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Mormon Numbers Not Adding Up
Religion Dispatches ^ | February 2, 2012 | Joanna Brooks

Posted on 02/03/2012 7:30:52 AM PST by C19fan

The ascendancy of Mormonism as a world religion once seemed inevitable. The year was 1984, and sociologist named Rodney Stark made a startling projection: the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints would grow to 267 million members by 2080.

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But new data suggests that Mormonism may no longer be (as it is often described) among the fastest growing faiths in the United States. Instead, American Mormons appear to be settling into the twenty-first century as a maturing minority having an increasingly hard time holding onto younger members.

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When internet literate younger members find out the truth they leave.
1 posted on 02/03/2012 7:30:55 AM PST by C19fan
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To: C19fan

Duh, only the gospel of grace can truely attrack and hold people (aka the Gospel of Jesus Christ according to the Bible)! J.S.


2 posted on 02/03/2012 7:32:50 AM PST by JSDude1 (NEWT 2012!)
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WHy doesn't Bishop Willard Mitt Romney use his title? What is he trying to hide?


Click to Donate to Newt Gingrich

3 posted on 02/03/2012 7:34:01 AM PST by hoosiermama (Stand with God: Newt, and Sarah will be right next to you.)
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To: Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; svcw; Zakeet; SkyPilot; rightazrain; Tennessee Nana; ...

ping


4 posted on 02/03/2012 7:35:28 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Romney seems like a creature put on Earth to blend in with the humans and report back what he finds.)
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To: C19fan

Thank God this bizarre cult is on the decline.


5 posted on 02/03/2012 7:36:53 AM PST by youngidiot (Hear Hear!)
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To: C19fan

Last numbers I read about, where 13 million world wide with only 5 million active members, a majority of those in the US.
As the internet continues to expose mormonISM with information, people will leave this cult.


6 posted on 02/03/2012 7:42:09 AM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen You up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: C19fan

The one true Catholic Church keeps growing, century after century, regardless of how many mistakes her fallible leaders make, no matter how much effort and energy Hitler, the Soviets, the godless dictators in France and Mexico and elsewhere, and the Henry VIII the butcher of England have expended trying to kill her off, Christ’s Bride, the Church, continues to thrive because despite her many flaws, she has preserved and shared and propagated Christ’s gospel and true Christian doctrine infallibly!

Amen.

Viva Cristo Rey!

AMDG


7 posted on 02/03/2012 7:44:53 AM PST by Notwithstanding (1998 ACU ratings: Newt=100%, Paul=88%, Santorum=84% [the last year all were in Congress])
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To: C19fan

This why the mormon church is for illegal immigration. The hispanics can be duped and they have a ton of children...


8 posted on 02/03/2012 7:50:05 AM PST by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: youngidiot

Mormons should be careful about what they hope for. Mitt Romney getting the Republican nomination will result in the nation getting a crash course in Mormonism. Unlike the propaganda coming from SLC, this will be the unvarnished truth of Mormonism which is not pretty. I think that the PR crises will come so quickly that the “church” won’t be able to respond to one before the next one hits like waves and waves from a tsunami.


9 posted on 02/03/2012 7:50:27 AM PST by CommerceComet (A vote for Romney is a vote for the GOP-E to euthanize Reaganism.)
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To: C19fan

Interesting. I had been wondering about that. Probably less convincement on the part of the young when they go out on their conversion missions. And the news from Salt Lake City often seems to be rather negative. Plus you’ve got guys like Dingy Harry showing that Mormons don’t seem to care who they vote for. They used to have a reputation for being honest political conservatives.

I don’t know how many people see through someone like Mitt, but I don’t think he has been helpful to the cause. The media pretend to defend his Mormonism, but in reality they are setting it up for questioning.


10 posted on 02/03/2012 7:50:38 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: C19fan

Less than 2% of the population, about the same as homosexuals.


11 posted on 02/03/2012 7:52:11 AM PST by grumpa
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To: C19fan
To futher cut into their numbers and $$$$.

Google: What businesses does the LDS own.

Do we continue to patronize them? Check it out.

12 posted on 02/03/2012 8:01:49 AM PST by annieokie
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To: C19fan
an increasingly hard time holding onto younger members.
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How well are Christian religions holding on to their youth? What are their stats?

The Barna Foundation reports that 85% of children from **highly** active evangelical homes who attend our nation's godless government schools are not active in their faith 2 years after graduation. Homeschooling evangelical children are just the opposite. Of homeschoolers 95% of evangelical children will be active in their faith 2 years after graduating.

Without know how well other religions are doing in retaining their youth, the statement about Mormons and their youth is meaningless. It is possible that in comparison to Christian and Jewish faiths, they may actually be doing fairly well in keep their children committed to the faith of their fathers.

13 posted on 02/03/2012 8:16:31 AM PST by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: CommerceComet

” I think that the PR crises will come so quickly that the “church” won’t be able to respond to one before the next one hits like waves and waves from a tsunami.”

The PR campaign started months ago with their “I’m a Mormon” TV ads and billboards. To say that wasn’t a coordinated effort with the Romney crowd would be disingenuous.


14 posted on 02/03/2012 8:19:46 AM PST by rickomatic
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To: C19fan

You’ll all be relieved to know that in the last year we have had three young adults who are friends of my daughters’ baptized, and they are very active in the church (they were bombarded with anti-mormon, but it just made them stronger in their decision!) Two more will be baptized in the very near future, and they are all very bright, amazing college students (and internet literate!) Two are converts from the Catholic church (as is my husband), one from Pentecostal (as am I), one from atheism, and one from no church. Happy Day!


15 posted on 02/03/2012 8:24:25 AM PST by republicanbred (...and when I die I'll be republican dead.)
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To: C19fan

I have posted this before, but here is some research I did on how the LDS have finessed their membership numbers. Also, if you don’t go through the name removal process (easier now but it used to be quite the problem), then they still count you as a member.

Actual numbers are hard to come by, since the LDS does not release the numbers of those who have left. Additionally, their convert numbers are not necessarily accurate since the report each April, the previous years numbers and by their own admission, convert retention rate past one year is less than 50%.

The 0% growth rate has been confirmed by someone in LDS headquaters, who stated that their only real growth is those born into the church.

There is also some question as to if those whose names are removed are still counted in the numbers, because their records are changed to “non-member” rather than destroyed.

Also, it has been said that “inactives” are not removed from the roles until after they would have been 110, regardless of date of death.

OTOH, Evangelical churches and ministries are reporting a large increase in those who are claiming to leave the LDS for a relationship with Jesus Christ. One Evangelical pastor I know in Utah states his congregation is almost 40% ex-LDS.

Other sites, like ex-mormon.org also show an increase in those leaving.

How the LDS finesses their numbers can be easily seen by how they have historically reported their membership numbers at General Conference.

They used to include number of deaths of members. They no longer do so.

They used to separate converts and BIC baptisms, they do not, which makes me question how many “converts” were actually Born LDS.

They used to have a separate category for the baptisms of “children of record”, that has disappeared. Some have speculated that they are now lumped together with converts.
Regarding the number of stakes/wards, I have read that they reorganize and consolidate stakes and call that a new stake. Also the numbers required for a ward/stake have decreased, so it looks like an increase. They have also closed a few missions (consolidated) but add the new mission to the old number.

The finessing of numbers has made it appear that the church is still growing, but outside sources tell another story, and now they are at least admitting it.

1974 -Statistical Report
http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&locale=0&sourceId=c57f61cb2b86b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD
Church Units
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Number of Stakes of Zion at the Close of 1974 675
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Number of Wards 4,756
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Number of Independent Branches in Stakes 1,195
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Total Wards and Independent Branches in Stakes at the Close of the Year 5,951
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Number of Mission Branches at the Close of the Year 1,822
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Number of Full-time Missions at the End of the Year 113
Church Membership, December 31, 1974
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In the Stakes 2,960,143
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In the Missions 425,766
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Total Membership 3,385,909
Church Growth During 1974
*
Children Blessed in Stakes and Missions 72,717
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Children of Record Baptized in Stakes and Missions 47,234
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Converts Baptized in Stakes and Missions 69,018

1985 - Statistical report
http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&locale=0&sourceId=81edef960417b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD
Church Units
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Number of stakes 1,582
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Number of districts 352
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Number of missions 188
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Number of wards 10,168
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Number of branches in stakes 2,766
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Number of branches in missions 2,071
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Number of sovereign countries with organized wards or branches 95
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Number of territories, colonies, and possessions with organized wards or branches 20
(These statistics reflect an increase of 75 stakes and 542 wards and branches during 1985.)
Church Membership
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Total membership at the close of 1985 5,920,000
Church Growth during 1985
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Increase in children of Record 95,000
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Children of record baptized 70,000
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Converts baptized 197,640

1996 - Statistical Report
http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&locale=0&sourceId=eda6dbdcc370c010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD
Church units
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Stakes 2,296
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Districts 671
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Missions 309
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Wards and branches 23,528
These wards and branches are in 140 nations and in 21 territories and possessions.
Church membership
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Total membership 9,694,549
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Eight-year-olds baptized during 1996 81,017
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Converts baptized during 1996 321,385

2007 - Statistical Report
http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&locale=0&sourceId=4ff1558fcc599110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD
Church Units
Stakes 2,790
Missions 348
Districts 618
Wards and Branches 27,827
Church Membership
Total Church Membership 13,193,999
Increase in Children of Record 93,698
Converts Baptized 279,218


16 posted on 02/03/2012 8:29:17 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, Now Christian - "I wasn't brainwashed, just brain pre-soaked.")
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To: blasater1960; Vendome

I have a friend whose son (LDS) just recived his “Mission Call” it is to Mexico, apparently it is the same mission that several of his friends also got sent to which is VERY VERY unusual, at least it used to be. Of his 8 friends recently ‘called’ 6 have been sent to Mexico (5 including him to the same mission), 1 to Jamaica, and only one to a US mission.

Vendome posted an interesting analysis of why the LDS church is focusing on illiterate nations.


17 posted on 02/03/2012 8:34:40 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, Now Christian - "I wasn't brainwashed, just brain pre-soaked.")
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To: republicanbred

Thanks for that info. I will pray their eyes will be opened and that they will leave Mormonism for a real relationship with Jesus Christ.

FWIW, convert retention rates are less than 50% by the two year mark.


18 posted on 02/03/2012 8:40:49 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, Now Christian - "I wasn't brainwashed, just brain pre-soaked.")
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To: republicanbred

Also, I was bombarded with ‘anti-Mormonism’ before I joined the LDS, and it made me more intent in my resolve to be a good and faithful Mormon.

It took a few years for me to realize that the ‘antis’ were the ones telling the truth, and that the LDS church was the one lying to me.

There is hope for them yet.


19 posted on 02/03/2012 8:42:35 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, Now Christian - "I wasn't brainwashed, just brain pre-soaked.")
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To: Notwithstanding
All the Pope needed to do to retain England as part of the Catholic world was allow Henry VIII to divorce his wife.

In the end the Pope's action encouraged both the English and the French and the Spanish, and finally, even the Italians and Germans to seek control over their own national churches. Schism in Spain was avoided when all the brotherhoods were allowed to provide missionaries to the New World.

It was over such minor issues that Rome lost so much for so long.

20 posted on 02/03/2012 8:57:15 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: grumpa
Less than 2% of the population, about the same as homosexuals.

I'm a MORMON ...
 
 
 

http://www.affirmation.org/

21 posted on 02/03/2012 9:06:03 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: CommerceComet

I think you are spot-on. If Romney gets the nomination, it will be their worst nightmare. You can bet that Obama, the Democrat party, and the MSM already have a well-laid out plan of attack — and they won’t even have to lie or use half-truths, the truth is so bizarre that it will be decimating to that church.


22 posted on 02/03/2012 9:07:10 AM PST by RedWhiteBlue (Mama tried)
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To: republicanbred

Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

23 posted on 02/03/2012 9:08:19 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: reaganaut
I will pray their eyes will be opened and that they will leave Mormonism for a real relationship with Jesus Christ.

 FREE KITTENS

A pretty little girl named Suzy was standing on the sidewalk in front of her home in Salt Lake City. Next to her was a basket containing a number of tiny creatures; in her hand was a sign announcing FREE KITTENS.

Suddenly a line of big black cars pulled up beside her. Out of the lead car stepped a tall, grinning man.

"Hi there little girl, I'm President Thomas Monson. What do you have in the basket?" he asked.

"Kittens," little Suzy said.

"How old are they?" asked Monson.

Suzy replied, "They're so young, their eyes aren't even open yet."

"And what kind of kittens are they?"

"Mormons," answered Suzy with a smile.

Thompson was delighted. As soon as he returned to his car, he called his PR chief and told him about the little girl and the kittens.

Recognizing the perfect photo op, the two men agreed that the president should return the next day; and in front of the assembled media, have the girl talk about her discerning kittens.

 

 

So the next day, Suzy was again standing on the sidewalk with her basket of "FREE KITTENS," when another motorcade pulled up, this time followed by vans from Deseret News, The Ensign magazine  and KSL.

Cameras and audio equipment were quickly set up, then Thompson got out of his limo and walked over to little Suzy.

"Hello, again," he said, "I'd love it if you would tell all my friends out there what kind of kittens you're giving away."

"Yes sir," Suzy said. "They're Christians."

Taken by surprise, the Living Prophet® stammered, "But... but... yesterday, you told me they were MORMONS."

Little Suzy smiled and said, "I know. But today, they have their eyes open"



24 posted on 02/03/2012 9:11:45 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: All

Mormons are a CULT plain and Simple, no differant than Scientology.

http://www.southparkstudios.com/guide/episodes/s07e12-all-about-mormons


25 posted on 02/03/2012 9:15:12 AM PST by troy McClure
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To: RedWhiteBlue

How ironic it will be - the truth about Mormonism will reelect Obama.

Truly, G-d moves in mysterious ways. Or will this prove that He indeed has a sense of humor?


26 posted on 02/03/2012 9:27:54 AM PST by elcid1970 ("Deport all Muslims. Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind.")
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To: Elsie

awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwweeeeee so cute, story is great.


27 posted on 02/03/2012 9:40:08 AM PST by annieokie
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To: elcid1970
Truly, G-d moves in mysterious ways. Or will this prove that He indeed has a sense of humor?

Or show that HE is patient in our looming destruction??

Over 47 MILLION 'CHOICE' participants are screaming from their trashcans...

28 posted on 02/03/2012 10:39:50 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: elcid1970
Over 47 MILLION 'CHOICE' participants are screaming from their trashcans...

Of course; if you are MORMON; those 'meat shells' were NOT infused with a pre-born human SOUL until birth, so they merely get re-cycled back to Heaven to await another human body to infest.

29 posted on 02/03/2012 10:41:54 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: elcid1970
... to infest.

Silly me; I meant inHABIT!

30 posted on 02/03/2012 10:42:28 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: annieokie

Tiger STILL hasn’t shown up for his photo shoot...


31 posted on 02/03/2012 10:43:18 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: reaganaut
OTOH, Evangelical churches and ministries are reporting a large increase in those who are claiming to leave the LDS for a relationship with Jesus Christ. One Evangelical pastor I know in Utah states his congregation is almost 40% ex-LDS.

I bet that is one very intense, engaged, passionate, group of Christians.

32 posted on 02/03/2012 10:50:38 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: ansel12

http://saintsalive.com/


33 posted on 02/03/2012 11:45:20 AM PST by StPaulRevert
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To: C19fan

http://www.saintsalive.com/resourcelibrary/mormonism/the-mormon-plan-for-america-and-the-rise-of-mitt-romney


34 posted on 02/03/2012 11:46:09 AM PST by StPaulRevert
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To: reaganaut; blasater1960

Annnnnnnd....I’m suppose to be working and I get this important ping.

LOL

Incoming, next post.


35 posted on 02/03/2012 12:18:51 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Elsie

“Of course; if you are MORMON; those ‘meat shells’ were NOT infused with a pre-born human SOUL until birth, so they merely get re-cycled back to Heaven to await another human body to inhabit”.

Do you mean that for a Mormon, abortion is not only permitted but is perfectly OK!!!!!?

Amniocentesis and other tests for fetal defects must be really popular among them. But then they pressure their wives to have lots & lots of kids.

Frankly, I’m confused. But apparently there’s no doctrinal prohibition against abortion in the COJCOLDS.

Again, the Obama crowd will run (truthful) ads about Romney’s religion that’s going to have all kinds of folks asking, “They believe in WHAT?”


36 posted on 02/03/2012 12:37:15 PM PST by elcid1970 ("Deport all Muslims. Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind.")
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To: reaganaut; blasater1960

It is totally true. Look at the literacy rates of countries south of the border, excluding Chile, and you will find 70%+ illiteracy.

We deal with it all the time in California. Our literacy programs are directed at helping them achieve some level of literacy in their original language and then we help them achieve a level of literacy in English so they can function at a higher level in American Society.

Now, go to any report you can find, regarding LDS growth rates and you will find that total numbers are coming from places that have challenges emphasizing competency in their respective languages, with the highest percentage illiteracy outside major cities, which is where you will find LDS success in converts.


37 posted on 02/03/2012 12:50:36 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: reaganaut; blasater1960

Can’t find it.

It’s on another computer.

I’ll post when I get home this evening.


38 posted on 02/03/2012 12:59:54 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: ansel12

It is. And there is a new church starting in AZ specifically for ex-Mormons to help them transition into Christian churches. The format is similar to LDS services, but the messages are Biblical.


39 posted on 02/03/2012 1:34:34 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, Now Christian - "I wasn't brainwashed, just brain pre-soaked.")
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To: RedWhiteBlue

“You can bet that Obama, the Democrat party, and the MSM already have a well-laid out plan of attack — and they won’t even have to lie or use half-truths, the truth is so bizarre that it will be decimating to that church.”

No they won’t need to rely solely on the MSM or the Demoncratic party to inform the public, if Romney becomes the nominee, they just need to contact a few Freepers such as Colofornian, Elsie, et al.


40 posted on 02/03/2012 1:38:34 PM PST by IWONDR
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To: IWONDR; RedWhiteBlue; Colofornian; Elsie; SENTINEL; aMorePerfectUnion; MHGinTN

So it is our fault that the Mormon church lies to its members?!

All we do is post their own writings and our personal experiences. The MSM can do their own research and come up with the exact same things, they don’t need us at all.


41 posted on 02/03/2012 4:09:08 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, Now Christian - "I wasn't brainwashed, just brain pre-soaked.")
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To: IWONDR
LOL really Dude/dudette, LOL. The LDS inc money machine has had a stealth 'help Romney' campaign going for awhile now. They call it the "And I'm a Mormon' ad campaign. If you go Youtube, it is quite prevalent. Now why would LDS inc go to such lengths to start a 'try and build positives reagrding their ISM at this particualr time in History of America? ... Depending upon your political and perhaps 'religious' perspective, the answer to that can vary. But know this, I've never been a Mormon.

They (LDS inc) sought to recruit me from my Baptist Church decades ago and I was thankfully yanked (spiritually) away from their slick lies by omission. The monetary influence the LDS inc machine will bring to bear on the media will have the effect of neutralizing, then turning the media whores to serve the new, just as deceitful, master, LDS inc.

IF Romney can be placed in the White HOuse, the Smithian 'White Horse Prophecy' and the various miss-information on that will aid the LDS inc money machine in building tithing members. There are literally hundrds of billions at stake to get the Mormon High Priest elected.

And you are naive enought to believe that what gets posted at FR will be the source for media attacks on MormonISM, until and if a MormonISM high Priest gets elected? Magic thinking is a democrat characteristic, dude.

42 posted on 02/03/2012 5:36:07 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: reaganaut

What church? Ours has a high number too. Well, they all do I guess.


43 posted on 02/04/2012 12:21:43 AM PST by T Minus Four
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To: Elsie

wHAT?????????


44 posted on 02/04/2012 12:23:49 AM PST by T Minus Four
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To: ansel12
I bet that is one very intense, engaged, passionate, group of Christians.

You'd better believe it. I belong to an evangelical church in Utah and we have quite a number of ex-Mormons, and it's like they are on FIRE for Jesus!

45 posted on 02/04/2012 12:26:50 AM PST by T Minus Four
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To: annieokie
Tiger STILL hasn’t shown up for his photo shoot...

When we returned home from the biggest human gridlock I have EVER seen (or been in!) - Super Bowl Madness in Indy; Tiger was home, meowing for food.

If he's there this morning, I'll get his picture.

46 posted on 02/04/2012 5:14:37 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: IWONDR; Saundra Duffy

Ca Ching!!!

Hey Saundra!

I’m about to get paid, BIG TIME, for all the stuff I’ve posted over the years!

nyah! Nyah!! NYAH!!!


47 posted on 02/04/2012 5:17:34 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: reaganaut
The MSM can do their own research and come up with the exact same things, they don’t need us at all.

(Sounds like my first wife...)

48 posted on 02/04/2012 5:18:40 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: T Minus Four
wHAT?????????
 
 
http://mormonbeliefs.org/mormon_beliefs/mormon-beliefs-the-plan-of-salvation/the-plan-of-salvation-the-pre-existence
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-existence
 
 

49 posted on 02/04/2012 5:36:07 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie
ok, for a moment I thought you were talking about Tiger Woods, anybody seen him lately, hahahahahahaha. Before he got caught, he was my golf hero, then Phil Michelson. Now I don't care if I ever see Tiger again, he deserves all the failure he can get. Phil is my hero now.
50 posted on 02/04/2012 7:32:52 AM PST by annieokie
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