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UK elderly are “wasting too many bedrooms” (CIVIL WAR if they try this in US.
CFP ^ | 05 FEB 12 | Anna Grayson

Posted on 02/05/2012 9:45:12 AM PST by DCBryan1

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To: KrisKrinkle
"Maybe. I sometimes think that one of the biggest miscalculations made regarding the War Between the States was that people on both sides forgot they weren’t going up against the British, Mexicans, Indians or Moroccan Pirates. They were going up against people like themselves, people who whipped those others."

Hmm, it took the American Colonists 8 years, with French, Dutch and Spanish help, to beat the British. The ACW took 4 years...

41 posted on 02/05/2012 11:28:41 AM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: DCBryan1
Not gonna happen here.

Not with all those foreclosed and unrentable units sitting vacant.

The housing market in Britain is very different.

The central government and local government (councils) play an even bigger role than they do in the US.

42 posted on 02/05/2012 11:37:04 AM PST by x
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To: DCBryan1

This short scene from near the end of my 3rd novel, Foreign Enemies And Traitors.


A quick phone call would be all right, thought Doug. Tennessee to Maryland wasn’t so far, and it was after six PM. It was a stroke of luck that he had found the cell phone in a kitchen junk drawer, and that it was actually getting a signal. Finally, he was catching a break, and managing to turn lemons into lemonade.

They had arrived at the new safehouse in the late afternoon. It was in an isolated hollow surrounded by thick woods. Doug was happy just to squirm out of the cramped hiding place under the salvage truck. The secret compartment’s bottom and sides were ice cold metal, and had left him shivering with hypothermia. The new place wasn’t much more than a cabin, but it had a cast-iron stove and plenty of firewood, so they had all been able to get warm, wash up, and enjoy a meal. After being locked with Phil into the frigid metal box under the truck for several hours, unable even to turn over, the cozy cabin was paradise. He’d eaten four steaming hot baked potatoes, slathered with fresh farm butter, and couldn’t remember ever eating anything tastier or more filling in his life.

Their driver and host “Dewey” was a mysterious sort of person. Doug only knew his name from what was written on the doors of his junk truck. In age he fit somewhere between Boone and Carson, but like both of those men, he seemed a lot tougher than his years would indicate. Doug guessed that Dewey Lieberman was not his real name, but he’d had few opportunities to talk with the man. Dewey’s conversations with Boone and Carson stopped short or shifted to some innocuous topic when he was around. Dewey left the cabin in his big truck, and returned after dark with an ordinary compact car. Again, he conferred quietly with Boone and Carson, but always out of Doug’s earshot. I’ve been traveling and operating with Boone for months, he thought, and two days after Carson shows up, I’m cut out of his conversations. Then Boone announced, not discussed, but announced that they had somewhere to go tonight. They, but not him. Not Doug Dolan. No, good old faithful Doug would remain behind to…what? Guard the isolated cabin? “Hold down the fort?” Boone and Carson left with Dewey after nightfall.

So who could blame him for his curiosity, after they had ditched out on him and left him behind? His natural inquisitiveness about the new safehouse had led him to discover the forgotten cell phone. It was inside of an old-fashioned metal pill container, buried beneath pliers, screwdrivers and scissors. He was actually shocked when he pushed the power button and it lit up, and he stared at its glowing screen in wonder for a long time. It was the first working cell phone that he had touched since before the earthquakes, one very long year ago. It was a prepaid phone, showing 137 minutes remaining.

A few minutes on the phone were all he needed, and nobody would ever know. Who counted a few airtime minutes, on an old cell phone left in a drawer? Nobody, Doug was sure. Not even these days. Boone had left him behind at the cabin safehouse, and that had been a blow to his pride. Was it because they didn’t trust him, or because they just didn’t need him? Well, Doug rationalized, at least the unexpected privacy will give me a chance to make the one phone call that I’ve been anxious to make for so many months. He punched in the long-memorized Baltimore number, and miraculously, after clicks, buzzing and dead air pauses, he heard the phone ringing at the other end. After six or seven rings, the phone was picked up. The call had gone through, and his heart soared in anticipation!

“Mom! Mom, it’s me!”

But instead of his mother’s voice, Doug heard music, and a man finally answered, but Doug couldn’t understand what he was saying. A man? What was a strange man doing at his mother’s house, answering the phone?

“Hello, who’s this?” asked Doug. “Where is Mrs. Dolan?”

The phone was dropped with a bang. Long seconds later, somebody else picked it up, a female voice. “Holá, hallo! Who ees?”

“This is Doug—Doug Dolan! Listen, where’s my mother? Where is Mrs. Dolan?”

“Meesees Do-lane? You ees Meesees Do-lane?”

“No! I’m Doug Dolan, Mrs. Dolan’s son! Please, is Mrs. Dolan there?”

“Meesees Do-lane? Un minuto, please. I getting Meesees Do-lane, okay?”

Doug waited, perplexed and more than a bit worried. Who were the people who had answered the phone at his mother’s house? He could make out the music now; it was some kind of fast Latin salsa or Mexican ranchera music.

After a minute, he finally heard his mother’s voice. “Hello, who is this?” she asked.

“Mom, it’s me, Doug!”

“Douglas? Douglas—you’re alive! Oh my goodness, oh thank God, you’re alive! They told me that you were missing and presumed dead in Tennessee, after the earthquakes! But you’re alive! Oh, thank God, thank God! Douglas, can you come home? When can you come home? Oh, I need you here Douglas, I need you! Where are you? When can you come home?”

“I don’t know Mom; things are a little crazy right now. Just as soon as I can, I will. I promise. Mom, who answered the phone? I heard a man, and then a woman came on the line. Who are they?”

“Oh Doug, I have so much to tell you! So much has happened since you left!”

“Mom, who are those people who just answered the phone?”

“Doug, that’s the Sanchorios family; they’re originally from El Salvador.”

“El Salvador? What are they doing in our house?”

“They live here now Douglas, they live here!”


“The government split our house up into apartments, after I couldn’t pay the vacant room tax. Then they had the Sanchorios family move in upstairs. They were living in Nashville, but their apartment building was wrecked in the earthquakes. They were earthquake refugees.”

“Mom, what do you mean, ‘the vacant room tax’?”

“What? Oh, it’s new since last year. A new law. The property tax appraiser said that I had too many bedrooms for just one person to be living here. Too many square feet, there’s a formula. Since I couldn’t pay the vacant room tax, I had to take in boarders, boarders that the state assigned to live here. That’s what they do now.”

Doug tried to make sense of it. Vacant room tax? Boarders? From El Salvador? “Do they pay you rent?”

“No, not to me. That’s why I have boarders. It’s instead of paying the vacant room tax. They waived the tax, since I’ve taken in refugees. The state assigned them to live here. They get to live here for free. Their son joined that new army, the North American Legion, so they have priority on housing. Oh Doug, it’s just unbearable!”

“Where are they living? How many are there?” Doug was stunned, coming to grips with the unexpected news about their home being subdivided.

“They live upstairs. I can’t keep track of how many there are; they come and go at all hours. There’s usually at least seven or eight of them, not counting babies. I think they’re subletting the rooms upstairs, but I can’t tell who’s who. It seems like they change practically every week, except for the Sanchorios family. We all share the kitchen, but I’m too afraid to go in there when they’re around. I sleep in the sitting room next to the living room, that’s my ‘apartment’ now. The sitting room and the living room, and the downstairs bathroom, that’s where I live. I cook on a hot plate, when the electricity is working. Oh, Douglas, when are you coming home?”

“I can’t now Mom, but I will as soon as I can, I promise.”

“Douglas, they won’t even let me use the upstairs bathroom, so I have to wash in the sink in the first floor bathroom. Oh, and the kitchen is ruined, just ruined! I don’t even know what the second floor looks like; they won’t let me come upstairs, but water is dripping through the ceiling and the plaster is falling down. They drink beer and yell and play their music so loud all night that I can’t sleep. They park their cars on the lawn, and the grass all died. The men even pee outside! When I say anything, they just laugh in my face and call me ‘la brooha blanca,’ I think that means the white witch. They laugh at me and say, ‘su casa es mi casa.’ They curse at me and throw things at me, in my own house!” Mrs. Dolan began to sob and weep.

“Mom, you should go to the police, this isn’t right!”

“But I did go to the authorities Douglas, I did! I had a lawyer file complaints. But Doug, the world is upside-down now! They got a free court-appointed lawyer, and they sued me for ‘harassment and ethnic discrimination!’ The state was going to charge me with hate crimes, and I almost lost the house completely! Then I had to apologize to them, in court! I was never so humiliated in my entire life! The judge said I was lucky that I had boarders, since I couldn’t pay the vacant room tax. Lucky, he said I was! I even had to go to a ‘cultural sensitivity’ class, to get rehabilitated! Rehabilitated! Oh Doug, what am I going to do? What am I going to do?” His mother began sobbing again.

“I don’t know Mom, I don’t know. But I’ll come home as soon as I can. I’ve got some problems with the Army, so it might not be for a while, but I’ll try at least to visit in a couple of weeks. Hang in there Mom! I’ll help you the best that I can, as soon as I can get there.”

Doug heard a man’s loud voice in the background, and then his mother said quietly, “I’ve got to hang up. Mr. Sanchorios needs to use the phone now, so I have to go. Goodbye Douglas. I love you, and I’m so happy to know that you’re alive! Goodbye Douglas…”

43 posted on 02/05/2012 11:44:50 AM PST by Travis McGee (
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To: DCBryan1

Heck, bypass the middle man and go straight to death panels.

44 posted on 02/05/2012 11:54:59 AM PST by bgill (The Obama administration is staging a coup. Wake up, America, before it's too late.)
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To: Travis McGee

Yoou are so prescient TM - Please tell us the results of the GOP Primary Election;) You know you know.

Down to earth poetry - very real and very chilling.

45 posted on 02/05/2012 11:58:56 AM PST by sodpoodle ( Newt - God has tested him for a reason...... to celebrate life and embrace the future.)
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To: DCBryan1

Does this mean the queen will have to give up her palace?

46 posted on 02/05/2012 11:59:54 AM PST by rawhide
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To: DCBryan1

Folks, this is GOVERNMENT-OWNED housing. Not private homes.

47 posted on 02/05/2012 12:05:30 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Author of - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)
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To: DCBryan1
And Cars too, you have too many cars. and bicycles. and why do you need so much food. and you stamp collectors, turn in the stamps that the poor may use them.
48 posted on 02/05/2012 12:21:00 PM PST by 20yearvet (they yell for more tests as long as its your money)
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To: Beelzebubba

Why let Freeper hysteria and paranoia get in the way of facts?

49 posted on 02/05/2012 12:21:18 PM PST by nwrep
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To: Beelzebubba
not according to the article...
50 posted on 02/05/2012 12:23:03 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: DCBryan1

It has to be said —this generation brought everything it is about to get, on itself. Either through direct participation or by way of apathy and cowardice.

51 posted on 02/05/2012 12:26:06 PM PST by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: Chode
and hand over the equity in their homes - which they have spent a lifetime paying for –
52 posted on 02/05/2012 12:27:36 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: DCBryan1
Years ago I predicted that it would happen here in California -- that at least there would be efforts to get enough signatures to permit voting on a proposition that would make a law where "pensioners will be encouraged to downsize to smaller properties allowing" their middle class three and four bedroom homes to be handed over to (most likely) undocumented (ILLEGAL aliens) workers per request of Mexico City and Mexicorruption's representatives in California's legislature, executive, and judicial branches.

Local authorities will ‘help’ older people move from their homes into ‘more suitable accommodation’.

That won't be necessary here thanks to Obamacare and Pelosi.

Palliative End of Life Optimum Serenity Initiative (PELOSI) -- Modifying Democrat Richard Lamm's "seriously ill old people have a duty to die and get out of the way" -- to Obama's edict that "for any illness just give 'em a pill."

Thus no more curative treatments and now it's PELOSI!

What a deal! No need for more suitable accommodations -- the (and I am one) old bastards will be gone!

(Bring it on, Marxist-Alinsky campus spoiled brats.)

53 posted on 02/05/2012 12:32:11 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: DCBryan1

In looking at this painting it is interesting to see the very small group of Presidents that seemingly are on Obama’s side as he steps on the Constitution, while the greater number are on the other side.

54 posted on 02/05/2012 12:33:40 PM PST by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: Kartographer
BLOAT!...and then double check your "list" for the day the balloon goes up!

I like! Much better than SHTF! The constant repetition in the SHTF Planning: 20 Lessons from the Streets of Cairo post numbs the reader and after a bit the phrase loses impact. IMHO it is probably better to limit the frequency of usage of any "descriptive phrase", certainly to less than once per paragraph. I think overuse of such "capsule thinking phrases" my lead to blurring the message which I'm sure is not your desire. In general your articles are through, helpful, and of great practical value to anyone interested in ameliorating the future's potential unpleasantness.


PS I also think the acronym, SHTF, is more acceptable then spelling out the entire phrase. Again, my opinion only.

55 posted on 02/05/2012 12:35:29 PM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Joshua Marcus
I hope that when they beg to be rescued, as we did for them in the 40’s, we say: “goog luck with that.”

But there isn't any principled majority "we" anymore. 40% or more of the U.S. population seems to want that kind of thing -- forced income and wealth distribution. 20% may be indifferent. May be too late to stop the progression toward Marxism here as well.

56 posted on 02/05/2012 12:39:06 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture (Could be worst in 40 years))
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To: DCBryan1

Clearly they are running out of other people’s money.

But that’s what happens when you reward theft through the government and punish achievement through the same means.

Just something more to look forward to if President Downgrade is able to fool enough people one more time.

57 posted on 02/05/2012 12:57:21 PM PST by BerserkPatriot (I despise Progressive Obama Socialists.)
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To: Beelzebubba; Chode; All
Um, no. The idiots behind this lunacy are looking at privately owned housing:

From the article:
The thinking behind this initiative was provided from a report, ‘Hoarding of Housing’ undertaken by a newly created charity, The Intergenerational Foundation (IF), a left leaning, research-based think-tank which ‘promotes fairness between generations’ as they state on their website. The report makes for depressing reading as its clearly aggressive stance toward older people who they consider to be ‘rattling around in big houses’ while younger families are being squeezed into smaller flats and under-sized houses. IF claims it is not urging the government to ‘round on older generations and turf them out of their homes’ but they have busily calculated that 25 million bedrooms are standing empty and that 51.5% of those aged over 65 have two or more bedrooms that they don’t need.

Public housing would just be the start. This is clearly aimed at privately owned property, and to call them out as the communists they are is not only appropriate, but absolutely necessary.
58 posted on 02/05/2012 12:58:34 PM PST by rottndog (Be Prepared for what's coming AFTER America....)
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To: EnglishCon
My neighbor across the road got what she thought a good deal on her home from the council - free maintenence, free rent and a lump sum in return for the deeds. Now they are trying to move her out to sheltered accomodation to clear the house for some lowlife scum.

Sounds like the reverse mortgage scheme here. That will turn into a bad deal for elders too.

59 posted on 02/05/2012 1:11:50 PM PST by WVNan ("Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy." - Winston)
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To: DCBryan1
"The idea is to create more stocks of ‘affordable housing’ for younger families. This is a euphemism for subsidized houses for families that have deadbeat dads, single mothers with a battery of children from different fathers and other assorted welfare dependent cases that need ‘help’."

From those (in every political party) who used every immoral social, political and legal tactic to break families and cause the divorce/cohabitation paradigm. LOL! Can't squeeze wealth for big, man-hating government from worthless currencies and debt.

Embrace the default process. Without a whole lot of manufacturing that's not going to happen, there will be small government and freedom for young families ahead.

Starve the B!

60 posted on 02/05/2012 1:18:19 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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