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"Were you lying then, or are you lying now?"
Free Republic Exclusive | February 13, 2012 | Lancey Howard

Posted on 02/12/2012 11:20:42 PM PST by Lancey Howard

On Friday, Ann Coulter turned up on Medved's radio show to talk about Mitt Romney. During the interview Coulter claimed that conservatives aren't going for Mitt because he's "too square". Coulter has not only jumped the shark by endorsing Romney in the first place, she's gone stupid.

Conservatives don't like Romney for one obvious, glaring reason: he can't be trusted.

Ann (along with many other Romney supporters) has become expert at providing lame excuses and explanations for Romney's past proclamations that he was "more gay-friendly" than Teddy Kennedy, has "always supported a woman's right to choose", and "doesn't want to go back to Reagan". Mitt once actually called HIMSELF a "moderate". Most of the excuses amount to, "He was running for Senator (or later, Governor) of liberal Massachusetts! He HAD to say those things to get elected!" Okay. Unfortunately for Coulter and the rest of the excuse-makers, most conservatives have seen enough TV cop shows to know that if Romney was in court and on the stand, the first thing any competent lawyer would do is lean into Mitt's face, stare him in the eye, and ask sternly, "Were you lying then, or are you lying now?"

And it is a perfectly valid question.

If Mitt "only said those things because he was running for election in a liberal state", then why shouldn't it be presumed that what he is saying NOW he is saying only because he is running for the GOP nomination?

Bottom line: conservatives are not rejecting Romney because he's "too square"; conservatives are rejecting Romney because they do not trust him. He is viewed by many, if not most, conservatives as a pandering political whore who will say whatever he thinks his audience wants to hear. There is simply no evidence that Romney has core convictions.

Add to this "trust factor" the many other problematic aspects of a Romney candidacy - - his reputation as the architect of Obamacare, the inevitable media portrayal of Bain Capital's Romney as "Chainsaw Mitt", and the numerous mind-numbing flip-flops of the kind that made a laughingstock of John Kerry's campaign - - and Romney becomes just another "hold your nose" GOP candidate who can never be expected to generate the kind of passion among the electorate that is necessary to dump an incumbent President, even one as destructive and corrupt as Obama.

Romney cannot win depending primarily on the "dump Obama" vote. And you can absolutely count on the Democrats joining in on the chorus: "Were you lying then, Governor Romney, or are you lying now?"


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1 posted on 02/12/2012 11:20:47 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

vanity bump


2 posted on 02/12/2012 11:22:03 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

Once more...


3 posted on 02/12/2012 11:25:38 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

Do you know how you can tell when Mitt Romney is lying?


4 posted on 02/12/2012 11:25:48 PM PST by RC one (the majority of republicans agree, anyone but Romney.)
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To: Lancey Howard

The evidence of Mitt’s life is that he was raised liberal, by liberal parents (who were battered and mocked by the right), and is naturally inclined to liberalism by his own personal nature.

If anything stirs him politically, Mitt seems to be driven by an anti-conservatism, a hostility to American conservatives.


5 posted on 02/12/2012 11:28:00 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: RC one
This is an old cartoon, so don't forget the "Pro-Communist Health Care" and "Anti-Communist Health Care" podiums. Oh! And the "Pro-Government Union" and "Anti-Government Union", and the "Pro-Global Warming" and "Anti-Global Warming" podiums, too:


6 posted on 02/12/2012 11:28:18 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: ansel12

Yes, Mitt said his mother taught him to be “pro-choice”, and his father was a liberal governor.

Plus Mitt’s own father, George, was born in Mexico, so you can count on the rats and La Raza beating him over the head with that little hammer whenever he talks about addressing the ongoing invasion of illegal aliens.


7 posted on 02/12/2012 11:32:40 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: ansel12

There are just too many ways that this guy Romney is wrong.
The Republicans need to get it right this time.
The survival of the America we grew up in literally hangs in the balance.


8 posted on 02/12/2012 11:34:54 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

9 posted on 02/12/2012 11:34:59 PM PST by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: ansel12

Many Republicans are that, simply because they can’t possibly see themselves as Democrats. So they are the one, simply to avoid the other. Mitt is a classic RINO in hiding. Do you know how hard it is to hide a RINO? Coulter et al provide much-needed cover. Add her beside my tagline’s protagonist below.


10 posted on 02/12/2012 11:37:30 PM PST by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can still go to hell.)
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To: HMS Surprise

Some “cover” that leaves the RINO exposed for what it is.


11 posted on 02/12/2012 11:43:36 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: HMS Surprise

Romney told the abortion movement in private, (and homosexual leaders) to trust him as a stealth supporter, to just get him into the White House so that he could then deliver on his true, and necessarily secret, agenda.

NYT about Romney running for Governor in 2002, but referencing a greater national role: “At the end of the private session, when it became clear that the group was going to endorse Mr. Romney’s Democratic opponent, he surprised its leaders by saying he could be a “good voice” and the most effective national Republican leader on abortion, said Melissa Kogut, a former Naral official who has detailed notes from the meeting.

“I thought, ‘That’s interesting. He’s running for governor, and he’s trying to convince us to get behind him because of the role he is going to play on the national stage,’ ” she said. “We left the meeting feeling pretty good.”


12 posted on 02/13/2012 12:04:42 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: Lancey Howard

Should we have trusted Ronald Reagan when he changed from many years as a democrat and a union official to conservative sounding republican? Should we believe in a war hawk Robert McNamara during Viet-Nam war conversion into a profound pacifist in later years?

My answer is some transformations are genuine and some are suspect. Flip flop once and you are still in the game. Flip flop twice on the same issue and you are out for good.


13 posted on 02/13/2012 12:07:49 AM PST by entropy12 (Islam is intolerant of every other religion.)
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To: RC one

Well, he’s a dodo bird, so I don’t know.


14 posted on 02/13/2012 12:18:29 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: entropy12

So.... Make the case for your guy.


15 posted on 02/13/2012 12:20:23 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Vendome

No one seems to be able to make a case for this guy. It’s all about his supposed “electability” in November.


16 posted on 02/13/2012 12:26:33 AM PST by Buddy Sorrell (It's Algebra, Uncle Fletcher.)
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To: ansel12
How Conservative is Anne Romney?? The WIVES are ULTRA important in how a President will govern. If the wife is moderately liberal, like Laura Bush, the Pres. will govern that way. The wives hold the sway.

Is Rick's wife, Karen, a real conservative?? Is Callista?? Look to the wives to see what they will do.

17 posted on 02/13/2012 12:46:14 AM PST by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Buddy Sorrell

Certain amount of entropy is involved .....


18 posted on 02/13/2012 12:47:33 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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Psssst!!!

19 posted on 02/13/2012 12:51:35 AM PST by Bradís Gramma (PRAY for this country like your life depends on it....)
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To: Ann Archy

Personally, I would want a President who is not easily swayed by his wife.
Was Nancy as conservative as Ronnie?


20 posted on 02/13/2012 12:51:45 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: entropy12

Please tell me you’re not trying to compare Mittens to Reagan..


21 posted on 02/13/2012 12:55:02 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Brad's Gramma

Been there done that.
Thanks for your support.

FRegards,
LH


22 posted on 02/13/2012 12:57:13 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard
Absolutely as conservative. That's why those two kids HATED her too.

Man, you must not be married or.....wives are the MOST IMPORTANT people in their lives......why the HELL wouldn't they liusten to them?

23 posted on 02/13/2012 1:04:18 AM PST by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Lancey Howard

Oh oh....did I accidently post TO you??? I tried to remove people’s names...

Thank YOU for helping FR...

BG


24 posted on 02/13/2012 1:19:10 AM PST by Bradís Gramma (PRAY for this country like your life depends on it....)
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To: Brad's Gramma
Oh oh....did I accidently post TO you???

Actually, you didn't. I just saw that it was a reply to post #1 and replied.
My error - - you DID remove my name.

FRegards,
LH

25 posted on 02/13/2012 1:21:29 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

OK. Phew!! I did that one time, unintentionally...and really hurt someone’s feelings. The poster was out of work and felt bad enough as it was.

:(


26 posted on 02/13/2012 1:22:49 AM PST by Bradís Gramma (PRAY for this country like your life depends on it....)
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To: Ann Archy

(shrug) My wife takes her cue from me (I think?) when it comes to things political.


27 posted on 02/13/2012 1:23:03 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard; onyx; dixiechick2000; ntnychik; potlatch; devolve
Nice quote of Charles Laughton in Witness for the Prosecution. Ann Coulter is gaga for Mitt-- Soros has no objections.


28 posted on 02/13/2012 1:25:42 AM PST by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: Lancey Howard

Every political wife is up on politics......it’s their LIFE.


29 posted on 02/13/2012 1:26:14 AM PST by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: entropy12

Okay, when Romney has a 20 year record of being a clear voice in defense of conservatism then I’ll believe his conversion as sincere.

Reagan’s conversion was complete long, long, long before he sought the presidency. Romney’s conversion only came about once he started running for president.

And McNamara, wasn’t running for anything when he went Looney, he was just following the rest of his party which went from staunch anti-commie, to pro commie.


30 posted on 02/13/2012 1:42:04 AM PST by NavVet ("You Lie!")
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To: Lancey Howard

Oh, yeah, and Santorum’s not too square?


31 posted on 02/13/2012 2:42:08 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Lancey Howard

Well, he IS square.


32 posted on 02/13/2012 2:50:45 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: Lancey Howard

Who needs to judge Romney’s past? For me you simply cannot be conservative and be for a minimum wage, let alone indexing it.

Also, if your tax policy draws a line at $200,000, you have thrown tax REFORM out the window.


33 posted on 02/13/2012 3:24:22 AM PST by wayoverontheright
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To: Lancey Howard

I am not going for Romney because #1 he is Not a conservative; #2 IF he is a man of convictions -his convictions seem at odds with his professed Mormon faith. # 3 he has a record of making bad mistakes for political gain. i.e. Romney Care; same sex marriage; abortion; 2nd Amendment rights; liberal judges—etc.
If I wanted to vote for Obama in Nov. I would vote for Obama And not just change the name of the mere politician. If I wanted the Democratic Party— and the already captured Media elite to dictate who America can vote for I would go for Romney because they have already selected Romney -just like they did Obama.


34 posted on 02/13/2012 3:50:57 AM PST by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: Lancey Howard

Yeah Ann, that’s why conservatives are now going for Santorum, he a bad boy.


35 posted on 02/13/2012 4:21:17 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Lancey Howard
I've asked one guy I know who came out in support for Mitt romney a simple question - please name the achievement you admire him for the most while he was governor of MA. This is the only true litmus test we have of him as a leader, so there must be something there that you find particularly good.

He vacillated briefly and then launched into what romney did for the olympics. I explained I discard that effort entirely as that was not my question - what did he do, when in power, that you found particularly effective that makes you believe he would be a worthy leader.

Would you believe he said "romneycare"?

Destroying his argument piece by piece from there was child's play. He is still very PO'd with me. I went into detail about how romney destroyed MA's economy, his liberal record and other disasters tied to romney forever.

He should be embarrassed...a grown man embracing such idiocy is disgusting. OTOH, he has not brought romney up again. I will jump on him the second he does, facts are difficult things to overcome.

36 posted on 02/13/2012 4:24:58 AM PST by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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To: entropy12

If you are advocating romney having destroyed his chances because he’s a weak sister, you should be ashamed of yourself.


37 posted on 02/13/2012 4:26:05 AM PST by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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To: Lancey Howard

Coulter is turning into the GOP’s version of Wasserman-Schultz...


38 posted on 02/13/2012 5:32:49 AM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: Lancey Howard
Romney is one of those Liberals who honestly thinks they are a Conservative.

You know the type. Good Christians or Jews, with successful careers, nice families, & just generally nice, respectable people. Many are quite "conservative" in their daily lives.

But they also have a streak of Nanny running the length of their bodies. They are busy bodies, never content to mind their own business. Every problem is new, requiring new law. Individual problems are public problems. Gov't knows best. Gov’t is always the answer.

39 posted on 02/13/2012 5:38:50 AM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Lancey Howard

The Republicans need to get it right this time.

Yes but these are your choices:
Manager Mitt
Saint Rick
Think tank Newt
Crazy Uncle Ron
With this lineup I am afraid too many folks are going to say None of the Above come November.


40 posted on 02/13/2012 5:40:22 AM PST by csmusaret (I have kleptomania, but when it gets too bad I take something.)
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To: Ann Archy

You have discovered the philosopher’s stone of the last 150 years of American politics.

In my experience, though, 99.99% of conservatives would disagree.


41 posted on 02/13/2012 5:44:17 AM PST by ngat
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To: Lancey Howard

Dear Ann; got some good news for you and some bad news for you. The good news is that you’re going to be on Mitt’s planet when he becomes god. The bad news is that you’re going to be a roll of toilet paper.


42 posted on 02/13/2012 6:03:15 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: entropy12

Romney hasn’t flipped the first time yet. Saying something isn’t doing something. He is still a lib, still a RINO, and still the arch-nemesis of conservatives. Reagan spent decades FIGHTING for conservatism. Romney has spent a few cycles fighting to convince conservatives that he doesn’t need to prove himself. Sorry, we do have other options.


43 posted on 02/13/2012 6:07:19 AM PST by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can still go to hell.)
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To: Lancey Howard

Ann is appearing more desperate all the time. I’d have never believed this of her 4-5 years ago. Never. It is embarrassing to watch this.


44 posted on 02/13/2012 6:22:22 AM PST by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: Lancey Howard

It’s been said on FR before. I’ll say it here again.

There is a possibility that Ann Coulter is log cabin. It would certainly explain her infatuation with Chris Christie and Mitt Romney.


45 posted on 02/13/2012 6:29:29 AM PST by samtheman
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To: csmusaret

Yes but these are your choices:
Manager Mitt
Saint Rick
Think tank Newt
Crazy Uncle Ron
With this lineup I am afraid too many folks are going to say None of the Above come November.

How about a draft of “Been there, done that” Sarah?
Cleaned up her own party.
Got major concessions from the oil companies, which
Provided extra income for Alaska citizens.
Was the only reason the 2008 election was that close.


46 posted on 02/13/2012 7:24:34 AM PST by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: JimRed

I think a lot of folks are sick of Sarah’s voice. Not her message but the sound of her voice. Consequently many won’t listen to her.


47 posted on 02/13/2012 7:39:15 AM PST by csmusaret (I have kleptomania, but when it gets too bad I take something.)
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To: JimRed
Manager Mitt

This is politics and government, that means Romney is trying to go from Governor to President, as Governor, Romney was a total failure, and left with 34% approval, left his party shattered and reduced, and the democrats have owned his seat ever since.

I would use the label 'Failed Governor' for him.

48 posted on 02/13/2012 7:41:20 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: Lancey Howard
"portrayal of Bain Capital's Romney as "Chainsaw Mitt"

Excerpts from http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204331304577140850713493694.html

"The Wall Street Journal, aiming for a comprehensive assessment, examined 77 businesses Bain invested in while Mr. Romney led the firm from its 1984 start until early 1999, to see how they fared during Bain's involvement and shortly afterward.

Among the findings: 22% either filed for bankruptcy reorganization or closed their doors by the end of the eighth year after Bain first invested, sometimes with substantial job losses. An additional 8% ran into so much trouble that all of the money Bain invested was lost.

Another finding was that Bain produced stellar returns for its investors—yet the bulk of these came from just a small number of its investments. Ten deals produced more than 70% of the dollar gains.

Some of those companies, too, later ran into trouble. Of the 10 businesses on which Bain investors scored their biggest gains, four later landed in bankruptcy court."

In other words 40% of the companies bought and sold by Bain Capital were broken in in the process.

What I want to know is: WHERE are the 100,000 jobs Romney claimed to have "created"???

49 posted on 02/13/2012 7:49:25 AM PST by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Marguerite
Interesting fact: Utah, which promotes it's mormon citizens as comprising 70-75% of the state's population, leads the nation per capita in chapter 11 bankruptcies.

Utah also leads the nation in per capita murder rates, rapes, child abuse, and antidepressant use.

50 posted on 02/13/2012 7:55:43 AM PST by AnTiw1 (I lived through a mormon hell, I will not live in a country with a mormon president.)
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