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Why Are Record Numbers Of Young Adults Jobless And Living At Home With Mom And Dad?
The Economic Collapse ^ | 02/14/2012 | Michael Snyder

Posted on 02/14/2012 9:00:34 AM PST by SeekAndFind

In the United States today, unemployment among those age 18 to age 34 is at epidemic levels and the number of young adults that are now living at home with Mom and Dad is at an all-time high. So why are so many of our young adults jobless? Why are record numbers of them unable or unwilling to move out on their own? Well, there are quite a few factors at work. Number one, our education system has completely and totally failed them. As I have written about previously, our education system is a joke and most high school graduates these days are simply not prepared to function at even a very basic level in our society. In addition, college education in the United States has become a giant money making scam that leaves scores of college graduates absolutely drowning in debt. Many young adults end up moving back in with Mom and Dad because they are drowning in so much debt that there are no other options. Thirdly, the number of good jobs continues to decline and this is hitting younger Americans the hardest. Millions of young people enter the workforce excited about the future only to find that there are hordes of applicants for the very limited number of decent jobs that are actually available. So all of this is creating an environment where more young adults are financially dependent on their parents that ever before in modern American history.

Since the start of the recession, the percentage of young adults in America that are employed has dropped like a rock. In 2007, the employment rate for Americans between the ages of 18 and 24 was 62.4 percent. Today, it is down to 54.3 percent.

Yes, there are certainly many out there that are lazy, but the truth is that most of them would like to work if they could. It is just that it is much harder to find a job these days.

And it isn't just young people that think that the job market has gotten tougher. According to one recent survey, 82 percent of all Americans believe that it is harder for young adults to find jobs today than it was for their parents to find jobs.

But if they cannot get jobs, then young adults cannot financially support themselves. So more of them than ever are heading back home to live with Mom and Dad.

In the year 2000, 8.3 percent of all American women between the ages of 25 and 34 were living at home with their parents. Today, that figure is up to 9.7 percent.

In the year 2000, 12.9 percent of all American men between the ages of 25 and 34 were living at home with their parents. Today, that figure is up to an astounding 18.6 percent.

Take a moment and let those statistics sink in.

Nearly one out of every five American men from age 25 to age 34 are living at home with Mommy and Daddy.

When you look at Americans age 18 to age 24, it is even worse. Among Americans age 18 to age 24, 50 percent of all women and 59 percent of all men still live with their parents.

Those are very frightening numbers.

Part of this has to do with a fundamental cultural shift. An increasing number of parents these days expect that they will have to take care of their own children beyond the age of 22. The following is from a recent article by Pew Research....

When asked in a 1993 survey what age children should be financially independent from their parents, 80% of parents said children have to be self-reliant by age 22. In the current survey, only 67% of parents say children have to be financially independent by age 22—a drop of 13 percentage points.

But what accounts for the tremendous gender disparity that we see in the figures above?

Well, one major factor is that young women are now far more likely to pursue a college education than young men are. According to an article in the New York Times, women now account for approximately 57 percent of all enrollments at U.S. colleges and universities.

The less education you have, the more likely you are to be unemployed in America today. So that is certainly a significant factor.

But many that have gone on to college are also moving back home. When you are a young adult with no job and no prospects and you are swamped with tens of thousands of dollars of student loan debt, it can be incredibly difficult to be financially independent.

After adjusting for inflation, U.S. college students are now borrowing about twice as much money as they did a decade ago. Many students that go on to graduate school end up with more than $100,000 in total student loan debt.

Sadly, those degrees often do not pay off. In fact, in America today one-third of all college graduates end up taking jobs that don't even require college degrees.

So what does all of this mean?

It means that there are millions upon millions of angry, disillusioned and frustrated young adults out there today. A recent USA Today article told the story of 32-year-old Dennis Hansen....

After a year without work, Hansen, 32, was hired to monitor Lake Michigan and Lake Superior water for the state and federal governments over two summers. He also had short stints as a census worker and as an extra post office hand during one holiday crush.

It hasn't been enough: Hansen says he has a $13,000 credit card debt and that's just for basics — his $600 monthly mortgage, heat and food.

"It's definitely a roller coaster," Hansen says, with the ups coming when he's done well in a job interview and the downs when there's a rejection: "That's when I'm frustrated, angry and wondering why I went to college for 10 years."

If the economy was humming along on all cylinders, it would be easy to blame our young adults for being too lazy.

But these days most young adults have to scramble like crazy just to get a really low paying job. Large numbers of very talented young adults are waiting tables, flipping burgers or stocking shelves at Wal-Mart.

And this reality is reflected in the overall economic statistics. Since the year 2000, incomes for U.S. households led by someone between the ages of 25 and 34 have fallen by about 12 percent after you adjust for inflation.

The "wealth gap" between younger Americans and older Americans is also growing and recently hit a new all-time high. U.S. households led by someone 65 years of age or older are now 47 times wealthier than U.S. households led by someone 35 years of age or younger.

But this is not good for our society. When there is civil unrest, it is not those 65 and older that take to the streets.

We desperately need our economy to get healthy again so that our young adults can get good jobs, get married, set up households, raise families and be productive members of society.

Instead, the percentage of young adults that have jobs is near an all-time low, the percentage of young adults living with their parents is at an all-time high, the proportion of adults in the United States that are married is at an all-time low and we have hordes of angry, frustrated young adults with plenty of time on their hands.

You don't have to be a genius to see trouble on the horizon.

What is going to happen when the next major financial crisis comes and the economy gets significantly worse than it is now?

In the end, we are going to reap what we have sown. We have fundamentally failed our young adults, and those failures are going to produce some very bitter fruit.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Society
KEYWORDS: jobs; unemployment; youth
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1 posted on 02/14/2012 9:00:36 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
We don't have to look too far to see why this is happening.

Hopefully these new basement dwellers will see the same thing and vote accordingly in Nov.

2 posted on 02/14/2012 9:05:35 AM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I read every word of this article. I wish I could say this is not true. I wish I could say this report is full of cheese.

But I can’t. Sad to say - this is the reality for millions of young people.

I know. I have a 25 year old and a 19 year old living at home with little to no prospects.


3 posted on 02/14/2012 9:06:22 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This mean Liberals and/or Libertarians (Same Thing) NO LIBS.))
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To: SeekAndFind
This is the FACTION the Republicans must strip away from the Democrats.

All they have to do is say "We will fix this first".

The Obamistas still deny the Great Obama Recession is the Great Obama Depression for young people. In fact, the Obots think they can "buy" these young people with promises of free condoms.

4 posted on 02/14/2012 9:08:15 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: SeekAndFind

My daughter just graduated from college in December. She’s never been unemployed since she started college. She’s worked both in retail and in her chosen field (exotic animal rescue, rehab and habitat) and she’s earning a decent living. She knows she will need to be on her own before the year is out, and if that means sharing an apartment with roommates, then that’s what it means. She knows she can’t afford to buy a house yet and that all of her bills are her responsibility.

I have a problem with the victimhood perspective of this article. Life’s not supposed to be easy, young adults aren’t supposed to be able to simply continue living as comfortably as they did when they were their parents’ responsibility, and nobody told my kids they were entitled to only have one job at a time. If they need more money, they either cut out what’s costing them extra or they go get a second job.

How hard is that, really?


5 posted on 02/14/2012 9:09:23 AM PST by jagusafr ("Write in Palin and prepare for war...")
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To: SeekAndFind

Education failure


6 posted on 02/14/2012 9:11:32 AM PST by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways a Guero y Guay Lao << >> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yeah, but let’s not forget that it is these very same “young people” that VOTED FOR ALL THIS HOPE AND CHANGE. They have nobody to blame except the person in the mirror.


7 posted on 02/14/2012 9:12:08 AM PST by eyeamok
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To: SeekAndFind
"That's when I'm frustrated, angry and wondering why I went to college for 10 years."

"Seven years of college, down the drain." - Senator Blutarski

8 posted on 02/14/2012 9:13:47 AM PST by circlecity
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To: SeekAndFind

How times have changed.

When I was in college, being an engineer was a respectable career. You sacrificed a social life for 4/5 years and busted yoru butt to got your degree. Then you got a job, refined your skills to align with your job; performed your duties responsibly - and you could plan on having that job until you retired, or found a better offer. Job security was fantastic, and job stability was pretty much assumed.

Today, you do your job, you work your over-time, you refine your skills - and you show up to work to find that your department has been out-sourced to India. Or you find that your company’s profits weren’t as high as some nameless entity on Wall Street had predicted, so you are laid off. Or the company has decided to elimate your department, or you are fired so they can bring in new and cheaper workers to use the tools you have developed. All in the name of progress.

Meanwhile, the Business Degree folk, who gambled on an idea, or made short-sighted decisons remain employed only to screw up again, and again, and again.

The World Economy that the Democrats have championed is a race to the bottom. While the living standards in China and India are getting better - the standards in the USA are plummetting to parity with the 3rd world. Unions have killed manufacturing in the USA; the Teacher’s Unions have killed any chance of our children getting a useable education, and colleges have made a fallacy of the College Degree by offering everyone a degree that has no economic value upon graduation, that students will need to repay the loans they took to take courses in “Women Studies”, “Theater Lighting”, “Wildlife Management”, “Child Development” and “Psychology”


9 posted on 02/14/2012 9:13:47 AM PST by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: eyeamok

They wanted change....THEY GOT IT!!!


10 posted on 02/14/2012 9:14:35 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: jagusafr

I’m not sure that you understand how bad it is out there, but regardless, whether obama gets another term or not may not matter too much, as I’ve not seen anything proposed by the remaining candidates that would significantly change things.


11 posted on 02/14/2012 9:15:11 AM PST by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: ├čudda├čudd

It’s easy to poke fun at “mom and dad’s basement” and to chime in about laziness, but I think you’ve nailed it.

Education takes many forms, including the “go get a summer job” many of us heard from our parents, to the counselors that sell the idea of lifetime earning being so much higher with a college degree, to the family members who vicariously live their kids lives by sending them to expensive private schools or tolerating a party lifestyle in dorms and frats instead of insisting the first two years be spent at a local community college, while working part time.

And yes, the teachers in the classroom who fill impressionable young minds with liberal mush are part of the problem. But think about it and I bet most of us would agree it’s the family and other influences that are stronger forces leading to “educational failure”.


12 posted on 02/14/2012 9:16:43 AM PST by bigbob
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To: jagusafr

And to think that a significant number of these yopung people vote for and admire nobama. It will be interesting to hear their tune ten years from now.


13 posted on 02/14/2012 9:16:58 AM PST by hal ogen (1st Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Sadly, those degrees often do not pay off. In fact, in America today one-third of all college graduates end up taking jobs that don’t even require college degrees.”

Employers use a ‘college degree’ the way they used to use a high school diiploma, to screen out applicants.

In the end you may be doing work which anyone off the street can do with about a weeks training.... it is sort of a rigged system.

Colleges make lots of money conning kids into thinking they won’t get past the door with employers unless they have a degree. Employers give out that they will only consider college graduates for work that in fact, can be taught once hireees begin employment.

THAT said... public schools have so far failed students by now that a college degree puts graduates on a par with what HS graduates USED to be


14 posted on 02/14/2012 9:16:58 AM PST by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: SeekAndFind
The minimum wage is the fundamental cause. It prices entry-level workers out of the job market. In order to climb the ladder, you have to get on the first rung, and the minimum wage thwarts that.

The minimum wage was invented to do one thing; protect white unionized construction workers from competition from black, non-unionized construction workers, who were paid less (blacks were banned from union membership during the 1930s).

The year the minimum wage law went into effect was the last year the unemployment rate of blacks was lower than that for whites.

15 posted on 02/14/2012 9:18:22 AM PST by Joe the Pimpernel (Too many lawmakers, too many laws, too many lawyers.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
My youngest daughter graduated from college in December of 2009. She took a lot of honors classes and college credit courses in high school, and then worked her tail off again to graduate within 3 1/2 years from college. She also worked as an RA for two years which really helped with our college costs and hers. She got out, put together her resume, sent out hundreds of copies. Got zero response.

After that disappointment and looking at the state of our economy, she used some of the student loan that was left over to get herself certified to teach overseas and then started that job search (also took an immersion Japanese language course). Finally, in February of 2011 she was offered a job in Japan and is now residing there and teaching English.

She was living at home, but she really was ready to be out and working and living in an apartment of her own. But, there simply were no jobs available.

She is thinking of staying overseas for another year. I believe she is hoping that Zero will be voted out of office and she can come back and get a job in the U.S. It has been a sobering experience for her, and while she was living at home waiting for some news on her job applications, she started reading Ayn Rand. So Zero ended up making her something of a libertarian.

My oldest daughter has kept the job she had; but, she had a plan which included getting experience in this area and then moving to the next step on the ladder as she was trying to climb to the position that she really wanted to finally end up at. Unfortunately, she has also been "stuck" in that position and is finding that there are no openings in the next level. This is really hitting everyone in different ways.

16 posted on 02/14/2012 9:19:00 AM PST by LibertarianLiz
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To: ├čudda├čudd
"Education failure"

BINGO! Have you ever seen a recent grad try to fill out a resume? Many can't spell or articulate their thoughts. The majority don't know the difference between "there and their" or, "your and you're".

17 posted on 02/14/2012 9:19:42 AM PST by Baynative (Please check this out - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFIcZkEzc8I)
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To: SeekAndFind
"Why Are Record Numbers Of Young Adults Jobless And Living At Home With Mom And Dad?"


18 posted on 02/14/2012 9:19:46 AM PST by avacado
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To: bigbob

I believe the Minimum Wage has played a huge role in this....why hire a teenager for a job at such a high wage, when there are adults who are willing to work at that wage?

The teenager working a summer job is going the way of the Dodo Bird, so they come out of college with no work experience, whereas before, working summer jobs actually prepared them better for the real world.

There should be a lower minimum wage for people under the age of 18....ahhhh, but the Unions will never allow anything to put downward pressure on wages.


19 posted on 02/14/2012 9:20:15 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: jagusafr

You forget too the reason for all this shinola is the GOV’T.

It wasn’t that long ago that the man was able to afford the home, car and also allowed the wife able to rear their young; to get out into the real world without both feet being swiped out from under them, and STILL have some $$ left over....

Hell, couples were off on their own, married and happily living the American dream @ 18 (or younger!).

GOV’T and TAXES, as we were warned, were/are the downfall of the U.S. (HELLO Greece... :S)


20 posted on 02/14/2012 9:24:52 AM PST by i_robot73
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To: SeekAndFind

“Why Are Record Numbers Of Young Adults Jobless And Living At Home With Mom And Dad?”

WELL DUH....
Young people committed ECONOMIC SUICIDE by voting for Democrats in 2006, and Obama in 2008.

some lessons have to be learned the hard way, like my generation learned under Carter, to cut through the MSM bulls***t.


21 posted on 02/14/2012 9:25:26 AM PST by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: ├čudda├čudd

Election failure.


22 posted on 02/14/2012 9:26:15 AM PST by himno hero (Obamas theme...Death to America...The crusaders will pay!)
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To: dfwgator

They wanted change....THEY GOT IT!!!


Unfortunately, most don’t understand why that “change” is for the worse.


23 posted on 02/14/2012 9:28:03 AM PST by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: SeekAndFind

capitalism is a system through which EVERYONE has the CHANCE to succeed.

of course, this makes one assumption...

that you have the mental tools with which to compete

if you don’t have the mental tools... the system can seem ‘unfair’ to you. of course, to obtain these tools... you rely on the democrat controlled dept of education

so the question of why so many young ‘adults’ are living at home is simple... they don’t have the tools with which to compete.


24 posted on 02/14/2012 9:28:38 AM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: SeekAndFind

Because they are getting free Bammy money to go to school.


25 posted on 02/14/2012 9:40:03 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Obama's War on Prosperity is killing me)
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To: jagusafr
If they need more money, they either cut out what’s costing them extra or they go get a second job. How hard is that, really?

Well, if there are jobs - getting a second job isn't that hard at all. But, there are a few fact you are not considering.

For starters, there are literally dozens or hundreds of unemployed/experienced folk competing for each job listing. It's not simply a matter of having a clean resume' and showing up for your interview dressed appropriately and knowing your stuff. It just isn't this way anymore.

Secondly, employers KNOW that there are far more employees than there are jobs, so following the laws of Supply and Demand; the wages for a given job are plummetting. My current job pays $12K less than my previous job; but it was the best offer I could find.

The kids, in fact pretty much everyone is a 'victim'. You had the BLESSING of having continuous employment through your career - but even our Military are facing layoffs with the new Obama budget. You have never known what it's like to show up for work, pleased with your Patents, your accomplishments and haveing done 'no wrong' in thought, word or deed - yet being shown the door without warning/cause or failure. I wish more than you may realize, to have had a career like you've enjoyed. To have a job that was consistent - where I could plan my life, do my job and not have to worry about "off-shoring", "Right-sizing", "RIF" and company-wide "layoffs", not because the company was going bankrupt, but because the profits made were not ENOUGH to satisfy senior managment.

In short; it's a very different world than it was when you were in the workforce. Today, there is no such concept as loyalty from the company. Your job is forfeit if some executive thinks he may get a $1 bonus by laying your department off.

26 posted on 02/14/2012 9:40:32 AM PST by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: SeekAndFind
Large numbers of very talented young adults are waiting tables, flipping burgers or stocking shelves at Wal-Mart

What's wrong with that?

I got an BS in Engineering. Couldn't find a thing....it was the same old same old. No experience, no job. I stocked shelves to make some spending money and moved back in with my parents for a few months.

Eventually, I figured out that maybe I wasn't destined to be an Electrical Engineer and rethought my career. Was employed a couple of weeks later, moved into my own place a couple of weeks after that. 20 years later, I'm still working in IT.

IMHO, the issue is with the fad of "self esteem". Young People have been told all of their lives how wonderfully special they are. When the reality of "Yep, you're unique. Just like every other dammed applicant I've talked to this morning" hits, these young people are not equipped to deal with it.

And by the way....I started using a few facets of my engineering degree at my current job. Called my Dad and told him. I could hear him grinning through the telephone. All that tuition wasn't flushed after all. :-)

27 posted on 02/14/2012 9:42:16 AM PST by wbill
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To: Joe the Pimpernel

I have seen this argument often. My main difficulty in employing it in economic policy debates is my inability to articulate an example of a successful country that has not employed a minimum wage policy. Any country that has no minimum wage requirement seems to be of the third world persuasion. I write this reply not because I disagree with you but hope you can aid me in finding a successful example of a 1st world country without a minimum wage requirement and lift my ignorance.


28 posted on 02/14/2012 9:42:57 AM PST by HenryArmitage (it was not meant that we should voyage far.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Democrats = Incompetence
Democrats = Incompetence
Democrats = Incompetence


29 posted on 02/14/2012 9:43:50 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: circlecity
"That's when I'm frustrated, angry and wondering why I went to college for 10 years."

Conveniently left out of the article is what his degree (or degrees) is in. If he has a bachelor's or master's in art history or medieval literature, for example, yeah, he probably is having trouble finding work. But, at some point, just maybe during those 10 years, do you think it's too much to ask that he take a peek at the potential for future employment in his chosen field and perhaps make adjustments?

As much as I feel for the youth of today, it's not like their chosen fields of study sneak up on them. It's not like you get your diploma at graduation with a scratch off surprise that reveals what your degree is. You have to go out and plan for it for years. Finishing a bachelor in 4 years is pretty rare. Most students take longer. So, it's not like they don't have plenty of time to look around, examine the job market, talk to career counselors, and make better choices.

30 posted on 02/14/2012 9:44:59 AM PST by Hoffer Rand (There ARE two Americas: "God's children" and the tax payers)
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To: HenryArmitage
Name a successful first-world country that has a minimum wage.

In case you haven't noticed, first-world countries are failing right and left.

31 posted on 02/14/2012 9:46:55 AM PST by Joe the Pimpernel (Too many lawmakers, too many laws, too many lawyers.)
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To: SeekAndFind

As my worthless Brother-in-law (If you know him he probably owes you money) said years ago when I found him a good high paying job....”I don’t want to do that kind of work!”


32 posted on 02/14/2012 9:47:33 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: eyeamok

JMHO, but when/if SHTF those roving hordes of marauding zombies will be chock full of angry young unemployed Obamamaniacs.

We have already seen it with the Occupy movement which is but prologue.

FWIW, I’m 63 and retired. Wouldn’t want to be a young person now, not for all the tea in China.


33 posted on 02/14/2012 9:47:57 AM PST by elcid1970 ("Deport all Muslims. Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind.")
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To: LibertarianLiz
I would not be surprised if she had her pick or work when she comes back. Multilingual people (especially for a language that's *not* Spanish) are in high demand, at least here on the East Coast.

Recently, my company was screaming for someone who spoke Portugese. It took forever to find someone. That's pretty unusual, especially when - within reason - money was no object.

34 posted on 02/14/2012 9:49:14 AM PST by wbill
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To: dfwgator

here is a little tidbit for you.... most union contracts (government unions)have their wage tied directly to the minimum wage... if the minimum wage goes up, they get an automatic pay raise..... kinda opens your eyes up a little bit, eeehhhhh????


35 posted on 02/14/2012 9:50:36 AM PST by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: sten; i_robot73

I think i_robot73 nailed it.

It’s not intelligence, we as a race - are no dumber now than what we were in the 30-60’s. What has changed? Well, there used to be 18 yr old getting married, buying a car, working a job and affording a home. Why, many owned a home, a car and were starting a family while they were in their early 20’s. Why?

Taxes and Gov’t. Used to be a time when a young person could earn enough to work, while his wife stayed home and took care of housework and raising a family. He could earn a comfortable wage, provide for his family, his retirement, live in a decent home, and live comfortably. What was his tax rate? What Gov’t assistance programs were available? It was a time of personal responsibility and honest work.

Today, how many 20-somethings do you know who own their home and are embarking on a family with a stay-at-home wife? Back then, a reasonable house was approximately equal to ~2-4x their annual salary. Today, what is the cost of a home compared to a couple’s annual salary? Now, of that annual salary - how much do they get to keep versus 40 yrs ago?

Now, look at the business environment. Never before have we had so many businesses failing, off-shoring and layoffs. I remember when IBM announced layoffs in the late 70’s. The first to go were Sr. Managment; they got the company in that shape to start with. That is exactly the opposite way things work today.

The kids aren’t dumber, it’s not lack of educational opportunties - it’s a variety of reasons, and all of them are out of the ability for the ordinary person to control.


36 posted on 02/14/2012 9:52:55 AM PST by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Tariffs were the largest source of federal revenue from the 1790s to the eve of World War I...”

Our government then chose to fund itself from the income tax...except...like everything else that is taxed...there no longer is any income!!

Income has gone away. Time for Tariffs again for the next century.


37 posted on 02/14/2012 9:55:18 AM PST by mo
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To: SeekAndFind

In this ever increasingly dismal economy and ever increasingly limited career choices my advice to young men would be: learn a useful trade like plumbing. For young women: learn to pole dance and while you’re learning it thank Obama and the Democrats for your situation.


38 posted on 02/14/2012 10:00:49 AM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Hodar
It's not simply a matter of having a clean resume' and showing up for your interview dressed appropriately and knowing your stuff. It just isn't this way anymore.

Man, I gotta disagree with you there. Things may be different in your neck of the woods, but here, It's hard to find decent entry level IT people.

We just brought one in. It wasn't too painful. But in the 3-4 years prior....man....it would take forever. We'd start out with a list of desired qualities and wind up with - without exaggeration - "Must show up for interview on time and not curse at customers when answering the phone."

It may be the downturn in the economy that improved our local employment pool. But for awhile, jeez, pickings were pretty slim.

39 posted on 02/14/2012 10:01:00 AM PST by wbill
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To: Hodar

I had the same experience. My daughter came right out of her Masters degree in civil engineering in December and got a really, really well paying and interesting job. But I watch what happens. She is the exception. As is your daughter.


40 posted on 02/14/2012 10:04:44 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: jagusafr
You're not paying attention. Ya keep taking about young people getting two and three jobs at one time. That would suggest there are two or three times the jobs available. No?

How in tarnation does that work when there are not enough jobs to begin with for young people?

Not to mention the sky high cost of renting a home or apartment. Throw in all the other cost of insurance, car payments food, utilities, gas, etc etc...In today's America, millions of adults can't even makes ends meet. Where ya been?

Did ya notice there are millions of empty homes adults couldn't hold onto? The landscape is covered with them.

For the majority of young people, these jobs simple don't pay enough for young people to go get their own place. Yeah, they can go in on an apartment with two or three others, but that only works for a very limited time..It never lasts.

You seem detached from reality.

41 posted on 02/14/2012 10:07:20 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: SeekAndFind

It is sad when I see people come in where I work all dressed up wanting to drop off a resume when I know just from looking at them that they have too much education for what we have and what work experience they have is irrelevant to any job we can offer.


42 posted on 02/14/2012 10:08:23 AM PST by yawningotter
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To: jagusafr
BTW, we all know why no one wants full time employees in today's America. The majority of jobs nowadays for young people pay little, with zip for benefits...Things like employer provided/contributed heath care benefits have become a thing of the past. Those who do still offer it, the benefits for the most part are near worthless.

This isn't your parents America.

43 posted on 02/14/2012 10:18:42 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

I disagree with your premise: here in San Antonio, jobs - especially entry-level, just out of college jobs - are going begging. McDonald’s (my first job) is always hiring. Domino’s (my second job), et al always need drivers. If minimum wage isn’t enough, then get a second job. Sorry, we have a baseline disagreement (or difference in job market). My children have never NOT had jobs since they were in high school.

I’m a military reservist and a lawyer with my own itty bitty firm. I work my ass off to pay my two staff people and all the overhead. I sing on the weekends. I disagree that I’m “detached from reality”.


44 posted on 02/14/2012 10:20:10 AM PST by jagusafr ("Write in Palin and prepare for war...")
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To: Hodar

I think the biggest force for all that is that we keep delaying adulthood. When 18 year old got married and owned cars they could also drink. There was an expectation then that when you turned 18 you were an adult with all the responsibilities and privileges. Now when you turn 18 you get almost none of the privileges, and parents aren’t forcing the responsibilities. And really why take on more responsibility than you have to, any kid who paid any attention at all to their parents’ lives knows responsibility blows.

And the parents keep putting up with it. My in-laws are completely tolerant of their 27 year-old unemployed loser, they don’t expect anything from him, he doesn’t have to contribute to the household at all, and they still give him an allowance. Yeah they bitch about how irresponsible he is, but for the price of listening to them complain a couple hours a week he gets a free room, 3 squares, and $50 for his pocket. The year I was about to turn 18 my mom said I’d get June for free because I was graduating high school, and July for my birthday, but starting in August I was going to be paying rent, better get a job.

When you get right down to it people don’t want responsibility, it gets forced on us. Except that large portions of the current youth generation aren’t getting it forced on them. They’re allowed to stay irresponsible and so they do. They get to live the life that on some level we all want, no alarm clock, no job, nothing to do but hang around and relax. Most of us would adopt that lifestyle in a minute if we had half the chance. And they’re getting the chance. If we want them to get out there and be useful we need to stop giving them a free pass. That’s what I’m always telling my in-laws, kick him out and cut him off, he’ll only grow up when he HAS to. Just like all of us.


45 posted on 02/14/2012 10:20:40 AM PST by discostu (How Will I Laugh Tomorrow When I Can't Even Smile Today)
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To: Responsibility2nd
I have a 25 year old and a 19 year old living at home with little to no prospects.
Why is that? Do they have educations? Are they too fussy? Are there NO jobs of any kind in your vicinity?
I just popped into Career Builder, put in my ZIP code and found well over 500 local openings.
Then I went to the NY Job Bank and found over 500 openings in my area.
In my 35+ years of working, I was laid off three times and it was a full time job getting hired again.
46 posted on 02/14/2012 10:23:26 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: discostu
I think the biggest force for all that is that we keep delaying adulthood. When 18 year old got married and owned cars they could also drink. There was an expectation then that when you turned 18 you were an adult with all the responsibilities and privileges. Now when you turn 18 you get almost none of the privileges, and parents aren’t forcing the responsibilities. And really why take on more responsibility than you have to, any kid who paid any attention at all to their parents’ lives knows responsibility blows.

Well in previous generations there was also this thing called "The Draft", that kind of forced 18 year-olds to be responsible.

47 posted on 02/14/2012 10:26:00 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: wbill

Here, it’s a bit harsher. We’ve had some high tech industries close up shop, laying tens of thousands of skilled workers off. Largely, this was a company that worked with NASA making boosters.

We also have several colleges in a 80 mile radius, graduating skilled workers - all of whom want to settle down locally. More’s the pity; as you gotta go where the jobs are.

I’m an electrical Engineer with 23 yrs experience. I had over 22 people competing for this job, and there are literally thousands of engineers in this state looking for anything that will allow them to keep their homes. In response, an engineer I used to work with took a job at 40% less pay than he was making just 1 yr ago - just to he can continue making his house payment. Yep, 40% drop. When you have dozens of applicants, you don’t have to compete salary-wise; that’s money directly to the profit line.


48 posted on 02/14/2012 10:31:50 AM PST by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: SeekAndFind

And if something isn’t done about government pensions and social security, the parents will have to move back in w/the grandparents, because they’ll be the only ones w/any cash.


49 posted on 02/14/2012 10:33:50 AM PST by fruser1
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To: jagusafr
exotic animal rescue, rehab and habitat

Really? Is there a large demand for such individuals?

50 posted on 02/14/2012 10:33:58 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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