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Wind power plug pulled in Illinois
WUWT ^ | 2/16/2012 | Anthony Watts

Posted on 02/17/2012 9:47:21 AM PST by Signalman

The wind power industry is predicting massive layoffs and stalled or abandoned projects after a deal to renew a tax credit failed Thursday in Washington.

The move is expected to have major ramifications in states such as Illinois, where 13,892 megawatts of planned wind projects — enough to power 3.3 million homes per year — are seeking to be connected to the electric grid. Many of those projects will be abandoned or significantly delayed without federal subsidies.

The state is home to more than 150 companies that support the wind industry. At least 67 of those make turbines or components for wind farms. Chicago is the U.S. headquarters to more than a dozen major wind companies that wanted to take advantage of powerful Midwestern winds.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: blogpimp; energy; illinois; wind; windindustry; windpower

1 posted on 02/17/2012 9:47:26 AM PST by Signalman
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To: Signalman

Wind power is a dud, I cannot believe environmentals support it, they are not good for the enviornment, effect weather, are killing off entire bat species and killing lots and lots of birds.

Window power is a no go.

I read somewhere that if we covered the entire state of Nevada in solar panels we could power the entire US pollution free, that is what I’d like to see us do.


2 posted on 02/17/2012 9:49:45 AM PST by Scythian
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To: Signalman

We need to innovate on energy, but the pursuit must not be subsidized with taxpayer money.


3 posted on 02/17/2012 9:50:07 AM PST by lurk
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To: lurk

The innovation IS happening OUTSIDE of govt intervention.
Fracking nat gas boom.
Soon you’ll see vehicle fleets switching over.
It’s about half the equivalent cost of diesel right now, and probably that ratio improves over the next several years.


4 posted on 02/17/2012 9:53:08 AM PST by nascarnation (DEFEAT BARAQ 2012 DEPORT BARAQ 2013)
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To: Signalman

We have coal and gas for generations. Green energy is a scam like the global warming scam it was proposed to solve.


5 posted on 02/17/2012 9:54:30 AM PST by throwback ( The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid)
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To: Scythian

Area 51 might have a problem with that.


6 posted on 02/17/2012 9:55:04 AM PST by ILS21R (Never give up.)
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To: Signalman; Ernest_at_the_Beach; marvlus; ApplegateRanch; Berlin_Freeper; Genesis defender; golux; ..
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

7 posted on 02/17/2012 9:59:04 AM PST by steelyourfaith (Expel the Occupy White House squatters !!!)
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To: lurk

Throughout the last century, basic R&D has been subsidized by society (or taxpayers if you prefer). I can only dream that I live long enough to see the US convert to a fusion power economy, and give the Hugo Chavezes of the world a big middle finger (in other words it’s a positive strategic and economic development that would unequivocally benefit every American citizen via cheaper power, better energy security and less foreign entanglements, and as such should and does receive taxpayer support).

What should not be supported by taxpayers are particular companies and industries which kickback money to the politicians in charge (Solyndra, LightSquared, etc.) while trying to violate basic laws of physics and/or economics with their offerings.


8 posted on 02/17/2012 10:03:57 AM PST by lump in the melting pot (Communism - a social experiment which, for ethical reasons, should not be performed on live humans)
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To: Scythian

“I read somewhere that if we covered the entire state of Nevada in solar panels we could power the entire US pollution free, that is what I’d like to see us do.”
Probably read that in a science fiction book.
Guess we could use candles at night. Or maybe whale oil lanterns? Wind and solar are BS. Solar as a supplement and remote monitoring stations. Nuke and natural gas all the way!!!!


9 posted on 02/17/2012 10:05:33 AM PST by 9422WMR (Life is not fair, just deal with it.)
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To: ILS21R
Area 51 might have a problem with that.

Not to mention the birds and the bats. ;^)

10 posted on 02/17/2012 10:07:48 AM PST by Night Hides Not (My dream ticket for 2012 is John Galt & Dagny Taggart!)
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To: ILS21R

I think if they put dynamos, turbines in Chicagoprison cells for all of the amigos of the Chicago Politicians in prison, hook them up to a bicycle sprocket, they could make electricity for all of the rest, and for every kilowatt of power they produce we could reduce their sentence by 1 day. Sounds efficient.


11 posted on 02/17/2012 10:09:41 AM PST by rovenstinez
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To: Signalman

It takes massive amounts of liberal arts talent to achieve the virtually 100% fail rate of the Obamaloon and his clown show.

I really really want to be on the jury when the trials of he ahd his felon-tax evading-idiot cohorts begin after CW-II.


12 posted on 02/17/2012 10:10:24 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Da Coyote

If an industry can’t make it in the private sector—why should the US Government pay for it? There are cheaper and better ways to generate power.


13 posted on 02/17/2012 10:17:29 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Signalman

OK. I’ve posted this serveral times and yet have had someone tell me different.

I live in Bloomington. I work in Lagrange, GA. Everytime I come home I fly over the Champaign to Bloomington area. I’ll drive on I74 to Peoria. So in short, I’m looking at just about all of the hellatious eye sores of wind mills that blot the landscape there.

I’m told that the farmers there are paid $5000 per year to allow these erections on their property. They’re tall noisy structures.

HERE’S THE DEAL. EACH AND EVERY TIME I COME HOME, EVERY WINDMILL, PROBABLY WELL OVER 100, ARE ROTATING. THERE’S NO CLOUD IN THE SKY. NO WIND, AND YET THESE PROPS ARE ROTATING.

I SAY BS!!!

There is no way just 200 feet from the ground there is a Kitty Hawk style wind tunnel going through the heartland 24/7.

I say this is BS. As long as the blades are rotating the federal dollars will be coming.

ONLY NEWT SEES THROUGH THIS CRAP.


14 posted on 02/17/2012 10:23:54 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: nikos1121

I have often driven by a virtual forest of windmills in southwestern Minnesota (Highway 23 near Holland, MN) that stretches from horizon to horizon. On many occasions I have seen ALL of these hundreds of windmills idle and others times just a few turning slowly and probably not generating much if any electricity. Only rarely did I see all of them turning at once.


15 posted on 02/17/2012 10:43:56 AM PST by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that pretty soon you run out of other people's money" M. Thatcher)
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To: Signalman

[ enough to power 3.3 million homes per year ]

Yeah when the wind is blowing.. when its not.. ZIP..
I wonder if 3.3 million is a bit optimistic?.. maybe even a lie?


16 posted on 02/17/2012 10:56:30 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: lump in the melting pot

Already been invented!!!!!!

17 posted on 02/17/2012 11:01:59 AM PST by catman67
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To: Signalman

We should end subsidies for big oil too while we’re at it!


18 posted on 02/17/2012 11:09:50 AM PST by frithguild (Withdraw from the 1967 Treaty on Outer Space. It bans private property and profits.)
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To: Signalman

Hey, Bimbo-boxer and Putrid-Pelosi are rumored to have supported a mission to the sun —— because we could always land at night.


19 posted on 02/17/2012 11:30:20 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: nikos1121
I’m looking at just about all of the hellatious eye sores of wind mills that blot the landscape there.

Who will dismantle those eye sores once the governmental cash cow stops flowing into the solar companies?

20 posted on 02/17/2012 11:51:21 AM PST by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!)
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To: The Great RJ

Years ago i drove through Palm Springs, and like you viewed some props turning, some not.

I am telling you, and I have yet to hear someone on this forum refute me, the wind mills in Illinois along the I74 to I55 corridor NEVER STOP ROTATING!!!!!!!

Like Ethanol this is another scam put over the public.

It’s time to throw the bums out. Sorry, Santorum is a good and decent guy, but like Romney he is beholding to the establishment in Washington, probably more so.


21 posted on 02/17/2012 12:05:05 PM PST by nikos1121
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To: Scythian
if we covered the entire state of Nevada in solar panels we could power the entire US ...

It takes a 40 acre solar farm to supply one third the power of one average-sized coal-fired plant, and only on days with adequate sun.

You could cover the entire US and still not produce enough power to supply one day's needs in the US, but then everyone in the US would have to live underground, never emerging lest they cast a shadow and decrease the amount of power needed by everyone else. And there still would be rolling brown and black outs in that perfect Utopian world.

Casting a shadow would be a capital offense ...

22 posted on 02/17/2012 12:22:58 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Scythian

So when the sun goes down in Nevada we just wait in the dark eating our ice cream before it melts? ;-)


23 posted on 02/17/2012 3:11:46 PM PST by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: PIF

LOL, thanks man, you made me laugh hard, still, I know I read that somewhere, I guess I was wrong.


24 posted on 02/17/2012 3:57:13 PM PST by Scythian
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To: Scythian
Window power is a no go.

I would think so...

THIS PLUS PLUS

Does NOT equal this...


25 posted on 02/17/2012 5:07:12 PM PST by ApplegateRanch ("Public service" does NOT mean servicing the people, like a bull among heifers.)
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To: nascarnation

http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2011/04/18/sasols-plan-for-north-american-shale-gas-turn-it-into-diesel/

To convert coal or gas into liquid fuels Sasol (2010 profits of $2.3 billion on $17 billion sales) uses something called the Fischer-Tropsch process that was developed by German scientists in the 1920s. It later helped fuel Hitler’s war effort. Later, perfection of the process helped South Africa fuel its economy during the apartheid years; in South Africa Sasol makes 190,000 barrels per day of fuel from coal. Because the process removes any pollutants like sulfur and heavy metals, the resultant diesel is the cleanest burning in the world.


It still takes diesel to efficiently produce the heavy-hauling power; but natural gas can produce the diesel. So can coal.

And we have centuries of each, to give us a stable domestic fuel supply, while INDUSTRY works out something better without tax moneys.

SASOL is just ONE company out of several, that are making profits with this rather old technology.

It works; therefore, Greenies are against it.


26 posted on 02/17/2012 5:27:47 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (If their "Alternative" actually works, the Greenies will proceed to kill it.)
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To: PIF

“It takes a 40 acre solar farm to supply one third the power of one average-sized coal-fired plant, and only on days with adequate sun.”

Not by my numbers. I get 1 MegaWatt per acre, and that’s fully covered. In reality, the best you might do is one third coverage. Using that number, you’d need 1500 acres (several square miles) to get to 500 MW...which is probably what an average coal plant is. And then you have to factor in night time and clouds, so figure 10 square miles. We’re talking HUGE areas...much bigger than people can remotely imagine.


27 posted on 02/18/2012 11:40:04 AM PST by BobL (I don't care about his past - Santorum will BRING THE FIGHT to Obama)
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To: BobL

You are probably more accurate. I was simpily doing a very rough estimate. But as I said, you’d need to cover the entire US with solar panels in order to just get close to today’s power demands. And then there are all those Chevy Volts ...

Go Green with Solar Power! Become a nation of underground dwellers!


28 posted on 02/18/2012 2:21:26 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: ApplegateRanch

ROFL!


29 posted on 02/18/2012 4:56:18 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: The Great RJ

From what I have heard, if there isn’t any wind, the blades rotate by using electricity.

Hell of a deal.


30 posted on 02/18/2012 5:01:24 PM PST by dforest
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To: dforest

To make money you’ve got to spend money, prime the swamp to get it going.


31 posted on 02/21/2012 6:34:41 AM PST by Reeses
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