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Is this a fair question for Romney? What are your vows, promises and duties as Mormon bishop?
February 6, 2012 | Ralph Mitchell

Posted on 02/06/2012 5:42:08 AM PST by mitchell001

If Gingrich, Santorum or Paul were deacons or ministers of Catholic or Protestant churches, they would certainly be asked what their vows, promises and duties were and will they conflict with the oath of President of the US. I am asking the readers first if this is a fair question for Romney, second has it been asked and answered before, and third if it hasn't been asked who will most likely have the opportunity to ask this question during the GOP primary process?


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1 posted on 02/06/2012 5:42:15 AM PST by mitchell001
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To: mitchell001

No.


2 posted on 02/06/2012 5:43:12 AM PST by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: mitchell001

3 posted on 02/06/2012 5:45:52 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: mitchell001

The Mormon Protective Association will make sure that all is well.....for mormons.


4 posted on 02/06/2012 5:51:36 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: blueunicorn6

you and the MPA are really funny. here is a guy who worked at Bain whatever amount of time that took, plus then called as a Bishop he worked free of charge as a church leader, counnselor, tended to the welfare of his flock, and gave of his time so that others might move forward in their lives.

There is nothing secret about what a Bishop does, look it up on line.

First, the bishop is the presiding high priest and father of the ward. “As such, (the bishop) presides at sacrament meeting, priesthood meeting, ward council meetings, and at all other ward services and activities,” said President Monson. “By these and other means, he watches over both the spiritual and temporal affairs of the ward. He is also responsible for the doctrine which is taught in the ward.”

President Monson said a bishop must know his people, their names, circumstances, challenges, goals and abilities. “A wise bishop knows the names of the children in the ward as well, and he remembers them on their birthdays. He also is mindful of the widow and those who, for whatever reason, are not found as regular attenders in the meetings.”

Second, the bishop has responsibility for the Aaronic Priesthood. The bishop’s duty “is to see that every boy is ordained a deacon at the right age, as well as a teacher, a priest and an elder,” President Monson said. He added, “The two words, labor and love, will work wonders in achieving this objective. For those who are behind schedule, I leave the challenge, ‘Reach out to rescue.’

“Appoint as advisers to the Aaronic Priesthood quorums brethren who can relate to these young men — who can give them encouragement in the performance of their responsibilities and prepare them to serve at the sacrament table, as home teachers, in the case of teachers and priests, and to qualify for missions.”

Next of the bishop’s responsibilities is that of caring for the needy. President Monson quoted President J. Reuben Clark Jr., a long-time member of the First Presidency, who said: “To the bishop is given all the powers, and responsibilities which the Lord has specifically prescribed in the Doctrine and Covenants for the caring of the poor. . . . No one else is charged with this duty and responsibility, no one else is endowed with the power and functions necessary for this work. . . . It is (the bishop’s) duty and his only to determine to whom, when, how, and how much shall be given to any member of his ward from Church funds and as ward help.”

Next, the bishop is responsible for finances. The bishop, President Monson said, receives tithes and offerings, supervises the unit budget and expenditures and makes certain that records are properly and appropriately kept. “The bishop is the one who must determine how Church commodities and funds are used to provide for the temporal needs of the members.”


5 posted on 02/06/2012 5:57:07 AM PST by ferv888
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To: mitchell001

When Bishop Romney was carpetbagging Governor (and a bad
one at that) of Massachusetts, more than once
he called Utah to find out what to do.
He admitted that already.

So it IS a reasonable issue. Yes.


6 posted on 02/06/2012 6:02:19 AM PST by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Diogenesis

No Ralphy it is not


7 posted on 02/06/2012 6:07:09 AM PST by thomas16
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To: mitchell001
It will be asked eventually because John King on CNN slipped out the other night as referring to Mitt Romney as Governor Mormon. I think the media will bring up when the African Americans were not allowed to be a member. (to have Obama’s base very angry) The media is has no morals.
8 posted on 02/06/2012 6:07:09 AM PST by Christie at the beach
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To: mitchell001

Everything about candidates core beliefs should be asked.
A persons religious leanings are the core of who they are.
If you want to know their core, it is important to know what they beleive.
Romney is a high level, temple worthy mormon, one more level and he probably would be part of the council of twelve.
If you do not know mormonISM you will not know who he is, mormonISM is his core.
Romney is who he is because of his mormonISM not in spit of it.


9 posted on 02/06/2012 6:07:56 AM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: ferv888

“nothing secret”, now that’s funny.


10 posted on 02/06/2012 6:09:30 AM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: thomas16

So asking about a candidates core beliefs is not relevant, why?


11 posted on 02/06/2012 6:11:30 AM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That picture is so funny this morning. ;) with all of this

crazy stuff in the news.


12 posted on 02/06/2012 6:12:17 AM PST by Christie at the beach
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To: ferv888

Good answer but I would like someone to ask and document Romney’s answers to theses questions.


13 posted on 02/06/2012 6:13:51 AM PST by mitchell001
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To: ferv888

Troll alert. bribery.


14 posted on 02/06/2012 6:29:19 AM PST by stonehouse01 (Equal rights for unborn women)
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To: mitchell001; reaganaut; onyx; Jim Robinson; greyfoxx39; Mountain Mary; STARWISE; TheOldLady; ...
Thank you for starting the dialog.

So many questions, so few answers from the Romney camp.

Where is Hannity? He certainly wasn't afraid to bring Jeremiah Wright to We the People.

The people were not afraid to ask the tough question when Kennedy ran. IIRC Kennedy and his family were very open about his faith, even articles in national papers and magazines. But if questions are asked now, the questioner is attacked.

15 posted on 02/06/2012 6:31:53 AM PST by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: mitchell001
I can shed a little more light on this question as I was a Bishop at age 36 and during that same time ran for Statewide public office.

A Bishop is like any other actively practicing member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. He has shown his willingness to serve in the Church. Like all members, he has committed to keep the commandments of God, and to honor and sustain the law. And his major duty is to love and serve the people in his geographically specified "ward," member and non-member alike. His first duty, however, is to love and serve his own family, and provide for their needs. Since there is no compensation for Bishops or any other local leaders in The Church, that means he has a job of some sort.

The Church itself stays completely out of party politics. In my case, the one conflict between my service as a Bishop and my campaign for State Treasurer was time. Since I had a difficult time being home enough to fulfill my duties of service to the members of my congregation, my Church leader (known as Stake President) and I decided I should be released as Bishop.

That decision didn't affect my membership or standing in The Church one way or another. I had served the best I could. Another brother was called in my place and later, after the campaign, I was asked to serve in a different capacity.

Most members and leaders in The Church are very patriotic and believe strongly that the Constitution of the United States was inspired of God and should be protected. We also believe that the principles in the Constitution are really a blessing for all people, not just Americans.

My greatest concern is that those principles are being trampled on and ignored. Readers should note, however, that there are active members of The Church across the political spectrum. There are very thoughtful liberal Democrats and equally thoughtful conservative Republicans. That split is best exemplified by Henry Reid and Glenn Beck, both of whom are active members.

Moreover, there are increasing numbers of Japanese, Mexican, European, African, Chinese, India(n), and yes even Jewish and Arab members of The Church. All of these are also encouraged by The Church to honor and sustain the law in their own countries.

Having said all of that, nevertheless I think it a fair question to ask Mitt. I was acquainted with Mitt when he served as Bishop of the Belmont Ward. My perception is that he is a pragmatic utilitarian, like most CEOs and business consultants. Therefore, I believe the better question is what is his perception of, and commitment to, the principles of the Constitution.

How one can justify RomneyCare, ObamaCare, or the huge Federal bureaucratic apparatus on Constitutional grounds is beyond me. But that is where Mitt seems weakest and should be moved to the right.
16 posted on 02/06/2012 6:52:03 AM PST by LukeSW (The truth shall make you free!)
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To: ferv888

Nothing funny about the MPA. Fire a mormon and they have a meeting at their church and vote to boycott your business. Give a mormon a less than stellar evaluation and you receive a phone call from a higher-ranking mormon telling you to change the evaluation. Thank-you for bringing up the MPA and then writing about mormon bishops. It’s hard to stick to the issue when all you’re doing is spitting out propaganda. It’s a business, not a religion.


17 posted on 02/06/2012 7:12:15 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: LukeSW
Stopped reading here: The Church itself stays completely out of party politics.
18 posted on 02/06/2012 7:14:54 AM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: blueunicorn6
Nothing funny about the MPA. Fire a mormon and they have a meeting at their church and vote to boycott your business. Give a mormon a less than stellar evaluation and you receive a phone call from a higher-ranking mormon telling you to change the evaluation. Thank-you for bringing up the MPA and then writing about mormon bishops. It’s hard to stick to the issue when all you’re doing is spitting out propaganda. It’s a business, not a religion.

You must be living in an alternate universe. My experience is completely opposite of what you are suggesting. We have very good friends in our congregation. The husband is president of a local bank. My daughter who has just graduated from college needs a job. Our friend stays completely out of hiring decisions. Even when in this case, he really likes my daughter. She has interviewed a couple of times at the bank, and she is still looking for work.
19 posted on 02/06/2012 7:41:36 AM PST by LukeSW (The truth shall make you free!)
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To: ferv888

Second, the bishop has responsibility for the Aaronic Priesthood. The bishop’s duty “is to see that every boy is ordained a deacon at the right age, as well as a teacher, a priest and an elder,” President Monson said. He added, “The two words, labor and love, will work wonders in achieving this objective. For those who are behind schedule, I leave the challenge, ‘Reach out to rescue.’
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But what about the girls ???

Obama will eat him alive...


20 posted on 02/06/2012 7:49:21 AM PST by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Romney when he discriminates against me because I am a woman)
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To: svcw
Stopped reading here: The Church itself stays completely out of party politics.

Sarcasm noted. Nevertheless, it is true. Every election season, a letter is read in our Church meetings reiterating the Church's neutrality on political parties and campaigns. In addition, any member who is a political candidate is advised to keep Church and politics separate.

Obviously, people tend to vote for so-called "affinity" candidates. But that is true across the political spectrum. That is why education needs to be vastly improved in this country so that all citizens become better informed and better able to assess their own political preferences critically and accurately.
21 posted on 02/06/2012 7:49:55 AM PST by LukeSW (The truth shall make you free!)
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To: mitchell001; Jim Robinson
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22 posted on 02/06/2012 7:57:54 AM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: LukeSW
I disagree, regardless of the “letter”.
Would you be willing to show me one article published by the SLC lds that has ever been critical of Romney?

I have a huge lds family, everyone is supporting Romney because he is lds. My uncle tells me that the "church" is encouraging the support. Can't say it is overt, but it's there.

My oldest aunt has stared referring to Romney as Moses. Everyone of them that I have talked to believe Romney is the fulfillment of the White Horse prophesy. These two both say that this line is being pushed by the SLC lds.

I realize that every ward is different to some extent, my lds family is in the upper levels of lds, so maybe their frame of reference is different than yours.

You may wonder why they are so open about this, well one of my uncles said I am a "primitive", I am taking that as "you are just to stupid to understand lds". (I actually find it amusing.)

23 posted on 02/06/2012 8:24:08 AM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: svcw
I have a huge lds family, everyone is supporting Romney because he is lds.

My sample size is only one, but he keeps supporting Romney yet admits practically every day that Romney is not conservative.

24 posted on 02/06/2012 8:27:25 AM PST by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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To: mitchell001
Is this a fair question for Romney? What are your vows, promises and duties as Mormon bishop?

No.

First; a statement:

You have, I've heard, as a Faithful - I mean a Temple Worthy - MORMON, made certain VOWS in the Temple that are secret. I'm sorry, only SECRET to NON-mormons - they are considered SACRED to you.

Second; THEN the question:

Would you be able to discuss as to whether these VOWS would conflict in any way with your ability to carry out the VOWS that you would be making when taking the Oath of Office?

25 posted on 02/06/2012 8:35:57 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: thomas16
No Ralphy it is not

I like your well thought out reasonings here!

26 posted on 02/06/2012 8:38:00 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: svcw
“nothing secret”, now that’s funny.

What is funny about a LIE?

27 posted on 02/06/2012 8:39:13 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: LukeSW
But that is where Mitt seems weakest and should be moved to the right.

And where MORMONism is weakest; those facts are being shown in the Light of the pages of Free Republic.

28 posted on 02/06/2012 8:42:10 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: LukeSW
My greatest concern is that those principles are being trampled on and ignored.

I do so hate it when things get TRAMPLED!!



Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

29 posted on 02/06/2012 8:44:52 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: LukeSW
My greatest concern is that those principles are being trampled on and ignored.

I wonder if EMMA ever felt like SHE was getting TRAMPLED upon???


 
 
THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 132
 
  51–57, Emma Smith is counseled (commanded) to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.
 
 
  51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.
  52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.
  53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.
  54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and acleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be bdestroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.
  55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of beternal lives in the eternal worlds.
  56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid aforgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to brejoice
 
 
 
 

Whatever HAPPENED to Emma???
 
Eliza was a devout Mormon. At age 38, she became Joseph Smith's 14th plural wife (in addition to Smith's lawful wife, Emma). In 1842, after learning Eliza was pregnant, Emma Smith beat Eliza with a broomstick and knocked her down a flight of stairs, causing Eliza to miscarry Smith's baby.
 
 
Wow!!
 
 
I guess ol' Emma got VAPORIZED by GOD!!!
 
 
We know that multiply him thing sure didn't work out!



30 posted on 02/06/2012 8:46:00 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: LukeSW
You must be living in an alternate universe. My experience is completely opposite of what you are suggesting.

SOMEone sure is!

31 posted on 02/06/2012 8:47:42 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: LukeSW
In addition, any member who is a political candidate is advised to keep Church and politics separate.

I see...


Ezra Taft Benson


Ezra Taft Benson (August 4, 1899 – May 30, 1994) was the thirteenth president of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) from 1985 until his death and was United States Secretary of Agriculture for both terms of the presidency of Dwight D. Eisenhower.
 

In 1953, Benson was appointed U.S. Secretary of Agriculture by President Eisenhower. Benson accepted this position with the permission of Church President David O. McKay and therefore served simultaneously in the United States Cabinet and in the LDS Church's Quorum of the Twelve Apostles.
 
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezra_Taft_Benson


I guess ol' Ezra had PLENTY of 'time' to get all of HIS work done!

32 posted on 02/06/2012 8:50:02 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: LukeSW

“...and should be moved to the right.”

You are dreaming about moving him.
This is a man who has no core commitment to conservative ideals.
This is a man who appointed Democrat judges, instituted gay marriages
and agreed to instituting a healthcare mandate, etc.

Once he had the Presidency, the only movement will be to compromise
with Democrats.

He is a bad choice.


33 posted on 02/06/2012 8:51:18 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (I wouldnÂ’t vote for Romney for dog catcher if he was in a three way race against Lenin and Marx!)
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To: LukeSW
That is why education needs to be vastly improved in this country so that all citizens become better informed and better able to assess their own political preferences critically and accurately.

I agree whole heartedly with you here!

That is why we Flying Inmen are taking SO much of OUR time (without pay: just like a BISHOP), educating the unknowing about the lesser revealed things of MORMONism.

Things the Faith Building Posters seem to always leave out of their replys on FR.

34 posted on 02/06/2012 8:53:05 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: svcw

When John Kerry was running for president, the Orange County Catholic Paper had a big front page spread “The Catholic Candidate.”

A church will always back its members.

Other churches will always criticize the “other religions.”

Anybody read “Common Sense” lately? I recommend that 200+ year old pamphlet. We are missing it.


35 posted on 02/06/2012 8:53:33 AM PST by Loud Mime (When conceit and anger are part of your religion, it's a political movement, not a religion.)
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To: svcw

I don’t think you will be able to find any official letter coming from Church HQ critical of any politician, whatever the party. The LDS church does sometimes get involved in the political realm if it considers an important moral issue is at stake (e.g. Proposition 8 in CA), but won’t take an official position when party politics or individual candidates are involved.


36 posted on 02/06/2012 8:55:05 AM PST by Normandy
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To: LukeSW
The truth shall make you free!

I thought it was WORK?






37 posted on 02/06/2012 8:56:45 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Loud Mime
Other churches will always criticize the “other religions.”

And there is ONE that is fully built upon that foundation.

38 posted on 02/06/2012 8:59:41 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Normandy
I don’t think you will be able to find any official letter coming from Church HQ critical of any politician, whatever the party.

Why the reticence?

They do not seem to mine beiong 'critical' of CHRISTIANITY!

Seems as I recollect something about Hirelings of Satan...

39 posted on 02/06/2012 9:01:36 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Normandy
I don’t think you will be able to find any official letter coming from Church HQ critical of any politician, whatever the party.

Why the reticence?

They do not seem to mind being 'critical' of CHRISTIANITY!

Seems as I recollect something about Hirelings of Satan...

40 posted on 02/06/2012 9:02:02 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
You are dreaming about moving him. This is a man who has no core commitment to conservative ideals. This is a man who appointed Democrat judges, instituted gay marriages and agreed to instituting a healthcare mandate, etc. Once he had the Presidency, the only movement will be to compromise with Democrats. He is a bad choice.

I never said I support Romney. I have supported Cain and Santorum. What I said was intended to be helpful in understanding the man. Romney appears to be a pragmatic utilitarian. That means he seems to go with the most current cost/benefit analysis of whatever problem he is focusing on.

Personally, I don't think that is the way to run a country or restore what has been lost in America. But that is Mitt and his apparent mode of operating. It isn't a Mormon way or a Constitutional way, it is a MBA business executive way of running things.
41 posted on 02/06/2012 9:03:00 AM PST by LukeSW (The truth shall make you free!)
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To: Elsie
In addition, any member who is a political candidate is advised to keep Church and politics separate. I see...

Geez, Elsie. You might try sticking to relevant facts. Ezra Taft Benson was never a candidate for public office, he was providing a service to the country. He was very conservative and his policies were much more enlightened than the socialistic farm policies of the liberal Democrats.

Moreover, there are many members of The Church who serve with distinction in the military, in Government, in all walks of life, including sports, media, medicine, law, and yes, even in politics. My point was that while "affinity" trends are a fact of political campaigns, The Church does not involve itself in party politics and encourages members to become informed and involved, using their own agency and judgement.


42 posted on 02/06/2012 9:20:30 AM PST by LukeSW (The truth shall make you free!)
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To: ferv888

This is an apparent diversion, to steer people from looking at the real insidious title Mitt and other Mormon males hold and the oaths they swear to be in that function, that of High Priest in the Melchizadek priesthood. Momronism is a religion fashioned along lines of the spirit of anti-Christ, and Mitt Romney is a hgigh priest in that religion.


43 posted on 02/06/2012 9:39:35 AM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: ferv888
This is an apparent diversion, to steer people from looking at the real insidious title Mitt and other Mormon males hold and the oaths they swear to be in that function, that of High Priest in the Melchizedek priesthood. Mormonism is a religion fashioned along lines of the spirit of Antichrist, and Mitt Romney is a high priest in that religion.
44 posted on 02/06/2012 9:41:49 AM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: LukeSW
I figure it's just how you were taught....or brought up. But, I just find it interesting...that mormon's capitalize "The Church"...but then in your tag line...you don't bother to capitalize "The Truth"...which considering that is one of the many names for Jesus Christ....

It sure seems like I see that your church when named is ALWAYS capitalized....over and over with mormons. But rather lax...when mentioning Jesus.

Can I ask....why is that? When I mention my church...I don't capitalize it. It comes across...as you all think your church IS THE ONE AND ONLY CHURCH........and all others are inferior.

But on the other hand...you want all others to recognize mormonism as Christian too.

Seems a bit double minded, to me.

45 posted on 02/06/2012 11:14:12 AM PST by Osage Orange (A clear conscience is the sign of a fuzzy memory.)
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To: roylene

Info you requested:

White Horse Prophesy

In 1855, Brigham Young wrote that “when the Constitution of the United States hangs, as it were, upon a single thread, they will have to call for the ‘Mormon’ Elders to save it from utter destruction; and they will step forth and do it.”

In 1858, Orson Hyde wrote that Smith believed “the time would come when the Constitution and the country would be in danger of an overthrow; and ... if the Constitution be saved at all, it will be by the elders of [the LDS] Church”.

In 1922, the LDS Church’s fifth presiding bishop, Charles W. Nibley, stated that “the day would come when there would be so much of disorder, of secret combinations taking the law into their own hands, tramping [sic] upon Constitutional rights and the liberties of the people, that the Constitution would hang as by a thread. Yes, but it will still hang, and there will be enough of good people, many who may not belong to our Church at all, people who have respect for law and for order, and for Constitutional rights, who will rally around with us and save the Constitution.”

In 1928, Melvin J. Ballard remarked that “the prophet Joseph Smith said the time will come when, through secret organizations taking the law into their own hands ... the Constitution of the United States would be so torn and rent asunder, and life and property and peace and security would be held of so little value, that the Constitution would, as it were, hang by a thread. This Constitution will be preserved, but it will be preserved very largely in consequence of what the Lord has revealed and what [the Mormons], through listening to the Lord and being obedient, will help to bring about, to stabilize and give permanency and effect to the Constitution itself. That also is our mission.”


Yep, what Romney believes is important.


46 posted on 02/06/2012 11:36:09 AM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: LukeSW
You might try sticking to relevant facts.

But THAT would not reveal the "un"relevant ones!

47 posted on 02/06/2012 11:37:04 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: LukeSW
...he was providing a service to the country.

And I am quite sure that this is the same thing that Mitt would claim as well.

48 posted on 02/06/2012 11:38:07 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: svcw

THANX


49 posted on 02/06/2012 11:39:02 AM PST by roylene (Salvation the great Gift of Grace.)
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To: Osage Orange
I figure it's just how you were taught....or brought up.

No, my belief and testimony of the Savior and of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is based on far more personal explorations, trials, spiritual experiences and observations than "how I was brought up."

As for my tag line, if you Google the phrase, you will find there are some 15 or 16 translations of the Bible listed for John 8:32. All of them use a lowercase t for the word truth, just as I have done in my tag line. No offense or slight of Christ and His name is intended at all.

As for the use of the capitalization of the word The, that is from the legal name of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. So the term "The Church" is a proper shorthand.

Last, yes we do say The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the true church of Jesus restored to the earth in the latter days. But unlike all of the other sects I know of, we do not say or imply pejorative judgements of other religions. For example, we don't say or imply you are going to hell if you are a Baptist, Catholic or Muslim. Quite the contrary. We fully recognize that our Father in Heaven loves all of his children here on earth. And we believe all will have the opportunity of understanding and learning about the fullness of the gospel of Jesus Christ. If not in this life, in the hereafter. And by all, I mean all who now consider themselves Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Tao, or any other religion, including atheists.

My guess is that you and the vast majority of those on Freepers who seek to find fault with The Church, have had your own wonderful spiritual experiences in life. If we were to have a conversation, I would be delighted to hear of them for I know that is a clear signal of how much the Lord loves you and wants you to learn more about Him, even though we don't see eye to eye.
50 posted on 02/06/2012 12:15:41 PM PST by LukeSW (The truth shall make you free!)
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