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Corrupting the Girl Scouts
Vanity | 29 January, 2012 | Self

Posted on 01/29/2012 8:39:26 AM PST by G Larry

It's time to resolve the problem at the top and quit picking on the kids, in hopes some vague message trickles up.

Are you among those upset with the Girl Scout promotion of Planned Parenthood and boys joining Girl Scout because parents nurture the confusion of a 7 year old?

There's been a recent campaign on the internet, to show those Girl Scouts just how upset we are by boycotting the annual drive to raise money for the Girl Scouts, buy refusing to buy their cookies.

After all, 90% of the proceeds go to the upper strata of Girl Scout Management. So, after all the brave posting, promoting the boycott, how many of you have actually been able to look into the eyes of those young Girl Scouts and turn them away?

Or maybe you're really committed and you've explained to them that they have corrupt adult management......?

We need a national campaign to replace Girl Scout management and policies. It's time to overcome the bullying of the ACLU and the anti-American, anti-Christian culture, seeking to destroy all that is right with America.

"Embracing individuality is our core value"

Let them know they need a new "core value"

Do you see anything here thats been watered down or changed in last 40 years?

"Try"???

Girl Scout Promise

On my honor, I will try:

To serve God and my country, To help people at all times, And to live by the Girl Scout Law.

Girl Scout Law

Iwill do my best to be: Honest and fair, Friendly and helpful, Considerate and caring, Courageous and strong, and Responsible for what I say and do, And to respect myself and others, Respect authority, Use resources wisely, Make the world a better place, and Be a sister to every Girl Scout.

Here is some contact information:

>http://www.girlscouts.org<

>http://www.girlscouts.org/help/contact_us.asp<

>http://www.girlscouts.org/contact/email.asp<

Girl Scouts of the USA 420 Fifth Avenue New York, New York 10018-2798


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Do you have thoughts on how best to reform the Girl Scout organization?
1 posted on 01/29/2012 8:39:30 AM PST by G Larry
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To: G Larry

my daughter begged to join this year, and I refused.
I won’t buy their cookies anymore.

I’m not too vocal about since, generally, people are not informed enough to understand there is a problem.

I have the same problem with the Susie Koman people.


2 posted on 01/29/2012 8:43:16 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: Scotswife

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3 posted on 01/29/2012 8:47:15 AM PST by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: G Larry

End it. Scatter the ashes.


4 posted on 01/29/2012 8:55:20 AM PST by Grunthor (I don't vote for Democrats, this includes Mitt Romney.)
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To: G Larry

I shall miss Thin Mints but since I need to drop between 40 and 60 lbs, I think I can manage.


5 posted on 01/29/2012 8:56:23 AM PST by Grunthor (I don't vote for Democrats, this includes Mitt Romney.)
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To: G Larry
Do you have thoughts on how best to reform the Girl Scout organization?

Yeah ... leave it. We pulled our girls out and signed them up with American Heritage Girls. It was perfect timing as our church had just started a new group. It is a Christian organization ... no PP involvement whatsoever.

AHGOnline

6 posted on 01/29/2012 9:00:59 AM PST by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: G Larry

Girl Scouts USA is corrupted by liberalism and is no place for girls.

http://www.americanclarion.com/2012/01/17/homosexual-war-on-christianity-continues-to-rage/


7 posted on 01/29/2012 9:03:47 AM PST by WXRGina (Further up and further in!)
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To: G Larry
Do you have thoughts on how best to reform the Girl Scout organization?

They are beyond hope. Twenty years they took "God" out of the promise, or rather allowed anyone to substitute whatever they want in place of God. A rock Star. A rock. Doesn't matter.

Just stop buying cookies, and don't support them. It is a business and a political organization right now.

8 posted on 01/29/2012 9:04:19 AM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: G Larry
Refusing to buy cookies, unfortunately, hurts the girls and the local troops.

Girl Scouts give the girls so many opportunities and experiences that they would not otherwise have. Cookie sales, magazine sales and dues are the only money they have to work with. Even something as basic as the cookie sale teaches the girls that you get rewarded for hard work. Much of that money goes into service projects (gifts/treats/visits to less fortunate). The leaders, chaperones, etc. are all volunteers. They invest many hours in teaching these girls.

Trying to punish the organization by withholding from the individual girls is not sending a positive message to these girls and Girl Scouts is for the girls.

9 posted on 01/29/2012 9:06:28 AM PST by Abby4116
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To: G Larry

When I was a child, the Girl Scouts met in my church and were a positive experience for any girl involved. When my daughter was in a troop about ten years ago from the materials being distributed from the national level, I felt something wasn’t right. Since then I have found that the organization has been hopelessly corrupted. It is like days old milk, sour and unusable. The Girl Scouts are beyond saving. If you love your daughter, don’t let her join.


10 posted on 01/29/2012 9:08:30 AM PST by Essie
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To: Grunthor

Dollar General sells a generic “thin mint” version (Clover Valley), that is at least as good, for MUCH less (less than two bucks a box). They also sell the other GS cookies, Peanut Butter Fudge, etc. I believe the other dollar stores sell similar items, I cant vouch for those, but the Dollar General cookies are EXCELLENT!

Sorry to ruin your diet. ; )


11 posted on 01/29/2012 9:10:19 AM PST by ConservativeChris
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To: Abby4116

You can make a donation to the troop that you want to support specifically, without buying the darn cookies.

You could ask them if they have a specific need that they want funds for and help them in reaching that goal. If they were going to buy something that their troop was going to use, you could help them in purchasing that item. Or you could help fund a project or an outing that that troop was working towards.


12 posted on 01/29/2012 9:12:58 AM PST by Pan_Yans Wife ("Real solidarity means coming together for the common good."-Sarah Palin)
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To: G Larry

Sorry to let you know....once the cancer of Political Correctness enters into the soul of a business, organization or any group, the patent will soon become covered with pestilence and soon will be beyond saving.


13 posted on 01/29/2012 9:26:12 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
That's true. I buy the cookies but donate them to the troops - the girls get the credit and the troops get a treat.

Most of what is done at the troop level is at the leader's discretion. They are not required to follow a specific guideline. Guidelines are provided but the leader can pick and choose what she wants to use. Being under the umbrella of Girls Scouts provides insurance which is a big deal when you are working with/traveling with children.

14 posted on 01/29/2012 9:28:38 AM PST by Abby4116
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To: Abby4116; All
Trying to punish the organization by withholding from the individual girls is not sending a positive message to these girls and Girl Scouts is for the girls.

A cash donation could be made directly to the girls, in lieu of a cookie purchase, on the condition that the entire amount be kept and used locally by that troop.

Though most girls would not be immediately equipped to understand the ethical basis of this action, it would raise awareness and eventually questions among the girls.

Girls and their mothers have epiphanies, too.

15 posted on 01/29/2012 9:31:25 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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To: G Larry

Think of the fundamentals, then the strategy comes of its own.

Remove the “Lesbian communists” in charge of those girl scouts, which might as well be butch transvestite rapists hiding behind the “vagina perception”.

Making little girls grow too quickly in those “Girlscouts to madrassas for communist female pedophiles” is the most disgusting thing yet.

They ALL HIDE that it is not about “freedom of choice”, but about death, no choice, inquisition on your religion and why you are keepting that kid and not getting rid of it, tyranny and, worst of all, hypocriticaly harping about the right over one’s own body when it is about abusing the body and abusing powers.

This is all about the police state and the lawyer guilt psycho sister duo to abuse powers and swarm in death resignation incompetence so that the barbarians may overrun us and that they may keep their petrie dish of evilness going, on the one hand, and the cyber corrupting technology to send robots to peer behind our walls for continuous enforcement of evil ideologies.

Piercing the virgin veil of little girls is all the metaphore precedent of the attack on Girl Scout


16 posted on 01/29/2012 9:35:48 AM PST by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Abby4116

” Trying to punish the organization by withholding from the individual girls is not sending a positive message to these girls and Girl Scouts is for the girls. “

The way to deny power to Liberal Elites (who have apparently hijacked this once-fine organization) is to deprive them of impressionable followers...

The least painful way to accomplish this is to make ‘belonging’ unappealing...


17 posted on 01/29/2012 9:35:52 AM PST by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: Abby4116

You’re not hurting the girls, your doing them a favor! Starve them out and close them down, Girl Scouts are no place for girls any more.

Some of my favorite childhood memories are from being a GS, but it’s been infiltrated by liberal NAGS, baby-killers, and dirt-worshippers.

Walk away.


18 posted on 01/29/2012 9:36:07 AM PST by T Minus Four
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To: Abby4116
Refusing to buy cookies, unfortunately, hurts the girls and the local troops.

OK, so don't buy cookies and donate something exclusively to the local troop. Only about 10% of proceeds go to the local troop.

Perhaps the best thing would be for conservative locals to declare independence. Stop supporting the regional council with cookie sales. Organize your own outings with like-minded locals without involving the upper council. Starve the beast.

19 posted on 01/29/2012 9:40:16 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: Uncle Ike

Indeed, this is the liberal oxymoron of death.

Obama saying he wants to protect his daughter by allowing her to have infanticide...

How is that retarded to say?

And now the turning of children clubs into orgies that eat and kill those children...

These are monsters who are turning on little victims first and then turning these in clubs for their own consumption, with now and then a child allowed to grow as a mascot of their evil, a little retarded twit, making themselve feel good, right before they require their demented alzeimer care.

Ah. Fat chance.

If there ever was a liberal oxymoron, it is the allowing of killing of children at the girl scouts in the name of keeping a children business going. It’s the reverse child shield issue faced by soldiers when confronting terrorists using hostages.


20 posted on 01/29/2012 9:41:50 AM PST by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Abby4116
Refusing to buy cookies, unfortunately, hurts the girls and the local troops.

Not really. Local troops only receive about 10% of the proceeds. The rest trickles up towards the national level

21 posted on 01/29/2012 9:44:43 AM PST by Focault's Pendulum
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To: Abby4116

You’re not hurting the girls, your doing them a favor! Starve them out and close them down, Girl Scouts are no place for girls any more.

Some of my favorite childhood memories are from being a GS, but it’s been infiltrated by liberal NAGS, baby-killers, and dirt-worshippers.

Walk away.


22 posted on 01/29/2012 9:46:12 AM PST by T Minus Four
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To: T Minus Four
Should I tell this to my daughter who has been a leader for 8 years? Or to my 3 granddaughters who are Girl Scouts.

This same daughter is also a Sunday School teacher - a born-again Christian in a fundamentalist church. Do you really think that she is teaching her girls anything immoral?

And, no, keeping the girls out of scouts is not doing them a "favor". These girls are still getting the same things from scouting that you and I got as girls. If anything, the troops have become more service project oriented so they are getting more.

23 posted on 01/29/2012 9:46:27 AM PST by Abby4116
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To: JudgemAll
Remove the “Lesbian communists” in charge of those girl scouts, which might as well be butch transvestite rapists hiding behind the “vagina perception”.

I once was told that without the lesbians, the upper organization couldn't operate. What appears to have happened is that lesbian/leftists were willing to work cheap in exchange for being in an accepting organization where they would be working with other women and girls, and could further their ideological agenda.

That's the vulnerability of "non-profit" organization -- they look for people willing to work cheap, and what they get are ideologues determined to take over.

24 posted on 01/29/2012 9:46:38 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: Abby4116

“Refusing to buy cookies, unfortunately, hurts the girls and the local troops.”

It, fortunately, saves lives of unborn children and I haven’t bought anything from the GSA in years because of it.


25 posted on 01/29/2012 9:49:22 AM PST by stanne
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To: G Larry

Girl Scouts are in line with what is going on in our public schools.

The only thing that can save us is to get right with God.


26 posted on 01/29/2012 9:52:50 AM PST by donna (This is what happens when America is no longer a Christian nation.)
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To: Abby4116

“Most of what is done at the troop level is at the leader’s discretion”

Wrong, GSA central takes a cut of all proceeds. The only way out of that is for the group to call itself something else. Heritage, Little Flowers are two examples., please
GSA requires all who fall under their umbrella to read liberal feminist literature, as well.

Parents beware!


27 posted on 01/29/2012 9:53:13 AM PST by stanne
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To: PapaBear3625

Yes, that philantropist business model is quite abused by greedy incompetent people. Almost like a political good looks or money laundering scheme.. It’s bad.

In Practice vs. business sense, an investment should be about the product. Why businesses who know how to invest in a product err and give away their moneys in philantropy in manners that opposes the very successful manners of good all around business?

PR and guilt for what?


28 posted on 01/29/2012 9:53:30 AM PST by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Abby4116

If the girls and mothers in each GS troop keep receiving the same message that the public is not going to support their organization because of how corrupt it is then this might force some change at the top by the collective outcry of the GS troops. I doubt any changes would be anything meaningful and long lasting.

Best to stop feeding the beast and let it die a death like the Dinosaur Leftist Media.

Maybe we could have a Girl Scout Deathwatch(TM) thread started.


29 posted on 01/29/2012 9:54:53 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Abby4116

I always check out my childrens’ moral advisors and religion teachers. It is ultimately my responsibility. Large organizations are full of people and people can behave in ways counter to what their organizations promote.

When a catholic schoool houses a GSA group and I tell the pasotr to beware, he can either listen to me or find out later, it’s up to him. It’s up to me to realize what my children are learning, not him.

GSA promotes abortion. People can cloak it in green velvet, but the girls have been unprotected by their parents on this.


30 posted on 01/29/2012 10:01:22 AM PST by stanne
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To: Abby4116

I always check out my childrens’ moral advisors and religion teachers. It is ultimately my responsibility. Large organizations are full of people and people can behave in ways counter to what their organizations promote.

When a catholic schoool houses a GSA group and I tell the pasotr to beware, he can either listen to me or find out later, it’s up to him. It’s up to me to realize what my children are learning, not him.

GSA promotes abortion. People can cloak it in green velvet, but the girls have been unprotected by their parents on this.


31 posted on 01/29/2012 10:01:31 AM PST by stanne
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To: Abby4116

How do people get elected/appointed to the regional councils? Is it a top-down power structure, or do local troops have a vote? Perhaps the Girl Scouts need a Tea Party phenomenon.


32 posted on 01/29/2012 10:02:07 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: Abby4116

You can keep your daughters there, but know the situation is fluid and that they could become hostage one day.

It’s like when the new school teacher comes in and everyone welcomes her, and then everyone does not find out but too late that she is subverting the parents.

As for the fear of them growing up too quickly to the realities of corruption in school, it’s a tough thing as a parent. What do you do? Teach them yourself about sex early, burdening them and looking bad to the risk of CPS going after you, or let the perv. schools do it?

Yeah, this is a hostage situation of damn if you do, damn if you do not.

The key is to give the child the chance to grow in a structured way, answer questions, with a chance to survive the event and dominate/lead instead of being dominated and being subservient in the perceptions.

I could send my daughter to a bad chapter of girlscouts, but with the expressed pride that she too can make her own decision and not to have to follow the herd and the herd maker. It’s there for her and not the other way around, and she is a member of the scouts just as her scout leader is.

Perception games like these are important to teach them before they have to face future institutions and bosses and ideas, so they do not get impressed by them.


33 posted on 01/29/2012 10:04:02 AM PST by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: PapaBear3625

They method is to gradually gain control of boards of directors and then select executive directors and then gradually revise policy till the desired end is reached.

there are hundreds of such take overs including main stream protestant churches.

The control is such that only a revolution and complete scouring of all organizations will cleanse the nation of the liberal filth.


34 posted on 01/29/2012 10:13:56 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: Abby4116
The girl scout troop gets less than 10% of the cookie sales. The lesbo’s that run the evil group get the lions share of the money to spread their evil agenda.
35 posted on 01/29/2012 10:26:45 AM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: PapaBear3625
As far as I know, councils and upwards are "professionals", paid employees. I have no idea how that works.

At the local level it is all volunteers. There is no voting.

36 posted on 01/29/2012 10:30:31 AM PST by Abby4116
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To: Abby4116; Pan_Yans Wife
I second Pan_Yans Wife.

Yesterday a Girl Scout, her mother, father, and brother approached my door. They asked if I wanted to buy cookies. I asked if I could make a donation instead. They told me I could donate and cookies would be bought for the troops overseas (having been deployed to Iraq, I contemplated this momentarily).

I told the mother, I didn't support the views and agenda of the upper management of the Girl Scouts. I didn't want the girls to suffer, I know they used the money for their activities...I wanted the money to go directly to them and could I donate to the troop without the money going higher.

I didn't go into the details as to why I didn't support the higher echelons (I didn't think it was appropriate in front of small children). The mother looked at me like I was from outer space; she obviously had no idea what I could be possibly talking about. I think she also found it odd I didn't want anything in return for my donation.

However, she stated that, yes, I could donate directly to the girls. I donated $15 for which they said thank you and left.

There is another lesson that can be learned here by the girls....not compromising your values, not punishing the innocent, and the kindness of strangers.

Perhaps the mother will investigate further as to what I could be talking about and move her daughter to an alternative organization; perhaps not.

37 posted on 01/29/2012 10:33:49 AM PST by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: G Larry
After all, 90% of the proceeds go to the upper strata of Girl Scout Management. So, after all the brave posting, promoting the boycott, how many of you have actually been able to look into the eyes of those young Girl Scouts and turn them away?

Count me as one...No actually, it was the girl's father...Girl Scouts don't sell cookies...Their parents do...I know...Been there, done that...

38 posted on 01/29/2012 10:47:34 AM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: G Larry

Nice try, but there’s no other way but to hit them in the pocketbook, because that’s all secular leftists will respond to.

In today’s America silent prayer on public property near an abortion mill gets you close to being in trouble with the law. The homosexual mafia has all legal avenues of redress blocked so the only option left is money.

But I bet you already know that.


39 posted on 01/29/2012 11:40:33 AM PST by MichaelCorleone (Stop feeding the beast; only spend money with establishments that share traditional American values.)
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To: JudgemAll; little jeremiah
Good rant. Keep it up. Liberals absolutely do not respect anyone who disagrees with them, and they have a 100-year track record of conscripting and indoctrinating kids.
40 posted on 01/29/2012 12:20:27 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Abby4116

“Even something as basic as the cookie sale teaches the girls that you get rewarded for hard work”

If “hard work” means giving the order sheet to Mom or Dad so they can take it in to work to shake down their co-workers, then I guess that’s the lesson they are learning. Thst’s how the Scouts sell cookies in my neck of the woods.

I don’t buy cookies that way. Every once in a GREAT GREAT GREAT while a Girl Scout will come to my door to sell cookies and I will buy from her. I love me some Samoas.


41 posted on 01/29/2012 1:57:30 PM PST by mrs. a (It's a short life but a merry one...)
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To: Repeat Offender; mrs. a
Yes, a donation to the troop is a great alternative and actually gives the troop a lot more money than buying the cookies.

We always had "cookie booths" - outside of local businesses. The girls that participated in manning the booth got to split the total boxes of the day's sales. So it wasn't just mom and dad selling at work.

I don't agree with Girl Scouts being involved with PP. I have no idea how it can be changed. But, I do see how the local kids and their leaders work at making scouting a good experience and don't want them to get hurt in order to strike back at the upper levels.

42 posted on 01/29/2012 2:32:26 PM PST by Abby4116
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Supporting or taking part in the GS is aiding and abetting leftism, in particular homosexualism and abortion. The GS are now an official arm of the immoral Left and their assault on the innocence of children.

43 posted on 01/29/2012 3:11:39 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell)
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To: Scotswife

oh I ma vocal to the parents.
I don’t say anything to the little girls as little girls should be with dolls, playing and having a good time at their age.

However the parents do hear form me about it but I put it in a nice way and respectful way.

As for some who say they boycott but don’t , well it is fact and sad.
If conservatives did what the left has been doing then we would have stopped this agenda years ago and forced companies, group;ps, churches to never allow this homosexual agenda get promoted

It is time for all conservatives and all freepers who stand fir,m and to get he message out, the likes of Hannity will never talk about social issues as he has no problem with the homosexual agenda and therefore he and some others are a fraud


44 posted on 01/29/2012 4:29:51 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman.Trolls get a life, I HATE OUR BIASED LIBERAL MEDIA.)
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To: Scotswife

oh I ma vocal to the parents.
I don’t say anything to the little girls as little girls should be with dolls, playing and having a good time at their age.

However the parents do hear form me about it but I put it in a nice way and respectful way.

As for some who say they boycott but don’t , well it is fact and sad.
If conservatives did what the left has been doing then we would have stopped this agenda years ago and forced companies, group;ps, churches to never allow this homosexual agenda get promoted

It is time for all conservatives and all freepers who stand fir,m and to get he message out, the likes of Hannity will never talk about social issues as he has no problem with the homosexual agenda and therefore he and some others are a fraud


45 posted on 01/29/2012 4:56:41 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman.Trolls get a life, I HATE OUR BIASED LIBERAL MEDIA.)
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To: manc
If conservatives did what the left has been doing then we would have stopped this agenda years ago and forced companies, group;ps, churches to never allow this homosexual agenda get promoted

WELL SAID!

46 posted on 01/29/2012 7:15:17 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell)
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To: Scotswife; manc

There are several other girl scout type organizations - Campfire Girls, Heritage Girls and I think a couple more. Manc was looking into one of them for his daughter.


47 posted on 01/29/2012 8:26:46 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell)
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To: Abby4116

Well I’m sure there are still some hold-out troops. Good for them, but look at the organization as a whole. Our church went to Royal Rangers for the boys and Mpact Girls’ Club. These are Christ-centered clubs.


48 posted on 01/29/2012 8:40:56 PM PST by T Minus Four
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To: Abby4116

I’m sure there are “good” planned parenthood chapters that don’t actually perform abortions and just do mammograms and birth-control pills for low income women. I’ll still be damned if I’ll buy their cookies, even if they sell Samoas.


49 posted on 01/29/2012 8:49:27 PM PST by T Minus Four
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To: G Larry

Sorry sweetheart, I cannot buy your cookies. Yes, it is true that I give the Boy Scouts over $1000 every year, but the people that run the Boy Scouts are not the same kind of people that now run the Girl Scouts.

The Girl Scouts national leadership has been taken over by some of the most evil kinds of people on Earth. They are people at war with Christianity, Family Values, and Liberty. They support Socialism, sexual perversion, and killing babies. They like to use politically correct terms for these things, like Progress, Gay Rights, and Planned Parenthood.

None of these things have any business being part of the National Agenda of the Girl Scouts, but evil wins when good people don’t fight it. Some will tell you that you shouldn’t concern yourself with such things. Guess who they want to hide behind and which side of the issues they are on...

I cannot and will not support such evil, and you should not either, nor should you let them hide behind your innocence. There are other groups you can join, that are not controlled by such evil people.


50 posted on 01/30/2012 1:08:11 PM PST by EasySt (2012... Sometimes you have to flush twice.)
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