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VINTAGE COMPUTER QUESTIONS

Posted on 02/01/2012 8:20:48 PM PST by mamelukesabre

I am trying to find info on 3 different computers. First, the Compaq Desk Pro 386 of 1986...how much did it cost brand new when it was first hit the stores? Second, the same info for the HP Vectra 486 of 1990. And finally, what make of computer offered for sale the very first pentium I 60Mhz computer and what was the model name/number?


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1 posted on 02/01/2012 8:20:58 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

Google is your friend… my FRiend :-)


2 posted on 02/01/2012 8:22:16 PM PST by bksanders (Old Gets Older the Older I Get)
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To: mamelukesabre

good questions, I’ll check back later to see if anyone has the answers


3 posted on 02/01/2012 8:23:15 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: bksanders

I did that already. That’s why I’m here now. But thanks for your help anyway.


4 posted on 02/01/2012 8:23:44 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

I remember seeing on PCmag, that a 386 was selling for about $5,000.

I hope that helps.


5 posted on 02/01/2012 8:24:50 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: mamelukesabre

This site has a lot of archived computer advertisements.
http://www.aresluna.org/attached/computerhistory/ads/international/compaq

I bet you can find the specific models and some may have prices in the ads.


6 posted on 02/01/2012 8:26:10 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mamelukesabre
I am trying to find info on 3 different computers. First, the Compaq Desk Pro 386 of 1986...how much did it cost brand new when it was first hit the stores?

Computerworld of 29th September 1986 lists it at $6499.

7 posted on 02/01/2012 8:28:00 PM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: mamelukesabre

I was poor and way behind the technology curve when I bought my used Tandy 386SX with a 33mhz processor, 4MB of RAM and about 100MB of harddrive space. (Windows 3.1) I had to add a 33.6 modem and a sound card to get online. (the ISP felt my pain and send me a floppy with Netscape 1.22, it hadn’t come with a browser).... I think the Pentiums were just on the market. I remember seeing an external CD-burner on sale for something like $999 or the like. Amazing how that price dropped.

lol.


8 posted on 02/01/2012 8:28:58 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: naturalman1975; mamelukesabre

$6,499!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

how much is that in 2012 dollars?


9 posted on 02/01/2012 8:30:46 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: mamelukesabre
HP Vectra 486

Infoworld, 23rd April 1990, says $18,296.

10 posted on 02/01/2012 8:33:19 PM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975

Where are you getting these figures? I havn’t been able to find diddly on the internet.


11 posted on 02/01/2012 8:37:31 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre
And finally, what make of computer offered for sale the very first pentium I 60Mhz computer and what was the model name/number?

I know Gateway had a Pentium I at 60Mhz, my company got them for all electronic shops when they first came out. Don't know if it was the first though.

12 posted on 02/01/2012 8:38:24 PM PST by The Cajun (Palin, Free Republic, Mark Levin, Newt......Nuff said.)
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To: GeronL

I was using a third hand commodore colt(IBM PC copy) with an 8088 CPU and a 4th hand IBM monochrome amber monitor in the early 90s. It had a hard drive, floppy drive and modem, but couldn’t run windows. I used it for wordperfect and quattro pro.


13 posted on 02/01/2012 8:41:36 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: GeronL

My first Goldstar 286 pc had a 20 meg HD. Today that would fit about 4 mp3s. I paid $2000. :)


14 posted on 02/01/2012 8:42:02 PM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: GeronL

My first Goldstar 286 pc had a 20 meg HD. Today that would fit about 4 mp3s. I paid $2000. :)


15 posted on 02/01/2012 8:42:02 PM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: mamelukesabre
books.google.com Some of the older computer magazines are fully accessible on that.

HP Vectra 486 information.

Compaq Desk Pro 386

. I'm in Australia so the links are to the Australian version which I use by default for searches.

16 posted on 02/01/2012 8:42:02 PM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: mamelukesabre
Oh, when you said vintage, I thought you meant vintage, like the IBM Q-7 NORAD Sage computer that I was a maintenance man on for 7 years.


17 posted on 02/01/2012 8:44:23 PM PST by JaguarXKE
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To: mamelukesabre

Sorry - wrong link for the 486 Vectra

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=LTsEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PT13&dq=%22HP+Vectra+486%22+%22$18,296%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=7hEqT6GvJOr6mAXr5Mn0Dw&ved=0CDsQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22HP%20Vectra%20486%22%20%22%2418%2C296%22&f=false


18 posted on 02/01/2012 8:46:41 PM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: mamelukesabre

If it’s any help at all my 386 DX40 was about 1400 in 1991. A 486 SX36 2 years earlier would have probably been about 2500 to 3000.


19 posted on 02/01/2012 8:46:52 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: mamelukesabre

except for the brand name system, you’ll never get an answer. When I built my first system for my self (vs an 8086 at work) a 386 dx, the hard drive and memory were 30% of the price. a scsi card and 500mb drive were ~ $500 and the 1/2meg ram and everx 16bit card was another $500.

The first pc i played with a tandy trs-80 with 64k and duel 5.4” floppy (’78-79) was over $10k then.

Since my dad died just before turkey day, been thinking about trying to find his 4004 hexadecimal system.


20 posted on 02/01/2012 8:48:24 PM PST by waynesa98
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To: mamelukesabre

I worked for HP and was on the design team for the first Vectra, a 66mhz 486. I’m sure this was the first released. I still have one in the attic I think.


21 posted on 02/01/2012 8:48:59 PM PST by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: mamelukesabre
Oh. I thought you had old questions like, "what is the debug code in DOS 3 to low level format an ST225 with a Western Digital controller?" (answer in white 2 lines below)

g=c800:5

22 posted on 02/01/2012 8:51:16 PM PST by Poser (Cogito ergo Spam - I think, therefore I ham)
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To: blam; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ShadowAce; Swordmaker; martin_fierro

Osborne, Kaypro, Altair, not mentioned here.


23 posted on 02/01/2012 8:52:43 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: SunkenCiv

well....

Since you brought it up, what was the price of a fully outfitted Altair 8800BT with a hard drive, 8” floppy, keyboard, and functioning monitor? Brand new in 1979?


24 posted on 02/01/2012 8:56:51 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre
Try Google Books. Use the Advanced Book Search link to restrict the date range.
25 posted on 02/01/2012 8:58:13 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: babygene

It appears they went for $13.999 and up that first year they were sold. Do you happen to know how fast that price went down?


26 posted on 02/01/2012 8:58:39 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: SunkenCiv

27 posted on 02/01/2012 9:00:28 PM PST by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

My folks bought an Osborne running CP/M for their business in the mid 1980’s. They later upgraded to a Compaq luggable that would run DOS and the first two versions of Windows.


28 posted on 02/01/2012 9:07:09 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: mamelukesabre

“It appears they went for $13.999 and up that first year they were sold. Do you happen to know how fast that price went down?”

I’m not sure how fast they came down, but fast.

I had some big issues at the time with our product. First was that they deliberately didn’t use the standard mounting for the motherboard. The mounting holes were completely different than the industry standard at the time. Second; the power on signal from the power supply was inverted. It was done to keep people from upgrading. I thought that was stupid.

Everybody on the team ended up with a prototype for home use. I enjoyed it for a while... Then I moved on.


29 posted on 02/01/2012 9:09:36 PM PST by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: mamelukesabre
386 - $6499.00

Vectra 486 - $13,999


30 posted on 02/01/2012 9:18:36 PM PST by stylin19a (time to Obamanos)
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To: mamelukesabre

First machine I had was a Seequa Chameleon. It had a 5 mhz 8088, two floppies, but no hard drive. Back about 83. Cost was over $2000.

Actually, I had one of the Timex? Sinclair machines that you plugged into the TV and could write basic programs on. But with those, the only way you could save a program was to use an interface to a tape drive, like a cassette recorder, and it would save the program in tone bursts!

Old stuff...
Like me!

But I’ve been working with computers, Univac and IBM mainframes since 1975, so I practically always had access to one if I felt like doing some play-around programming.


31 posted on 02/01/2012 9:19:31 PM PST by djf (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2801220/posts)
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To: mamelukesabre; ez

lol.

I hear there are clubs keeping the Commodore 64 alive, writing software to get them online and all that. Talk about a strange hobby. :p


32 posted on 02/01/2012 9:19:31 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: rockrr

My dad bought a Osborn for his business.. dual floppies even. Had a daisy wheel printer.

The Osborn was one of the first laptop (if you didn’t mind a brick sitting on your lap) made.

I remember it was replaced with the original mac and a 10 meg hard drive. Dad paid 1700 for that used.


33 posted on 02/01/2012 9:23:02 PM PST by cableguymn (Good thing I am a conservative. Otherwise I would have to support Mittens like Republicans do.)
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To: GeronL

“I hear there are clubs keeping the Commodore 64 alive, writing software to get them online and all that. Talk about a strange hobby. :p”

Either clones of it have been made or there are plans to do so. This is a strange hobby, but for hard-core programmers, it is refreshing to get “close” to the hardware and make machines do amazing things with very little processing resources. I have a machine that reads and punches paper or mylar tape and runs software written in 1969, on an operating system that has a Y1980 bug!

There was a time when programming was a very demanding mental challenge. Modern computers cover up many inefficiencies in software design with raw speed and power, because that’s cheaper than hiring really good software developers! On the other hand, they have made programming more accessible to more people.


34 posted on 02/01/2012 9:33:36 PM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: djf

Not counting the Vic-20 I had in the early eighties, I never had a brand new computer until I bought an Acer with an AMD K6-II CPU circa 1999. After that I started building my own computers. For many years I had a used Packard Bell 486 DX-4 with tape backup, two hard drives, two floppy drives, and CDrom drive that I paid 1200 bucks for sans monitor sans keyboard sans mouse sans speakers sans software disks. It came with tons of software on it and no backups or books. I thought it was a steal.


35 posted on 02/01/2012 9:34:02 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

I bought a used machine from a friend I guess it was about 87. Since then, all the machines I’ve had, I’ve built myself, well, except for laptops. There’s a local place in South Seattle called RE-PC that sells old boards, drives, power supplies, cabinets, whatever.
I currently have two desktops, but only use one of those regular, and about 6 laptops. (I did some work at a company that would surplus their laptops as soon as the warranty passed. I’ve seen literally dumpsters full of laptops, most of which still worked fine!)


36 posted on 02/01/2012 9:43:50 PM PST by djf (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2801220/posts)
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To: mamelukesabre
I have an actual Computer Shopper from Nov. 1990. It is amazing to see how many vendors are no longer in business.

A typical 486 system was configured as follows:

486-25 MHz.
4 MB RAM
1.2 MB 5.25 FDD
1.44 MB FDD
150 MB HDD
16-bit VGA w/ 512KB
14” CRT Monitor (1024 x 768 capable)

All of that goodness above would set you back $5,000. Assuming a nominal rate of inflation, that computer would cost over $9,000 today.

37 posted on 02/01/2012 9:45:26 PM PST by 1553BC2RT
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To: mamelukesabre

Intel released the Pentium Processor on March 22 1993. The processor was a 60 MHz processor, incorporated 3.1 million transistors and sold for $878. The first Pentium microprocessor core was code-named “P5”. Its product code was 80501 (80500 for the earliest steppings). And there were actually two versions, specified to operate at 60 MHz and 66 MHz respectively. It also came with an unknown math bug in it, which was finally acknowledged by Intel in 1994 and they issued a recall. The Pentium chips included a floating-point unit (FPU) also know as a math coprocessor, while previous Intel CPUs did all their arithmetic using integers. I have been unable to confirm it, but I think it was the IBM PC and then adopted by the clones.


38 posted on 02/01/2012 9:55:05 PM PST by plaidness (Now that was way harder than I thought)
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To: GeronL
> how much is that in 2012 dollars?

A good way to find out is to go to

http://www.measuringworth.com

In 2010 (it takes a little while to get their data current), the relative value of $6500 from 1986 ranges from $11,500.00 to $21,200.00.

Methinks this would be a good thread for the GeezerGeek ping list.

39 posted on 02/01/2012 9:57:18 PM PST by ADemocratNoMore (Jeepers, Freepers, where'd 'ya get those sleepers?. Pj people, exposing old media's lies.)
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To: mamelukesabre

Yeah. Spent almost $6,000 for my self built 486DX 50Mhz rig (true intel not cyrix, AMD etc.) in the early 90s, had a whopping 340 MB HD. I was thinking “No way will I ever fill up 340 MB”. Funny how times change. Amazing to consider the beast you could build with 6K today.

CT


40 posted on 02/01/2012 10:18:57 PM PST by Carolina_Thor (It's always better to be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.)
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To: plaidness

IBM PC had an 8088 CPU and came out in the early 80s. So that’s not it.


41 posted on 02/01/2012 10:19:07 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: ADemocratNoMore

After reading this thread and the fact that I am in the process of building a new computer (specs below) and installing a home server, just goes to show what happens when the Federal Government stays out of the way.

New Computer

Intel I5 2500K CPU
AsRock Z98 Pro Gen2 Mother board
16 Gigs of PC1600 DDR3 Memory
ATI Radeon 6870 Video Card
318 Gigs of SSD Drives
3TB of Traditional Hard Drives
3 DVD-R Drives
27 In LED backighted Monitor

HP Proliant NL40 Server
3TB of Enterprise level hard drives
Cyberpower PFC UPS

And I am doing all of this for less than $2000.00


42 posted on 02/01/2012 10:24:58 PM PST by Wooly
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To: GeronL

“$6,499!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

how much is that in 2012 dollars?”

Well, to put it in perspective:

I bought a brand new car in 1986 for 4 bucks less than that.


43 posted on 02/01/2012 10:36:36 PM PST by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: mamelukesabre

Quattropro, that brings back memories. Anyone use Geoworks, the GUI that windows copied?


44 posted on 02/01/2012 10:43:24 PM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: babygene

Can we chat about the Jornada 680? Did you have any contact with that product line?


45 posted on 02/01/2012 10:47:28 PM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: rockrr; mamelukesabre

>>My folks bought an Osborne running CP/M for their business in the mid 1980’

My first computer:

April 1981 Adam Osborne introduces the Osborne 1 at the West Coast Computer Faire. Features Z80A cpu, 5” display, 64 Kb RAM, keyboard, keypad, modem, (2) 5.25 100 Kb floppy disk drives. Retail price of $1795. Only 24 pounds! Includes $1500 worth of software, including BASIC, CP/M, WordStar, and SuperCalc. Forecasted first year sales 10,000 units and sold that many in the first month

FROM: http://www.thepcmuseum.net/timeline.php


46 posted on 02/01/2012 11:32:23 PM PST by expat1000
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47 posted on 02/02/2012 4:33:10 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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48 posted on 02/02/2012 4:33:53 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: mamelukesabre

IIRC, my in laws had a HP Vectra 486 (which I later upgraded to a Pentium) and it was around $2800.


49 posted on 02/02/2012 4:47:43 AM PST by Born Conservative
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To: GeronL

$13,338 in 2011 dollars


50 posted on 02/02/2012 5:16:58 AM PST by Tribune7 (GAS WAS $1.85 per gallon on the day Obama was Inaugurated! - - freeper Gaffer)
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