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The Forever Dog -- Dog breeds were created by human beings. The village dog created itself
National Geographic ^ | February 2012 | Evan Ratliff

Posted on 01/30/2012 7:20:14 PM PST by SunkenCiv

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To: dmz

Someone stole my black lab and my black and tan coonhound when I was working nights once, I’m still heartbroken.

Biblically, the earth is less then 10,000 years old.

I will probably go Rhodesian for my next dog, they aren’t as likely probably to let someone steal them.


51 posted on 01/31/2012 5:24:19 PM PST by Bulwyf
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Thanks pops88.


52 posted on 01/31/2012 5:59:57 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: muawiyah; blam; SunkenCiv; no-to-illegals; All

An on a related topic, something is driving primative villagers out of the jungle in Amazon Peru. Wonder if they have dogs? I have heard that the Mexican Hairless was bred that way for eating purposes, and my husband reported dog eating as common in Korea at the time of Korean War.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/31/peru-mashco-piro-tribe_n_1244204.html?ncid=webmail5


53 posted on 01/31/2012 8:15:31 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: muawiyah; blam; SunkenCiv; no-to-illegals; All

An on a related topic, something is driving primative villagers out of the jungle in Amazon Peru. Wonder if they have dogs? I have heard that the Mexican Hairless was bred that way for eating purposes, and my husband reported dog eating as common in Korea at the time of Korean War.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/31/peru-mashco-piro-tribe_n_1244204.html?ncid=webmail5


54 posted on 01/31/2012 8:17:11 PM PST by gleeaikin
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It is entirely possible that dogs are much older. There were undoubtedly hominid village or cave communities before the start of the last Ice Age about 125,000 years ago which was futher deepened by Toba 74,000 ya. The advancement of hominids was undoubtedfully significantly set back by this and only began to recover about 50,000 years ago. So with many fewer humans, any semi-dogs would probably have reverted to their wolf ancestry until hominids again had some population groups living together.


55 posted on 01/31/2012 8:23:11 PM PST by gleeaikin
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They want more pots and machettes.


56 posted on 01/31/2012 8:46:28 PM PST by blam
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The last glacial period lasted the normal number of years ~ just over 100,000 ~ and the peak period for ice was about 20,000 years ago. 14,000 years ago it melted like crazy. Then, 11,000 years ago arctic conditions returned to the Northern Hemisphere until 9,500 years ago.

The ocean continued to rise until about 8,500 years ago.

Whatever Toba did, the effect was not permanent ~ I think the reference to a cooling period then has to do with the interruption of an "interstadial" (warm period of less than 10,000 years) with a return to increasing ice.

Remember, there are 21 major glacial periods that recur at regular periods (two different frequencies ~ the first half has shorter ice ages, the second half has longer ice ages, with interstadials). This runs back 2.5 million years in the Northern hemisphere, 7.0 million in the Southern hemisphere, and maybe 500 million in central Antarctica ~ there's an entire mountain range at least that old that's been encased in ice since it formed.

Dogs are obviously a temperate and subarctic zone animal. They are tough. Consequently they would have encountered human beings at an early time ~ Euro/Chinese Cro-Magon advances into subarctic zones began about 75,000 years back. There men and dogs survive much better if they cooperate than if they compete.

There may well have been an interstadial 25,000 years earlier than that period which would have allowed humans and dogs to move to a subarctic region (40 degrees North perhaps ~ at that time) and to have begun to interact ~ first at a top end social level ~ and then on a personal level.

Remember, the dog's jaw is shorter than that of the wolf. That's what makes them acceptable in human company. Dogs also love being scritched. Only people can do that.

57 posted on 02/01/2012 7:03:50 AM PST by muawiyah
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