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Police Say Man Shot Himself 4 Times In The Head During Tulsa Standoff
KOTV Channel 6 Tulsa ^ | Lori Fullbright

Posted on 01/31/2012 5:07:01 PM PST by OKSooner

TULSA, Oklahoma - An autopsy reveals a strange but true case of a man dead after shooting himself four times in the head.

Police say Terrence Moses kidnapped his ex-wife last Wednesday, then got into an eight-hour standoff with Tulsa police.

The Special Operations Team rescued the woman, but then say they found Moses dead.

Police realize how unbelievable it sounds that a man could shoot himself four times in the head, but they say the crime scene evidence proves that's exactly what happened.

Police say Terrance Moses got into an argument with his ex-wife last Wednesday, and she later told her family he was holding her at gunpoint.

Officers found them at 2 a.m. on Thursday in his condo at the Brandy Chase Condominiums near 67th and Peoria.

After hours of negotiations, SOT members made entry. They heard a woman screaming and gunshots, then saw her coming down the stairs and rescued her.

01/26/2012 Related Story: Tulsa Police: Standoff Over, Suspect Found Dead Inside Condo

The police department says no officers returned fire because they couldn't see who was shooting a floor above them.

"I can't think of anything worse than when a suspect is above them in an enclosed area," said Tulsa Police Sergeant Dave Walker.

Police sent in a robot around 10:30 a.m. and cameras showed Moses was dead. He had one shot to the chest and four to the head.

Police say the ex-wife might've been trying to wrestle the gun away from Moses when he accidentally shot himself in the chest. As for the next four shots, they say he did those on his own.

Police say he first shot himself under the chin. That bullet exited his face and went into the ceiling. They say he did that twice more with the same result. Then a fourth shot entered his neck, severed his spinal cord and killed him.

"I know it's kind of unusual that we say somebody committed suicide, killed himself by shooting himself four times in the head. I would wince at that too, but if you look at it, line up the holes where he was shot, you can see how that happened," Walker said.

Sergeant Walker says Moses had a Walther 380 and a Springfield Armory .40 caliber and fired them both. Tulsa officers carry .40 caliber Glocks. Sergeant Walker says all Moses' shots were accounted for.

"There's really nothing to hide in this whole thing. We wouldn't hide anything anyway. It's a sad story for him, sad for somebody's life to end that way, but it happens," Walker said.

The medical examiner says Moses died from gunshot wounds but hasn't ruled it suicide yet. They are doing additional testing and measuring plus any toxicology reports would take weeks to get back.

Police say Moses' ex-wife has been interviewed and is not a suspect of any kind in this case.


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1 posted on 01/31/2012 5:07:06 PM PST by OKSooner
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To: OKSooner

Special Operations Team, huh?

You know I have a funny feeling that DOGS will soon start doing this, also.

Ya know?


2 posted on 01/31/2012 5:08:45 PM PST by gaijin
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To: OKSooner
An autopsy reveals a strange but true case of a man dead after shooting himself four times in the head.

More range time...

3 posted on 01/31/2012 5:08:57 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Spoiler Alert! The secret to Terra Nova: THEY ARE ALL DEAD!!!)
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To: OKSooner

Police say the ex-wife might’ve been trying to wrestle the gun away from Moses when he accidentally shot himself in the chest. As for the next four shots, they say he did those on his own.

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Bull cheese. If the cops are buying this woman’s story - then I need to see them about a bridge in Brooklyn I’m trying to sell.


4 posted on 01/31/2012 5:10:43 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (Newt or else. What part of "Join or Die" don't you understand?)
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To: OKSooner
Quite the most determined case of suicide I've ever seen!

Etiam non princeps sed usque ad genua, Principis Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name.

5 posted on 01/31/2012 5:13:27 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: OKSooner

Unless he was holding a machine gun, I don’t see how this can happen. Forensics would prove the angle of the entry wounds. If an ME ever came to me and said “He shot himself in the head four times”, my reply would be “Try again”.


6 posted on 01/31/2012 5:13:44 PM PST by OrangeHoof (Obama: The Dr. Kevorkian of the American economy.)
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To: freedumb2003

Funny, that is the first thought that jumped into my mind after reading the headline.


7 posted on 01/31/2012 5:15:26 PM PST by Jagdgewehr (It will take blood.)
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To: freedumb2003

I was going to say “bad shot”....more range time will do..


8 posted on 01/31/2012 5:15:30 PM PST by goat granny
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To: OKSooner

He’s definitely two-upped Vince Foster and all those other victims of Arkancides who used to shoot themselves two times in the head behind their left ear using their right hand!


9 posted on 01/31/2012 5:17:14 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: OrangeHoof

***try again LOL*** or better do another autopsy, this time on the right cadaver..


10 posted on 01/31/2012 5:17:45 PM PST by goat granny
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To: OKSooner

“Man Shot Himself 3 Times In the Head and Lives. The Fourth Shot Killed Him” That is how I would have writtent the headline.


11 posted on 01/31/2012 5:18:15 PM PST by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: OKSooner

He was determined


12 posted on 01/31/2012 5:18:45 PM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: OKSooner
The Beretta 93R is a slicked up version of the M92 that has a three shot burst setting. I could fathom three self inflicted rounds with one of those, but four?

Things that make you go, "Hmmmmmmmmmm....."

13 posted on 01/31/2012 5:19:09 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: OKSooner
first shot himself under the chin. That bullet exited his face and went into the ceiling. They say he did that twice more with the same result.

It just must not have been his time to die.

Then a fourth shot entered his neck, severed his spinal cord and killed him.

Oops, guess it was.

14 posted on 01/31/2012 5:20:27 PM PST by Michael.SF. (When you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras.)
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To: OKSooner
I once tended to a dog that had been run over and then shot twice in the head. First bullet went between the mandibular bones and exited the mouth, missing the tongue. The second bullet went through the lateral canthus of the eye and exited just above the ramus. The owners, knowing they had botched the euthanasia, then called me and asked me to save the dog. She did fine. There was a little ataxia (staggering) because of the concussion from the auto and both bullet wounds took about five sutures total.

IMO the odds of a person botching a suicide are pretty good.

15 posted on 01/31/2012 5:21:03 PM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: OKSooner

Talk about hard headed!


16 posted on 01/31/2012 5:21:04 PM PST by FishinTX (Annoy liberals, VOTE NEWT.)
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To: OKSooner

He should have stuck a 12 gauge in his mouth. Works every time.

Of course you get a closed casket.


17 posted on 01/31/2012 5:21:25 PM PST by Venturer
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To: OrangeHoof

I’m actually buyin’ it. Sometimes the truth is just so weird it just has to be true.

Damn, though.... Up through the chin and out the face? That -really- had to hurt.


18 posted on 01/31/2012 5:21:37 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I'd give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: OKSooner

This story gives a whole new meaning to HOLY MOSES! 4 holes in this case...


19 posted on 01/31/2012 5:21:43 PM PST by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks!)
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To: OKSooner

20 posted on 01/31/2012 5:23:26 PM PST by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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To: OKSooner

We enter this into the defense, your honor.


21 posted on 01/31/2012 5:25:58 PM PST by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: ConorMacNessa
"most determined case of suicide I've ever seen"

Perhaps my most favorite Gahan Wilson cartoon: a meat grinder clamped on the edge of a table with gore below and just an arm sticking up from the feed hopper, bent back down at the elbow, ripping the handle and two detective types standing there delivering the punchline.

22 posted on 01/31/2012 5:31:17 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Limbaugh: Tim Tebow miracle: "He had atheists praying to God that he would lose.")
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To: OKSooner

Damned over-achiever.


23 posted on 01/31/2012 5:31:26 PM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: OKSooner; fieldmarshaldj; Impy; GOPsterinMA

He must have terrible aim.


24 posted on 01/31/2012 5:31:41 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (A chameleon belongs in a pet store, not the White House)
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To: Ramius
Up through the chin and out the face? That -really- had to hurt.

One of my nieces (who is a respiratory therapist) told me of the case in which this teenage boy placed a 12-gauge under his chin and pulled the trigger. The shot removed his face but didn't kill him. Now, he is going to spend the next 50-60 years in a hospital, with no eyes, no mouth (they made one for him), etc.

If he really wanted to kill himself, he should have placed the barrel in his mouth and aimed slightly downard to destroy the reptilian brain. Works every time.

25 posted on 01/31/2012 5:33:52 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: Clintonfatigued; All

4 times? In the head?

Uh-huh...sounds like a case of Arkancide.


26 posted on 01/31/2012 5:34:07 PM PST by GOPsterinMA (Farewell sweet Rick, we barely knew ye...)
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To: Venturer

Actually, I used to know a guy in AA who stuck a 12 gauge in his mouth, pulled the trigger, and survived. Also stopped drinking.


27 posted on 01/31/2012 5:35:15 PM PST by hampdenkid
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To: Jack Hydrazine
He’s definitely two-upped Vince Foster and all those other victims of Arkancides who used to shoot themselves two times in the head behind their left ear using their right hand!

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28 posted on 01/31/2012 5:36:14 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati)
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To: freedumb2003

Many would say he was normal; it just comes from living in Tulsa!


29 posted on 01/31/2012 5:37:21 PM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: NonValueAdded
That's precisely what I was thinking of!

Etiam non princeps sed usque ad genua, Principis Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name.

30 posted on 01/31/2012 5:42:32 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: OKSooner
This guy has GOT to be related to Vince Foster, at least by marriage.
31 posted on 01/31/2012 5:43:40 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (FOREIGN AID: A transfer of money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries)
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To: OKSooner

Were they all different calibre?


32 posted on 01/31/2012 5:46:17 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: hampdenkid

If he stuck a shotgun in his mouth and it didnt kill him his mouth probably leaked out everything he tried to drink.

He probably stopped eating too.LOL


33 posted on 01/31/2012 5:51:34 PM PST by Venturer
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To: OKSooner

Must have had a big head and a very small brain.


34 posted on 01/31/2012 5:53:24 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: OrangeHoof

The police have nothing to hide in this case according to sergeant Walker. I guess they only hide things in other cases. The more the sergeant talks the more suspicious he makes me.


35 posted on 01/31/2012 5:55:11 PM PST by peeps36 (America is being destroyed by filthy traitors in the political establishment)
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To: OKSooner
Police say Terrence Moses kidnapped his ex-wife last Wednesday . . . Police say the ex-wife might've been trying to wrestle the gun away from Moses when he accidentally shot himself in the chest. As for the next four shots, they say he did those on his own.

I can understand how the ex-wife would see it that way, and I am glad that the police accept her account at face value. I'm just glad he didn't have to reload and shoot himself in the head six more times, although I would believe that story too with a kidnapping.

36 posted on 01/31/2012 6:07:22 PM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: OKSooner; mikrofon; martin_fierro

He kept saying, “Go DOWN, Moses!”


37 posted on 01/31/2012 6:10:15 PM PST by Charles Henrickson
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To: Venturer
Of course you get a closed casket.

But hey, you can buy the shorter model and save a couple bucks.

38 posted on 01/31/2012 6:13:02 PM PST by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: OKSooner
They heard a woman screaming and gunshots, then saw her coming down the stairs and RESCUED her.

i guess my definition of rescue and theirs, is vastly different...

39 posted on 01/31/2012 6:17:03 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: OKSooner

Just for general knowledge: Never try suicide by shooting yourself under the chin. Knew of one case where a guy shot off half his face with a shotgun under his chin—he lived, but spent the rest of his life eating thru a tube in his stomach. Take it from an ex-cop: If you want to really do it “eat your gun”—ie, put barrel in mouth facing slightly upward.


40 posted on 01/31/2012 6:17:15 PM PST by pankot
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To: OKSooner
Well, a friend of mine committed suicide by shooting himself in the head twice with a .22 rifle. Stuck the muzzle in his mouth and pulled trigger. When that didn't work, he pulled it again. Worked the second time. It was a real shock to us. We didn't know until afterwards that he'd been under considerable pressure a work.
41 posted on 01/31/2012 6:19:36 PM PST by JoeFromSidney (New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. A primer on armed revolt. Available form Amazon.)
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To: OKSooner

This reminds me of the story on this forum some time ago where the Saudi man claimed his wife shot herself in the back of the head by accident. No charges were filed in that case either.


42 posted on 01/31/2012 6:22:07 PM PST by dog breath
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To: OKSooner

Sounds like he shot himself with a “duckfoot” pistol.


43 posted on 01/31/2012 6:22:33 PM PST by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: Chode

“As for the next four shots, they say he did those on his own.”

I think the Jury would snicker at the lawyer for a comment like that.


44 posted on 01/31/2012 6:41:40 PM PST by Orange1998
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a Doctor friend of mine told me straight into the eye-socket... what the bullet doesn't do, the muzzle blast will turn the rest to mush
45 posted on 01/31/2012 6:51:40 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: OKSooner

If true, Mr. Moses needed more range time. If not true, the people who found the body need more range time.


46 posted on 01/31/2012 7:02:55 PM PST by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: vetvetdoug

It wasn’t that dogs time to die.

I can see how this might happen. I wonder which shots were from the .380 and which were from the .40 cal?


47 posted on 01/31/2012 7:18:21 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: OKSooner

If at first you don’t succeed...


48 posted on 01/31/2012 7:28:39 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: OKSooner

BS


49 posted on 01/31/2012 9:44:13 PM PST by Outlaw Woman (The 2nd Amendment IS my concealed carry permit)
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To: OKSooner

I would have given up after three.


50 posted on 02/01/2012 9:33:01 AM PST by DeepInTheHeartOfTexas
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