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Resolution 511 McCain born to American citizens (PLURAL) ^

Posted on 01/28/2012 12:58:05 PM PST by rocco55

In 2008, the Senate passed a bill by unanimous consent declaring John McCain to be a "natural born citizen" and thus eligible to run for President. Ironically, this bill was co-sponsored by both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.

Below is the full text of the resolution. Third paragraph from bottom refers to prior presidents born "outside the US" being eligible for the office. However, it is my understanding that this applied to only one individual (Chester Alan Arthur ?) and his place of birth (still disputed) was not known at the time of his candidacy. I believe Leo Donofrio has submitted comprehensive narrative on this in the past.

Last two paragraph's address McCain's qualifications and it is to be noted that both parents (plural) were U.S. citizens.

Once the GA default judgment is issued and an appeal is made, the recalcitrant defendant and his staff of vipers will make a full blown effort to assemble the most vicious legal arsenal in history to target and rebut ALL antiquated references. In a day when most supporting evidence being submitted for clarifying the meaning of "natural born citizen" predates 1900, it may behoove us to consider more current documentation to make a case and defend the truth.

Here is full text of Resolution 511: ---------------------------------------------------------

S. Res. 511

Whereas the Constitution of the United States requires that, to be eligible for the Office of the President, a person must be a "natural born Citizen" of the United States;

Whereas the term "natural born Citizen", as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is not defined in the Constitution of the United States;

Whereas there is no evidence of the intention of the Framers or any Congress to limit the constitutional rights of children born to Americans serving in the military nor to prevent those children from serving as their country's President;

Whereas such limitations would be inconsistent with the purpose and intent of the "natural born Citizen" clause of the Constitution of the United States, as evidenced by the First Congress's own statute defining the term "natural born Citizen";

Whereas the well-being of all citizens of the United States is preserved and enhanced by the men and women who are assigned to serve our country outside of our national borders;

Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President; and

Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a "natural born Citizen" under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.

TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; mccain; obama

1 posted on 01/28/2012 12:58:11 PM PST by rocco55
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To: rocco55

***Ironically, this bill was co-sponsored by both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.***

Not irony, but subterfuge. The place of birth was foremost on BO’s mind. He failed to understand the importance of parental US Citizenship.

As for Hillary - she must have been keeping her other card in reserve for a close call. Of course, the call never came.

2 posted on 01/28/2012 1:03:45 PM PST by sodpoodle ( Newt - God has tested him for a reason...... to celebrate life and embrace the future.)
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To: sodpoodle

Viewing it in that light, I believe you are dead-on with your evaluation !

3 posted on 01/28/2012 1:07:10 PM PST by rocco55
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To: rocco55

Yes...McCain is/was a Washington insider...he and others in the GOP are manning the garrison against the great unwashed (us).

The main thing, be it Obama or Romney, for the insiders is that the taxpayer gravey train continue for them and their K street buddies.

Sorry if this sounds cynical...but I think Gingrich, who knows where the insiders secrets are buried was our last hope.

Maybe Palin will run heading a third party, but I doubt it, she likely could not win anyway with the state media hating on her.

I think it’s over folks.

4 posted on 01/28/2012 1:13:17 PM PST by kjo
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To: rocco55
Over the years a lot of children have been born to American citizens serving overseas. The children are given birth certificates that indicate that they are American citizens from birth, having never shown any allegiance to a foreign government or potentate. They ARE citizens and may be Natural Born Citizens.

Hussein may have been born in Hawaii ( questionable) but even he does not dispute that his father was a foreigner, so he CANNOT be a natural born citizen.

5 posted on 01/28/2012 1:14:25 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: rocco55; sodpoodle; kjo; The Sons of Liberty

The last two days I’ve posted on a thread concerning the statutory citizenships of those born in Puerto Rico. Gov. Fortuno’s name is being bandied about as a potential VP candidate, but he is not a natural born citizen.

As it exists today, Puerto Rico is an unincorporated territory of the U.S.A. and the Constitution does not fully enfranchise US citizens residing in Puerto Rico.

See: U.S. Department of State. Foreign Affairs Manual: Volume 7 – Consular Affairs (7 FAM 1120) ‘,Acquisition of U.S. Nationality in U.S. Territories and Possessions.’, Pages 1–3.

Note: An unincorporated territory or outlying possession is a area over which the Constitution has not been expressly and fully extended by the Congress within the meaning of Article IV, Section 3 of the U.S.Constitution.

In other words, Puerto Ricans are U.S. citizens but not natural born citizens.

The Panama Canal Zone was an unincorporated territory. In 1901 the U.S. Supreme Court had ruled in Downes v. Bidwell that unincorporated territories are not the United States. On July 28, 1904, Controller of the Treasury Robert Tracewell stated: “While the general spirit and purpose of the Constitution is applicable to the zone, that domain is not a part of the United States within the full meaning of the Constitution and laws of the country.” Accordingly, the Supreme Court held in 1905 in Rasmussen v. United States that the full Constitution only applies for incorporated territories of the United States. Until the rulings in these so-called “Insular Cases”, children born of two U.S. citizens in the Canal Zone had been subject to the Naturalization Act of 1795, which granted statutory U.S. citizenship at birth. With the ruling of 1905 persons born in the Canal Zone only became U.S. nationals, not citizens. This no man’s land with regard to U.S. citizenship was perpetuated until Congress passed legislation in 1937, which corrected this deficiency. The law is now codified under title 8 section 1403. It not only grants statutory and declaratory born citizenship to those born in the Canal Zone after February 26, 1904, with at least one U.S. citizen parent, but also did so retroactively for all children born of at least one U.S. citizen in the Canal Zone before the law’s enactment.

Statutory citizenship requires a legal statute to determine citizenship. Natural born citizenship does not require a statute as it is natural law.

The Senate tried to change the U.S. Constitution via a Senate Resolution. The place is full of lawyers and all of them knew what they were doing was illegal, as the Constitution can only be changed or altered by the amendment process, period!

6 posted on 01/28/2012 1:31:51 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: rocco55

Awesome. This sets a precedent for when I decide to run. (Army brat born in (West) Germany)

7 posted on 01/28/2012 1:40:53 PM PST by brothers4thID (Death had to take him sleeping, else he would have put up a fight.)
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To: sodpoodle
Ah, yes, the infamous "Obama" insert.

“Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President;”

Golly, why would little bammy put that in on a resolution for McCain?

Why, why, why?

I suppose they were just being "good sports," right?



8 posted on 01/28/2012 1:59:03 PM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: rocco55

Approval by HC and BO should have been red flags of warning. Why no objection from Republicans?

Is there really a conspiracy that all parties are in on, but trying to fool us into thinking we have someone on our side? Or that there is a big difference in the two parties?

9 posted on 01/28/2012 2:05:12 PM PST by CPO retired
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To: CPO retired

There is no difference between the two and Mitt is so in the establishment he works for both sides out both sides of his mouth.

10 posted on 01/28/2012 2:58:20 PM PST by jcsjcm (This country was built on exceptionalism and individualism. In God we Trust - Laus Deo)
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To: phockthis

only an idiot would think a “Senate resolution” trumps our constitutional laws...

11 posted on 01/28/2012 3:09:50 PM PST by phockthis ( ...)
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To: brothers4thID

My son was born at Landstuhl (West) Germany while I was stationed at Ramstein AB. While he has always been a citizen and my wife and I are both citizens, I’m not convinced he qualifies as a “natural born” citizen.

12 posted on 01/28/2012 3:12:17 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: SatinDoll

Furthermore, McCain wasn’t even born in the PCZ he was born at the public hospital in Colon about 2km away from the Zone. The Naval hospital wasn’t built until a few years later.

13 posted on 01/28/2012 3:39:46 PM PST by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: phockthis
In our world (and the real world, to the extent it still exists), you're right, of course, but to the party elites and their cronies being given our tax dollars against modest amounts of work and product, these are shades of meaning to be rightly aligned at such places as SCOTUS as "sense of the Senate." Just as the nomination of Romey for the GOP Presidential slot would be taken as a "sense of the voting public" that Obama's party, Congress, and the Republicans all led by candidates in favor of the individual mandate, vis-a-vis health insurance. Their finger in the wind will cause the 4 jurists on the Left whether there's any reason to stick their necks out to call it unconstitutional when the some of the electorate and the other two branches of representative government have all spoken so affirmatively through their representatives about the issue. They may well simply be tempted to find the justification for all that in tea leaves rather than the TEA Party.

Such things weigh on the mind of the "Constitutional Bar" we're told by freeper (?) "David".

In like fashion, we see Obama and his party buds attempting to build a case for himself (/themselves) through the above-discussed Senate Resolution.

The way the media went after Orly after the 1/26 hearing and didn't ask any questions of the other two lawyer groups, who were complaining on the basis of "Two Citizen Parents" is, I believe, that Team Obama thinks it can win on that question, whereas Orly is all over Obama document fraudulence and yet able to be portrayed as a ditzy nutcase. But her issues, if heard in widespread fashion and as they find traction through the fact that so many of Barry's docs are actually fraudulent, has the better chance of doing Barry in.


14 posted on 01/30/2012 12:43:36 PM PST by holden
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