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Do Federal Employees Pay Federal Taxes?

Posted on 02/17/2012 12:06:20 PM PST by Why So Serious

I work in the private sector. If I make $20 per hour and pay 25% in federal income tax the federal government has $5 where they had none. Thus I paid taxes.

On the other hand, if a federal employee earns $20 and he pays 25% in federal taxes the government now has $16 where it used to have $20. That ponders the title question. I say that federal employees pay no income tax.


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1 posted on 02/17/2012 12:06:24 PM PST by Why So Serious
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To: Why So Serious

Members of the military are certainly federal employees - and we certainly paid income taxes...


2 posted on 02/17/2012 12:09:50 PM PST by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party Of No! No Socialism - No Fascism - Nobama - No Way!)
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To: Why So Serious

Where you get $16 from?


3 posted on 02/17/2012 12:09:50 PM PST by avacado
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To: Why So Serious

Federal employees are subject to federal income taxes. In essence, the federal government’s net cost for the employee is 100% minus the effective federal tax rate for that employee.


4 posted on 02/17/2012 12:10:01 PM PST by kevkrom (Note to self: proofread, then post. It's better that way.)
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To: Why So Serious

There was a time when federal employees were not charged any taxes. They are now. There was also a time when federal employees were not allowed to vote(in federal elections)...nor were citizens of Washington DC.


5 posted on 02/17/2012 12:10:40 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: Why So Serious

Believe me, I worked for the Federal government for 36 years and I certainly paid taxes as does my brother (USPS) and my father (retired USAF).....


6 posted on 02/17/2012 12:12:14 PM PST by BamaDi ("The definition of a racist today is anyone who is winning an argument with a liberal.")
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To: Why So Serious

Your math is funny. But federal employees pay taxes just like everyone else. Except for people like Warren Buffet who can use his companies to pay for everything he wants and avoid paying income taxes.


7 posted on 02/17/2012 12:12:21 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: mamelukesabre

Its time to strip all on welfare and such of their voting rights


8 posted on 02/17/2012 12:12:21 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: Why So Serious

They pay taxes but uncle same does not generate revenue by taxing federal employees.


9 posted on 02/17/2012 12:12:21 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: Why So Serious


“I say that federal employees pay no income tax.”

Or, you could say that Federal wages and salaries are actually lower than advertised.

The Feds “offer” a job at a certain pay rate, but get a legally mandated kickback.


10 posted on 02/17/2012 12:13:18 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: Why So Serious
IBTZ (unless he's a monthly donor)

What a waste of bandwidth!

11 posted on 02/17/2012 12:13:18 PM PST by Night Hides Not (My dream ticket for 2012 is John Galt & Dagny Taggart!)
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To: mamelukesabre

There was a time when NOBODY paid income taxes in this country. There was a time when every single federal employee was a patronage employee who got his job for doing work for the political parties.


12 posted on 02/17/2012 12:14:58 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Why So Serious

I was also in the military and paid income tax.

Now, there IS an amail floating around the Internet that indicates that federal employees owe in excess of $3Billion in back income tax (and, I cannot vouch for the reliability if this information, I just personally don’t doubt it!) so, based on that, it can be argued whether or not they pay income tax.

I’m just having a little fun with you. To the best of my knowledge, they are supposed to pay income tax.


13 posted on 02/17/2012 12:15:32 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: al baby

For years I have dreamed of an accounting system that tracks the benefits each citizen receives from public funds and also the burden each citizen bears to support public funding. Certain rights should be put on placed on “hold” whenever an individual’s running tally of benefit to burden dips into negative. Many people will be negative from the day they are born to the day they die.


14 posted on 02/17/2012 12:16:46 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

Then, there was the time residents of DC voted in Maryland Elections!


15 posted on 02/17/2012 12:17:36 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Why So Serious
Wanna see my taxes from working at the VA? Don't be an idiot.
16 posted on 02/17/2012 12:18:22 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Night Hides Not

You are a loon


17 posted on 02/17/2012 12:20:15 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: Why So Serious
There is an interesting point here.

It is common among Conservatives to say that businesses pay no taxes. What is meant is that if a corporation needs to pay Uncle Sam $5M, the corp gets that money by charging customers the equivalent amount. The customers provide the money -- they, in effect, pay the corp tax on behalf of the corporation, although the corporation "sends the check".

In a similar way, federal employees, whether military or not, may "send a check", but all of their available income is derived from the government -- the government gives them money so that they can give the government money.

I can see the point that, in reality, federal employees pay no real tax: it's figured into their government pay.

18 posted on 02/17/2012 12:21:02 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (I am pro-Jesus, anti-abortion, pro-limited government, anti-GOP.)
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To: Why So Serious

You bet your sweet bippy I do.


19 posted on 02/17/2012 12:23:48 PM PST by SandyInSeattle (Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface)
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To: hinckley buzzard

He’s not an idiot, you are. He’s just not expressing himself very clearly but it is easy to figure out what he means...IF YOU HAVE A BRAIN, which you seem to not have.


20 posted on 02/17/2012 12:25:41 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: Why So Serious

Since when is one quarter of $20 4$? At least be consistent .... that tax rate of 25% would yield $5 for either tax payer. You have $15 dollars left and so does the person paid by the federal (or state or city) government.

You strain at a gnat


21 posted on 02/17/2012 12:34:26 PM PST by Nifster
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To: mamelukesabre

If two people make $20 gross, one a federal employee and one private, they both pay the same rate of income tax. The both get to keep the same amount of dollars afterwards.


22 posted on 02/17/2012 12:37:01 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

... and since everything we have is God’s does any of us really pay taxes?


23 posted on 02/17/2012 12:38:56 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Yo Mitt - Money can't buy you love...)
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To: thackney

What’s your point? I don’t think you have a clue.


24 posted on 02/17/2012 12:39:10 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: thackney
“Welcome aboard. We are happy to hire you as a new federal worker. Now, first, let me say that your salary will be $50,000 a year, and you will be expected to pay $10,000 a year in taxes.”

“Oh, that’s going to be a problem. That would leave me with $40,000 a year, and I know I can’t live on that. I really need $50,000 a year for my family to survive.”

“Hmmmmmm. That is a problem, isn’t it? See, we’re really depending on you sending us $10,000 a year in taxes. Hmmm. Let’s see – how about we give you a salary of $60,000 a year, and you can send us $10,000 a year in taxes. That will leave you with $50,000 and you can live on that. Sounds fair?”

“You bet!”

Is the worker paying taxes? It's just government shifting money from one pocket to another. Now, if you, as a worker at a manufacturing facility, pay $10,000, then the govenrment is actually getting revenue. YOU are paying taxes. Federal workers? I don't think they really pay taxes.

25 posted on 02/17/2012 12:39:40 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (I am pro-Jesus, anti-abortion, pro-limited government, anti-GOP.)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

Every thing is God’s??? REally???

I’m thinking of a quote....”render unto caesar what is caesar’s, render unto god what is god’s”

Apparantly certain things are not God’s after all!


26 posted on 02/17/2012 12:41:53 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: Why So Serious


27 posted on 02/17/2012 12:42:39 PM PST by KodakKing (Freedom isn't free. Just ask any soldier. www.anysoldier.com)
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To: Why So Serious

Not really into math are you?

To answer your question, yes, Federal employees pay income taxes. While it’s odd that we collect our pay from taxpayers and then give some right back as taxpayers, that’s how it is.


28 posted on 02/17/2012 12:45:23 PM PST by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: Future Snake Eater

I think the OP’s point is that it’s the same money being moved back and forth.

They could just as easily pay the Federal worker $15 instead of $20, and say he owes no income tax, and not bother to shuffle the money back and forth. IOW, there’s no real revenue there.

Whereas the private employee provides revenue, “new” money.


29 posted on 02/17/2012 12:55:49 PM PST by ltc8k6
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To: mamelukesabre
You are a loon

My, my, my...your vocabulary is so underwhelming.

You must not get out much.

30 posted on 02/17/2012 12:57:07 PM PST by Night Hides Not (My dream ticket for 2012 is John Galt & Dagny Taggart!)
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To: mamelukesabre; ClearCase_guy

The original poster had two employee, both paid the same gross wages.

The same tax is removed from both employees wages; they both pay taxes.

The impact is only different to the employer, but that wasn’t the question.


31 posted on 02/17/2012 12:58:21 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Why So Serious

I am going to get a big bowl of popcorn. this thread outta be good.


32 posted on 02/17/2012 1:06:04 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Night Hides Not

LOL


33 posted on 02/17/2012 1:08:20 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Night Hides Not

LOL


34 posted on 02/17/2012 1:08:39 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Why So Serious

Why so serious, when you can play funny arithmetic games!


35 posted on 02/17/2012 1:14:37 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Vendome
I am going to get a big bowl of popcorn. this thread outta be good.

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36 posted on 02/17/2012 1:19:19 PM PST by Night Hides Not (My dream ticket for 2012 is John Galt & Dagny Taggart!)
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To: Why So Serious
And you figured it out all by yourself, Joe?


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38 posted on 02/17/2012 1:26:26 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: Why So Serious

Besides the funny math you are almost correct. The government gets revenue from the private employee’s taxes, money it didn’t have before.

By an accounting trick the governement appears to get revenue from the government employee when in fact it is just taking back some of its own money.


39 posted on 02/17/2012 1:36:20 PM PST by FerociousRabbit
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To: Why So Serious

The money represents labor. Even for gov’mint employees one’s labor is not his own.


40 posted on 02/17/2012 1:44:22 PM PST by Lysander (Don't stand where I told you to stand. Stand where I told you to stand.)
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To: Night Hides Not

I was in the BSA and I sold greeting cards.

They gave me a case and sold em all in one day.

My first sales job and I had so many slammed doors.

I remember one that slammed and I happily started off to the next house and the woman who had slammed the door on me re-opened her door and bought 5 boxes.

She felt bad but also wanted to tell me I should be wearing my uniform. It will make it easier to sell.

I ran home and then returned to her house and asked if there was anything else I needed.

Man, I can’t believe I am recalling this, LOL.

She said “Yes”.

She made a phone call and two of her neighbors came over and bought some boxes.

I guess that spurred me on because I remember my Mom smiling and my Dad beaming when I gave them the monies to deliver to whoever it got delivered to.

My 1st sales job. LOL

Perseverance toward my goal and smiling the whole time.

Still do it today, only now I invoke the power of God in my endeavors.


41 posted on 02/17/2012 1:51:59 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Night Hides Not

The thread is still here. Loon.


42 posted on 02/17/2012 1:57:31 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: Lysander
The money represents labor. Even for gov’mint employees one’s labor is not his own.

Ah, but it is:

"To trade by means of money is the code of the men of good will. Money rests on the axiom that every man is the owner of his mind and his effort. Money allows no power to prescribe the value of your effort except the voluntary choice of the man who is willing to trade you his effort in return. Money permits you to obtain for your goods and your labor that which they are worth to the men who buy them, but no more. Money permits no deals except those to mutual benefit by the unforced judgment of the traders.

Money demands of you the recognition that men must work for their own benefit, not for their own injury, for their gain, not their loss--the recognition that they are not beasts of burden, born to carry the weight of your misery--that you must offer them values, not wounds--that the common bond among men is not the exchange of suffering, but the exchange of goods. Money demands that you sell, not your weakness to men's stupidity, but your talent to their reason; it demands that you buy, not the shoddiest they offer, but the best that your money can find.

And when men live by trade--with reason, not force, as their final arbiter--it is the best product that wins, the best performance, the man of best judgment and highest ability--and the degree of a man's productiveness is the degree of his reward. This is the code of existence whose tool and symbol is money.

Is this what you consider evil?

Excerpts of Francisco's Money Speech, Atlas Shrugged

43 posted on 02/17/2012 2:06:31 PM PST by Night Hides Not (My dream ticket for 2012 is John Galt & Dagny Taggart!)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

He owns it all! All the cattle on 5 million hills and all the taters and maters in 10 million valleys. Mar 12:17 And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s. And they marveled at him.


44 posted on 02/17/2012 2:08:04 PM PST by Colorado Cowgirl (God bless America!)
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To: Why So Serious

First...go back to the bathroom and take your meds......


45 posted on 02/17/2012 2:45:53 PM PST by Shamrock-DW
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To: Why So Serious
I say that federal employees pay no income tax.

Economically speaking, no government employees pay taxes.

If the government creates a new position at, say, $50K gross salary, the private sector must cough up $50,000. On the way to the employee, a computer entry is made to divert a portion of that to taxes.

People in the private sector had to go to work to pay those taxes as well as his take-home pay. It's no different with sales taxes or even the goods he purchases. Private sector workers earned the money for him to buy them.

It's not immoral. We need government workers (to some extent,) but it's why the claim that adding government employees improves the economy is false.

46 posted on 02/17/2012 2:48:07 PM PST by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: ltc8k6
IOW, there’s no real revenue there.

Which is true and easily reasoned. This guy needed to start a thread about this?

47 posted on 02/17/2012 2:51:02 PM PST by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: grobdriver
Members of the military are certainly federal employees - and we certainly paid income taxes...

I don't know what your salary and taxes are, but let's say the Fed's pay you $40K and take back $8K. There would be no effective difference to anyone if they instead paid you $32K and you paid no taxes at all. For the rest of us out here, if our employer pays us $32K we have to give some of that to the government. The analogy I suggested above has no analogue in the private sector.

ML/NJ

48 posted on 02/17/2012 3:07:48 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: ClearCase_guy

As a 25 year Federal employee I just have to pipe in on this. He is certainly not an idiot, however the fact that so many seem to not grasp his concept certainly explains why we as a country are in such deep trouble. Federal employees that get a paycheck derived 100% from taxpayers may “pay” federal income tax on paper, but they certainly do not contribute money to the US Treasury in the form of income tax. They simply send some money back. It’s a shell game. I’ve said for years that citizens that receive more in payments from the government than they pay in should not be allowed to vote (with an exemption for active duty military). This does not make me very popular at the water cooler!


49 posted on 02/17/2012 3:30:27 PM PST by medbow2
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