Skip to comments.Mormon Numbers Not Adding Up
Posted on 02/03/2012 7:30:52 AM PST by C19fan
The ascendancy of Mormonism as a world religion once seemed inevitable. The year was 1984, and sociologist named Rodney Stark made a startling projection: the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints would grow to 267 million members by 2080.
But new data suggests that Mormonism may no longer be (as it is often described) among the fastest growing faiths in the United States. Instead, American Mormons appear to be settling into the twenty-first century as a maturing minority having an increasingly hard time holding onto younger members.
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Duh, only the gospel of grace can truely attrack and hold people (aka the Gospel of Jesus Christ according to the Bible)! J.S.
Thank God this bizarre cult is on the decline.
Last numbers I read about, where 13 million world wide with only 5 million active members, a majority of those in the US.
As the internet continues to expose mormonISM with information, people will leave this cult.
The one true Catholic Church keeps growing, century after century, regardless of how many mistakes her fallible leaders make, no matter how much effort and energy Hitler, the Soviets, the godless dictators in France and Mexico and elsewhere, and the Henry VIII the butcher of England have expended trying to kill her off, Christ’s Bride, the Church, continues to thrive because despite her many flaws, she has preserved and shared and propagated Christ’s gospel and true Christian doctrine infallibly!
Viva Cristo Rey!
This why the mormon church is for illegal immigration. The hispanics can be duped and they have a ton of children...
Mormons should be careful about what they hope for. Mitt Romney getting the Republican nomination will result in the nation getting a crash course in Mormonism. Unlike the propaganda coming from SLC, this will be the unvarnished truth of Mormonism which is not pretty. I think that the PR crises will come so quickly that the “church” won’t be able to respond to one before the next one hits like waves and waves from a tsunami.
Interesting. I had been wondering about that. Probably less convincement on the part of the young when they go out on their conversion missions. And the news from Salt Lake City often seems to be rather negative. Plus you’ve got guys like Dingy Harry showing that Mormons don’t seem to care who they vote for. They used to have a reputation for being honest political conservatives.
I don’t know how many people see through someone like Mitt, but I don’t think he has been helpful to the cause. The media pretend to defend his Mormonism, but in reality they are setting it up for questioning.
Less than 2% of the population, about the same as homosexuals.
Google: What businesses does the LDS own.
Do we continue to patronize them? Check it out.
How well are Christian religions holding on to their youth? What are their stats?
The Barna Foundation reports that 85% of children from **highly** active evangelical homes who attend our nation's godless government schools are not active in their faith 2 years after graduation. Homeschooling evangelical children are just the opposite. Of homeschoolers 95% of evangelical children will be active in their faith 2 years after graduating.
Without know how well other religions are doing in retaining their youth, the statement about Mormons and their youth is meaningless. It is possible that in comparison to Christian and Jewish faiths, they may actually be doing fairly well in keep their children committed to the faith of their fathers.
” I think that the PR crises will come so quickly that the church wont be able to respond to one before the next one hits like waves and waves from a tsunami.”
The PR campaign started months ago with their “I’m a Mormon” TV ads and billboards. To say that wasn’t a coordinated effort with the Romney crowd would be disingenuous.
You’ll all be relieved to know that in the last year we have had three young adults who are friends of my daughters’ baptized, and they are very active in the church (they were bombarded with anti-mormon, but it just made them stronger in their decision!) Two more will be baptized in the very near future, and they are all very bright, amazing college students (and internet literate!) Two are converts from the Catholic church (as is my husband), one from Pentecostal (as am I), one from atheism, and one from no church. Happy Day!
I have posted this before, but here is some research I did on how the LDS have finessed their membership numbers. Also, if you dont go through the name removal process (easier now but it used to be quite the problem), then they still count you as a member.
Actual numbers are hard to come by, since the LDS does not release the numbers of those who have left. Additionally, their convert numbers are not necessarily accurate since the report each April, the previous years numbers and by their own admission, convert retention rate past one year is less than 50%.
The 0% growth rate has been confirmed by someone in LDS headquaters, who stated that their only real growth is those born into the church.
There is also some question as to if those whose names are removed are still counted in the numbers, because their records are changed to non-member rather than destroyed.
Also, it has been said that inactives are not removed from the roles until after they would have been 110, regardless of date of death.
OTOH, Evangelical churches and ministries are reporting a large increase in those who are claiming to leave the LDS for a relationship with Jesus Christ. One Evangelical pastor I know in Utah states his congregation is almost 40% ex-LDS.
Other sites, like ex-mormon.org also show an increase in those leaving.
How the LDS finesses their numbers can be easily seen by how they have historically reported their membership numbers at General Conference.
They used to include number of deaths of members. They no longer do so.
They used to separate converts and BIC baptisms, they do not, which makes me question how many converts were actually Born LDS.
They used to have a separate category for the baptisms of children of record, that has disappeared. Some have speculated that they are now lumped together with converts.
Regarding the number of stakes/wards, I have read that they reorganize and consolidate stakes and call that a new stake. Also the numbers required for a ward/stake have decreased, so it looks like an increase. They have also closed a few missions (consolidated) but add the new mission to the old number.
The finessing of numbers has made it appear that the church is still growing, but outside sources tell another story, and now they are at least admitting it.
1974 -Statistical Report
Number of Stakes of Zion at the Close of 1974 675
Number of Wards 4,756
Number of Independent Branches in Stakes 1,195
Total Wards and Independent Branches in Stakes at the Close of the Year 5,951
Number of Mission Branches at the Close of the Year 1,822
Number of Full-time Missions at the End of the Year 113
Church Membership, December 31, 1974
In the Stakes 2,960,143
In the Missions 425,766
Total Membership 3,385,909
Church Growth During 1974
Children Blessed in Stakes and Missions 72,717
Children of Record Baptized in Stakes and Missions 47,234
Converts Baptized in Stakes and Missions 69,018
1985 - Statistical report
Number of stakes 1,582
Number of districts 352
Number of missions 188
Number of wards 10,168
Number of branches in stakes 2,766
Number of branches in missions 2,071
Number of sovereign countries with organized wards or branches 95
Number of territories, colonies, and possessions with organized wards or branches 20
(These statistics reflect an increase of 75 stakes and 542 wards and branches during 1985.)
Total membership at the close of 1985 5,920,000
Church Growth during 1985
Increase in children of Record 95,000
Children of record baptized 70,000
Converts baptized 197,640
1996 - Statistical Report
Wards and branches 23,528
These wards and branches are in 140 nations and in 21 territories and possessions.
Total membership 9,694,549
Eight-year-olds baptized during 1996 81,017
Converts baptized during 1996 321,385
2007 - Statistical Report
Wards and Branches 27,827
Total Church Membership 13,193,999
Increase in Children of Record 93,698
Converts Baptized 279,218
I have a friend whose son (LDS) just recived his “Mission Call” it is to Mexico, apparently it is the same mission that several of his friends also got sent to which is VERY VERY unusual, at least it used to be. Of his 8 friends recently ‘called’ 6 have been sent to Mexico (5 including him to the same mission), 1 to Jamaica, and only one to a US mission.
Vendome posted an interesting analysis of why the LDS church is focusing on illiterate nations.
Thanks for that info. I will pray their eyes will be opened and that they will leave Mormonism for a real relationship with Jesus Christ.
FWIW, convert retention rates are less than 50% by the two year mark.
Also, I was bombarded with ‘anti-Mormonism’ before I joined the LDS, and it made me more intent in my resolve to be a good and faithful Mormon.
It took a few years for me to realize that the ‘antis’ were the ones telling the truth, and that the LDS church was the one lying to me.
There is hope for them yet.
In the end the Pope's action encouraged both the English and the French and the Spanish, and finally, even the Italians and Germans to seek control over their own national churches. Schism in Spain was avoided when all the brotherhoods were allowed to provide missionaries to the New World.
It was over such minor issues that Rome lost so much for so long.
I think you are spot-on. If Romney gets the nomination, it will be their worst nightmare. You can bet that Obama, the Democrat party, and the MSM already have a well-laid out plan of attack — and they won’t even have to lie or use half-truths, the truth is so bizarre that it will be decimating to that church.
A pretty little girl named Suzy was standing on the sidewalk in front of her home in Salt Lake City. Next to her was a basket containing a number of tiny creatures; in her hand was a sign announcing FREE KITTENS.
Suddenly a line of big black cars pulled up beside her. Out of the lead car stepped a tall, grinning man.
"Hi there little girl, I'm President Thomas Monson. What do you have in the basket?" he asked.
"Kittens," little Suzy said.
"How old are they?" asked Monson.
Suzy replied, "They're so young, their eyes aren't even open yet."
"And what kind of kittens are they?"
"Mormons," answered Suzy with a smile.
Thompson was delighted. As soon as he returned to his car, he called his PR chief and told him about the little girl and the kittens.
Recognizing the perfect photo op, the two men agreed that the president should return the next day; and in front of the assembled media, have the girl talk about her discerning kittens.
So the next day, Suzy was again standing on the sidewalk with her basket of "FREE KITTENS," when another motorcade pulled up, this time followed by vans from Deseret News, The Ensign magazine and KSL.
Cameras and audio equipment were quickly set up, then Thompson got out of his limo and walked over to little Suzy.
"Hello, again," he said, "I'd love it if you would tell all my friends out there what kind of kittens you're giving away."
"Yes sir," Suzy said. "They're Christians."
Taken by surprise, the Living Prophet® stammered, "But... but... yesterday, you told me they were MORMONS."
Little Suzy smiled and said, "I know. But today, they have their eyes open"
Mormons are a CULT plain and Simple, no differant than Scientology.
How ironic it will be - the truth about Mormonism will reelect Obama.
Truly, G-d moves in mysterious ways. Or will this prove that He indeed has a sense of humor?
awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwweeeeee so cute, story is great.
Or show that HE is patient in our looming destruction??
Over 47 MILLION 'CHOICE' participants are screaming from their trashcans...
Of course; if you are MORMON; those 'meat shells' were NOT infused with a pre-born human SOUL until birth, so they merely get re-cycled back to Heaven to await another human body to infest.
Silly me; I meant inHABIT!
Tiger STILL hasn’t shown up for his photo shoot...
I bet that is one very intense, engaged, passionate, group of Christians.
Annnnnnnd....I’m suppose to be working and I get this important ping.
Incoming, next post.
“Of course; if you are MORMON; those ‘meat shells’ were NOT infused with a pre-born human SOUL until birth, so they merely get re-cycled back to Heaven to await another human body to inhabit”.
Do you mean that for a Mormon, abortion is not only permitted but is perfectly OK!!!!!?
Amniocentesis and other tests for fetal defects must be really popular among them. But then they pressure their wives to have lots & lots of kids.
Frankly, I’m confused. But apparently there’s no doctrinal prohibition against abortion in the COJCOLDS.
Again, the Obama crowd will run (truthful) ads about Romney’s religion that’s going to have all kinds of folks asking, “They believe in WHAT?”
It is totally true. Look at the literacy rates of countries south of the border, excluding Chile, and you will find 70%+ illiteracy.
We deal with it all the time in California. Our literacy programs are directed at helping them achieve some level of literacy in their original language and then we help them achieve a level of literacy in English so they can function at a higher level in American Society.
Now, go to any report you can find, regarding LDS growth rates and you will find that total numbers are coming from places that have challenges emphasizing competency in their respective languages, with the highest percentage illiteracy outside major cities, which is where you will find LDS success in converts.
Can’t find it.
It’s on another computer.
I’ll post when I get home this evening.
It is. And there is a new church starting in AZ specifically for ex-Mormons to help them transition into Christian churches. The format is similar to LDS services, but the messages are Biblical.
“You can bet that Obama, the Democrat party, and the MSM already have a well-laid out plan of attack and they wont even have to lie or use half-truths, the truth is so bizarre that it will be decimating to that church.”
No they won’t need to rely solely on the MSM or the Demoncratic party to inform the public, if Romney becomes the nominee, they just need to contact a few Freepers such as Colofornian, Elsie, et al.
So it is our fault that the Mormon church lies to its members?!
All we do is post their own writings and our personal experiences. The MSM can do their own research and come up with the exact same things, they don’t need us at all.
They (LDS inc) sought to recruit me from my Baptist Church decades ago and I was thankfully yanked (spiritually) away from their slick lies by omission. The monetary influence the LDS inc machine will bring to bear on the media will have the effect of neutralizing, then turning the media whores to serve the new, just as deceitful, master, LDS inc.
IF Romney can be placed in the White HOuse, the Smithian 'White Horse Prophecy' and the various miss-information on that will aid the LDS inc money machine in building tithing members. There are literally hundrds of billions at stake to get the Mormon High Priest elected.
And you are naive enought to believe that what gets posted at FR will be the source for media attacks on MormonISM, until and if a MormonISM high Priest gets elected? Magic thinking is a democrat characteristic, dude.
What church? Ours has a high number too. Well, they all do I guess.
You'd better believe it. I belong to an evangelical church in Utah and we have quite a number of ex-Mormons, and it's like they are on FIRE for Jesus!
When we returned home from the biggest human gridlock I have EVER seen (or been in!) - Super Bowl Madness in Indy; Tiger was home, meowing for food.
If he's there this morning, I'll get his picture.
I’m about to get paid, BIG TIME, for all the stuff I’ve posted over the years!
nyah! Nyah!! NYAH!!!
(Sounds like my first wife...)
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