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Windows 7 Questions - Serious Replies Only [Please]
2/19/12 | self

Posted on 02/19/2012 8:46:38 PM PST by Lmo56

I am going to be getting my Mom an Acer Windows 7 PC since her current PC is about at the end of its useful life.

My problem is that when I buy a new PC, I normally erase the hard drive by using DBAN and then load a clean image of the OS as well as the drivers.

That way, I get rid of all of the crapware that comes with the new PC.

However, with Windows 7, it seems that MOST OEMs do not provide the OS anymore.

I have looked on the Net, but have not been able to determine if Acer provides a Windows 7 OEM OS disc [they do have the driver downloads].

Does anyone know if they do?

Other than that, all I can see to do is burn a restore disc [with ALL OEM-supplied software on it] immediately upon initial out-of-the-box set-up, THEN removing ALL of the unwanted programs, THEN burning a second restore disc.

That way, I have the modified restore disk [in addition to the OEM restore disk] in case something bad happens ...

Any help is appreciated.


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1 posted on 02/19/2012 8:46:48 PM PST by Lmo56
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To: Lmo56

Linux (esp Linux boot disks) are your friend.


2 posted on 02/19/2012 8:48:16 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Lmo56

I’ve used pcdecrappifier very successfully to get rid of the bloatware.


3 posted on 02/19/2012 8:50:20 PM PST by JMS
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To: Lmo56; Swordmaker; ShadowAce; Ernest_at_the_Beach; dayglored
Get a Mac. Seriesly.

(fleeing hastily)

4 posted on 02/19/2012 8:54:32 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Lmo56

I have an Acer laptop that runs Windows 7. I don’t recall it coming with a Windows 7 disc—just the preloaded operating system.


5 posted on 02/19/2012 8:54:45 PM PST by Engraved-on-His-hands
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To: Paladin2

I guess you diddn’t understand ...

I want to wipe the disc CLEAN with a 35-pass gutmann erasure.

THEN, I want to reload the Windows 7 OS. MOST OEMs DO NOT provide a disc anymore with new PCs - the OS is pre-loaded. The OEM wants you to burn a restore disc first thing out of the box.

When you do that, the bloatware is also copied.

SO, if you THEN erase the HD and perform a restore - you are back to square 1 WITH BLOATWARE ...

What I want to know is IF I can get a Windows 7 OS disk from Acer.

IF NOT, then I guess I need to burn 2 discs ...

Comprende?


6 posted on 02/19/2012 8:56:49 PM PST by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: Lmo56

It sounds like you looked everywhere other than....starting a help ticket with Acer. Which is really what you should have done first.

Other than that, What you’re doing is all you can do when a vendor slipstreams bloatware onto the PC.

Acer’s not too bad about it. All their stuff is removable.


7 posted on 02/19/2012 8:58:11 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Now I know how the average lefty would feel if Fred Phelps were elected President.)
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To: Lmo56

Your Win 7 product ID # should be on the properties tab of “My Computer”. Microsoft might be able to supply you a disc or download.


8 posted on 02/19/2012 8:58:33 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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To: Engraved-on-His-hands
I have an Acer laptop that runs Windows 7. I don’t recall it coming with a Windows 7 disc—just the preloaded operating system.

Eggsactly my point ...

I think I am stuck with burning 2 discs ...

9 posted on 02/19/2012 8:58:58 PM PST by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: Lmo56

http://www.pcdecrapifier.com/

People I know have reported good luck with this one.


10 posted on 02/19/2012 8:59:42 PM PST by Ingtar ("But it is hard to maintain an aura of invincibility after you have been vinced..." Sowell)
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To: Lmo56
ANYTHING > XP = does not compute.

Likely a failure.

What does W7 do that you can't lie without?

Boot Linux.

11 posted on 02/19/2012 9:01:11 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Lmo56

http://www.altex.com/

I bought an Altex computer in Jan 2011, and I’m completely happy with the computer and their service. I recieved Windows 7 Professional installation disc. I’m in the Austin area- Altex has other locations, but I don’t know how many or where.


12 posted on 02/19/2012 9:02:51 PM PST by matthew fuller (Daniel Hannan is a better "American Citizen" than any Democrat and many Republicans.)
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To: Lmo56
ANYTHING > XP = does not compute.

Likely a failure.

What does W7 do that you can't live without?

Boot Linux.

13 posted on 02/19/2012 9:03:01 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2
What does W7 do that you can't live without?

A computer his mother can operate and will use? :)

14 posted on 02/19/2012 9:05:21 PM PST by Ingtar ("But it is hard to maintain an aura of invincibility after you have been vinced..." Sowell)
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To: Lmo56

you can purchase Win 7 off the MS website, or at Fry’s.

Unless in an IT supported environment, I recommend hard media.

Yes you have to pay for it. You think we work for free?


15 posted on 02/19/2012 9:05:38 PM PST by RitchieAprile
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To: Ingtar

His jomamma can use XP just fine (or some version of Linux).


16 posted on 02/19/2012 9:08:04 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2
ANYTHING > XP = does not compute.

You obviously did not read my post close enuf. It is for my Mom - she's 85 and comfortable with Win XP. BUT. XP has a drop-dead support date of June 2013 for XP.

The jump to Win 7 will be a bit of a stretch for her, BUT nothing like trying to get her comfortable with Linux or a Mac [which she has NEVER used] ...

17 posted on 02/19/2012 9:10:02 PM PST by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: Lmo56

You can probably order a recovery DVD from Acer with the OS on it, but I’m guessing it will probably have all the crapware loaded on it as well. (How do you think they provide you with the OS from MS so cheaply?)


18 posted on 02/19/2012 9:10:49 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: martin_fierro

I must say, the absence of crapware is at least one good reason to get a Mac.


19 posted on 02/19/2012 9:12:07 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Lmo56
I think I am stuck with burning 2 discs ...

Might want to make sure with Acer before you continue this plan. I know on HP hard drives, depending upon the model, that the version of Windows 7 that is restored is locked to that specific hard drive, and a deep level reformat (or a replacement of the hard drive) can prevent it from restoring the backup media onto the computer.

Personally, I think you're pretty mad to be doing this - hours spent reformatting the hard drive, an hour making the restore media, another hour restoring the computer from media, hours spent removing the bloatware, hours more trying to make a second restore disc, more time reformatting the hard drive again, then trying the restore disc that may not work..

Just buy a new (and likely better) hard drive to go in the computer and an OEM version of Windows 7. No bloatware, no having to reformat the world.

20 posted on 02/19/2012 9:12:52 PM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: Lmo56

Side note: Acer seems to be more cheaply made and less reliable than some computers (though perhaps not as bad as eMachines). That isn’t necessarily a bad thing if the price is right. Instead of spending a lot on a computer, I typically buy an Acer or some other cheap brand and replace it every three or four years.

My Acer laptop cost me $350. After its three or four year run, I will buy another one. At that time, the new one that I buy will be a better and faster computer than if I had spent $1000 on one to start with (and still hoping to make it last for several more years).

My point: I think that it’s more economical and wiser to buy low end computers with the idea that you will replace them regularly. Today’s $1000 computer is not as fast or as powerful as next year’s $350 computer.


21 posted on 02/19/2012 9:13:31 PM PST by Engraved-on-His-hands
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To: Lmo56
There used to be a lot of ISOs floating around. They are gone from that site, but likely are still present elsewhere. You need to search. You only need the install DVD, since you already have the license - it should be perfectly legal. I'm sure they are out there, somewhere.

On the subject of install DVDs, OEMs provide the bits on the HDD. Then once you boot the thing up it starts reminding you to burn those bits onto a couple of DVDs. These are OEM images, but they are probably locked to the BIOS.

But on the subject of your quest, OEMs reduced the pollution of the OS quite significantly in last few years. I bought some HP boxes within last year, and I have a Lenovo thing at work, and they are very clean (esp. Lenovo.) They did come with Norton and such, but it's far easier to uninstall all that instead of wiping a perfectly good install clean and starting from scratch. Unless, of course, you just want to practice installing Win7. So perhaps your solution is for a problem that no longer exists. (I get a feeling that you aren't buying Windows boxen often.)

Yet another reason to steer away from doing a clean install concerns device drivers. Win7 does not come with every driver. The OEM slipstreamed them into the image already. Windows is not very friendly with identification of hardware, so unless you are willing to run lspci -vv you will have to take the box apart to find out what is in it. Or you can copy all the drivers from the OEM tree - but that's hard if some drivers come with DLLs or if they require registry keys set up before they even load (Intel is famous for that.)

All in all, I wouldn't embark on the project that you described. For me it's much easier to uninstall what I don't want. Time is precious, and there are better things to do than to dig into Microsoft's licensing and driver issues, self-inflictedly.

22 posted on 02/19/2012 9:14:36 PM PST by Greysard
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To: Lmo56

I had to do this with my new HP. I went to the HP site and found out how to order the disks for Win7. I would call Acer.


23 posted on 02/19/2012 9:16:08 PM PST by whiterhino
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To: Lmo56
Folks, JimRob is too nice to put it this way, but if you use FR, and you're not a donor, you're riding in the wagon that other folks are pulling. That's not a Conservative value at all.

We're not talking about a major donation here, $5 a month. How much time do you spend on FR? Isn't that the best deal you've ever run across?

C'mon now, git 'er done, if some ham-n-egger like me can do this (and more) you can too. Donate!

24 posted on 02/19/2012 9:20:43 PM PST by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Lmo56

I bought my Dell Win XP in 2009 brand new and while I was looking at the discs that came along with it, you SHOULD have:

1) the software disc which comes along with it
2) the OS disc

Apparently I misplaced the OS disc, and bitched to Dell about it. They sent me one...but I was the idiot, it was hidden in the styrofoam inside the box. So basically I have TWO licensed XP discs. Not intentional. You should call Acer and find out if they supply the OS OEM disc as the customer is required to have it...especially if you want to FACTORY RESTORE it in the future.


25 posted on 02/19/2012 9:24:05 PM PST by max americana (Buttcrack Obama is an idiot)
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To: whiterhino

I recently factory restored my Dell I bought in 2009, and thought I lost the OS discs. Found out Craigslist sellers sometimes sell the restore/OS discs and there are also legit websites which sell the discs as well.


26 posted on 02/19/2012 9:27:22 PM PST by max americana (Buttcrack Obama is an idiot)
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To: Lmo56

I bought a Gateway (owned by ACER) desktop on CyberMonday 2011. It had very little crapware.

It did have a Norton AV and Backup and a few other 3rd party, but none of them were actually installed. I deleted them and have had no problem.

You might try that before you reformat and reinstall.

FYI


27 posted on 02/19/2012 9:31:03 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: Lmo56

Spoil her and yourself, get a mac. Seriously. I did two weeks ago because I got a brand new Toshiba and didn’t realize how badly windows 7 sucked/hadn’t improved upon vista. I was always thinking I was saving so much money but with a mac you can get great warranty plans and you’ll have the thing for 6 years, not 3. I’m so done with garbage pc’s, they’ll never get windows to work properly. Another thing, with Pc’s you have to spend another hundred if you want norton or a trustworthy anti virus program.


28 posted on 02/19/2012 9:44:29 PM PST by toddausauras (FUMR x 1,000)
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To: Lmo56
You need to create a "System Image." It copies the drives required for Windows to run. The first DVD will have the necessary programs to restore your computer if the computer ever stops working; however,you can't choose individual items to be restored - it restores what was on the hard drive (including "D" drive) at the time you create the system image. Took 7 DVD's for my computer.

Go to the "Control Panel" and under "System Security" select "Back up your computer." Then, in the left vertical menu, select "Create a system image."

29 posted on 02/19/2012 9:47:04 PM PST by Cribb (Home of Conservatism - America's middle class.)
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To: Lmo56
Unfortunately, you hit the nail right on the head.

Other than that, all I can see to do is burn a restore disc [with ALL OEM-supplied software on it] immediately upon initial out-of-the-box set-up, THEN removing ALL of the unwanted programs, THEN burning a second restore disc.

Burning the restore disk a second time will probably just give you the same thing: Most OEM distributions create the restore disks from what the manufacturer originally installed on the "restore partition." And those I've seen usually limit you to 2 restore sets.

On the other hand, if you've got a utility like ghost, that should work, but early versions may not understand your disk drivers or the new NTFS.

Windows 7 installs really differently than earlier MS OSs. The boot DVD will partition and format your hard drive, then copy much of the installable Windows software to your hard drive BEFORE the installation of Windows actually begins.

Mark

30 posted on 02/19/2012 9:48:01 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Navy Patriot
Your Win 7 product ID # should be on the properties tab of “My Computer”. Microsoft might be able to supply you a disc or download.

Microsoft will NOT do that. The OEM serial number and activation only works with OEM software, which Microsoft will not sell to individuals. You might be able to get one from a system builder, but be prepared to pay the retail price for it.

Microsoft makes a TON of money off of their licensing, and they are very careful how they license systems.

They will not allow you to "mix & match."

Mark

31 posted on 02/19/2012 9:52:02 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Lmo56

I made the serious mistake of trying to upgrade my xp box to windows 7. My next computer is going to be a Mac. I am sick of Microsoft, they sell crappy software.


32 posted on 02/19/2012 10:18:10 PM PST by Psycho_Runner (I never voted for change, I prefer folding money.)
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To: Lmo56

Remove the crapware, and THEN burn your recovery images. Should be easy enough.


33 posted on 02/19/2012 10:21:28 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: MarkL

Run Belarc Advisor (feerware) to see what apps and possible product IDs are on your machine. You may be able to use cd-keyreader to extract the MS OS product key.


34 posted on 02/19/2012 10:46:51 PM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: SgtHooper
Run Belarc Advisor (feerware) to see what apps and possible product IDs are on your machine. You may be able to use cd-keyreader to extract the MS OS product key.

Yes, I'm aware of Belarc, and that works well with XP - Vista, I don't know. But Windows 7 licensing is REALLY complex, compared to earlier versions. And you can't mix an OEM key with non-OEM installation media. And it gets even more complicated when you add additional computers. Once you get to a certain point, you can get volume licensing, but you need at least a minimum number of 2008 servers and/or Windows 7 workstations. Either way, they "check in with home" on a regular basis.

35 posted on 02/19/2012 11:06:18 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: KoRn
Remove the crapware, and THEN burn your recovery images. Should be easy enough.

Just got off of a chat with Acer. Tech's name was Vineeth [so you can guess where he was located].

He said that the recovery partition on the hard disk will ALWAYS put the crapware back onto the disk after recovery ... Mother Trucker !!!

36 posted on 02/19/2012 11:48:38 PM PST by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: Lmo56

This is a very serious reply.

Why don’t you CALL ACER, ask them and get a reply directly from them?

http://www.acer.com

Contact us at 1-800-910-2237, Mon-Fri 8:00am - 5:00pm CST.


37 posted on 02/20/2012 12:24:23 AM PST by Innovative (Weakness is provocative.)
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To: Lmo56

Virtually no one provides OS disks any more; haven’t for quite some time.

Instead, a portion of your hard drive is set up as a “recovery disk”. That’s what you get now days.


38 posted on 02/20/2012 1:11:48 AM PST by RightOnline
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To: Lmo56

Nope, there is no manufacturer today that supplies an OS disk with their PCs. They stopped doing that about the time win98 came out. I would imagine an agreement with MS is the reason. The answer in your case is to do what I did. Buy a copy of Win7 and then format your C drive and put Win7 on it. That is the only way you will be able to do what you are asking.


39 posted on 02/20/2012 3:58:54 AM PST by calex59
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To: MarkL

I’d just call Microsoft and see what they say. They have been good to me in other situations.


40 posted on 02/20/2012 4:06:54 AM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: Lmo56
If your mother is 85 and comfortable with XP there is no reason for her to shift. Even with the support cut off, XP is stable enough that it will be working on very many machines for her foreseeable future. Windows 7 is different enough to be irritating. If you are going to move her, move her to something free and that works, like Ubuntu. I don't recommend moving.


41 posted on 02/20/2012 4:19:07 AM PST by Mycroft Holmes (<= Mash name for HTML Xampp PHP C JavaScript primer)
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To: Lmo56

how about a hugh and series reply?


42 posted on 02/20/2012 4:31:56 AM PST by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: Lmo56
Before you simply erase the hard drive on the (new) computer, I recommend you download any number of free Windows 7 key Finder utilities and scan the (new) computer for the Windows 7 registration keys and any other software you'd want to re-load on the system.

Once you have the key, you can use ANY OTHER Windows 7 DVD (read that: borrowed from a friend, or your own personal copy) to load a new, crap-ware free version of the OS from an OEM disk.

When you load the OS, do not put the license key in during the install process, simply proceed to the next step. The OS will continue to load, and the system will boot as normal with a fresh install. You'll have 30 days to register the OS before it stops working.

At this point, you can register the OS using your original OEM Product Key that you found using the free utility above by doing the following:

1.Click on the Start Button and type: CMD (into the 'Search programs and files' field in the Start Menu)
2.The Start Menu will show 'CMD.exe',
3.Right-click the CMD.exe file and select Run As Administrator.
4.In the CMD window, type: slmgr.vbs -ipk (type your product key here)
5.To activate windows after changing the key, type: slmgr.vbs -ato

Reboot the machine when finished and you have a perfectly LEGAL, fully registered Windows 7 install minus all the crap-ware you didn't want.

I've used the above method a number of times to eliminate crap-ware on computers, it works just fine, and it's alot easier and faster than burning two DVD's.

43 posted on 02/20/2012 4:32:20 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: MarkL
And you can't mix an OEM key with non-OEM installation media.

True, but you CAN mix an OEM key with an UPGRADE media. I did that on the computer I'm typing this reply on. ;-)

The Windows 7 Keyfinder link I posted above finds the Win7 Product Key. You can also use a Win 7 Product Key CHANGER to insert the key, irrespective of the installation media being OEM, Full Install, or Upgrade media. Google "Windows 7 Product Key Changer" to find it.

44 posted on 02/20/2012 4:41:40 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Paladin2

How about DirectX 11?


45 posted on 02/20/2012 4:49:54 AM PST by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: toddausauras
As an apple fan perhaps you can answer me this simple question about their computers. As Apple is using consumer grade components that are the exact same as what goes into PC's, and their OS is just a shell on top of Unix, what is it that you spent the extra money on? You can buy a PC, put whatever flavor of linux on it with a UI that is the same as OS X.

I know we now live in an age where actual performance doesn't mean anything compared to hype and status, but pick any Apple computer and a PC of equal price will out perform it in most objectively measured ways.

46 posted on 02/20/2012 5:10:18 AM PST by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Lmo56

Load win 7 on your old PC from the disks from your newPC.
When the system asks for the activation code use the code from the sticker on you old box. Microsoft doesn’t care where you got the disks, they do care about the activation code though.


47 posted on 02/20/2012 5:24:22 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Defeat Obama. End Obama's War On Freedom.)
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To: Durus

Let me put it this way. I feel like I am driving a fine German automobile now. The visual organization, the ergonomics of typing on it, the metal frame, the NO viruses. It’s not hype and status at all. It’s just a very fine machine. There’s nothing wrong with a PC if you’re surfing the net (other than the crushing viruses that make you end up talking to someone in the Philippine) and doing your taxes but for film editing, music editing etc the mac is so much better.

I resisted for a long time but now I get it. I use a music program pro tools for example that is running smooth as silk now. That’s what prompted the change. I got my new toshiba home a couple weeks ago and it was TERRIBLE with the music program. I just decided, enough with this crap.

I am surrounded by mac snobs and have been for years and now I too can’t help but look at PC’s as though a Porsche owner looking at a Skoda.

So you ask me what I spent my money on (it was waaaay too much I agree)...quality, workmanship, longevity and a virus-free environment.


48 posted on 02/20/2012 5:43:42 AM PST by toddausauras (FUMR x 1,000)
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To: Lmo56

No! You have to buy your own copy of the OS.. have fun


49 posted on 02/20/2012 6:27:27 AM PST by garykfd (American by Birth, Southern by the Grace of God)
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To: Lmo56

I purposefully purchase the Acer Veriton (business) models. They cost a bit more, but seem to have better power supplies and come with a 3 year warranty.

It doesn’t come with a Windows OEM disc, but the bloatware is at a minimum, and most doesn’t install unless you tell it too. Just make sure you don’t allow evil McAfee to install.


50 posted on 02/20/2012 6:39:03 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (May Mitt Romney be the Paul Tsongas of 2012.)
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