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Russians revive Ice Age flower from frozen burrow
AP ^ | 2/20/12 | VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV

Posted on 02/20/2012 8:05:56 PM PST by LibWhacker

MOSCOW (AP) -- It was an Ice Age squirrel's treasure chamber, a burrow containing fruit and seeds that had been stuck in the Siberian permafrost for over 30,000 years. From the fruit tissues, a team of Russian scientists managed to resurrect an entire plant in a pioneering experiment that paves the way for the revival of other species.

The Silene stenophylla is the oldest plant ever to be regenerated, the researchers said, and it is fertile, producing white flowers and viable seeds.

The experiment proves that permafrost serves as a natural depository for ancient life forms, said the Russian researchers, who published their findings in Tuesday's issue of "Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences" of the United States.

(Excerpt) Read more at hosted.ap.org ...


TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: burrow; catastrophism; flower; godsgravesglyphs; iceage; squirrel

1 posted on 02/20/2012 8:06:07 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker
Oh, yeah. Oooh, ahhh, that's how it always starts.
"If we are lucky, we can find some frozen squirrel tissue," Gubin told the AP. "And this path could lead us all the way to mammoth."

Japanese scientists are already searching in the same area for mammoth remains, but Gubin voiced hope that the Russians will be the first to find some frozen animal tissue that could be used for regeneration.

Then later there's running and screaming...
3 posted on 02/20/2012 8:19:32 PM PST by null and void (Day 1126 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: null and void

Ooooooh! Ahhh!

4 posted on 02/20/2012 8:21:31 PM PST by null and void (Day 1126 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: LibWhacker

30,000 years? And, they “know” this how?

Give me a break.


5 posted on 02/20/2012 8:23:39 PM PST by WXRGina (Further up and further in!)
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To: LibWhacker

Is this particular plant species extinct otherwise?


6 posted on 02/20/2012 8:24:50 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: LibWhacker
The Preface of Solzhenitsyn's "The Gulag Archipelago" tells us...

"In 1949 some friends and I came upon a noteworthy news item in Nature, a magazine of the Academy of Sciences. It reported in tiny type that in the course of excavations on the Kolyma River a subterranean ice lens had been discovered which was actually a frozen stream - and in it found frozen specimens of prehistoric fauna some tens of thousands of years old. Whether fish or salamander, these were preserved in so fresh a state, the scientific correspondent reported, that those present immediately broke open the ice encasing the specimens and devoured them with relish on the spot."

Solzhenitsyn went on to explain how starved those prisoners were. A perfect description as to how it was, is, and will always be ... under communism.

7 posted on 02/20/2012 8:25:55 PM PST by OldNavyVet
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To: LibWhacker

http://2007.botanyconference.org/engine/search/index.php?func=detail&aid=2131

“Acknowledgement: The project was supported by grants of US - Hungarian Fulbright Commission.”


8 posted on 02/20/2012 8:29:28 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: OldNavyVet

I wonder if the article describes the people ... probably Gulag prisoners digging for gold ... that found the latest specimens.


9 posted on 02/20/2012 8:32:53 PM PST by OldNavyVet
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To: OldNavyVet

I wonder if the article describes the people ... probably Gulag prisoners digging for gold ... that found the latest specimens.


10 posted on 02/20/2012 8:36:28 PM PST by OldNavyVet
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To: null and void
http://images.wikia.com/jurassicpark/images/a/a5/TLW-IanMalcolm.jpg

http://animals.timduru.org/dirlist/dino/Stegosaurus_J01-Dinosaur_in_TheLostWorld.jpg

I'll tell you the problem with the scientific power you're using here: it didn't require any discipline to attain it. You read what others had done, and you took the next step. You didn't earn the knowledge for yourselves, so you don't take any responsibility for it. You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as you could, and before you even knew what you had, you, you've patented it, and packaged it, you've slapped it on a plastic lunchbox, and now your selling it, you want to sell it!

Seriously Though, I wonder what impact, if any, this may have on any modern planet or animal species, after this Flower being absent for Thousands and thousands of years?

11 posted on 02/20/2012 8:37:07 PM PST by KC_Lion (I will NEVER vote for Romney, the GOP will go the way of the Whigs if they nominate him)
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To: LibWhacker

BFL


12 posted on 02/20/2012 8:38:46 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: OldNavyVet
buried under a Pleistocene-age permafrost at a site near Kolyma, Russia.

The Kolyma River is where Solzhenitsyn spent his prison years.

They had access to books and Solzhenitsyn read a few science books and passed himself off as a trained scientist ... It landed him a State Laboratory where he faked his way through ... and survived.

13 posted on 02/20/2012 8:44:46 PM PST by OldNavyVet
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To: LibWhacker

Sounds like the last bit of A.I.


14 posted on 02/20/2012 8:49:50 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: KC_Lion

Well, if it won’t cross genetically with anything living and other specimens aren’t recovered, it’s probable it won’t have enough genetic diversity to be viable as a natural species.


15 posted on 02/20/2012 8:55:46 PM PST by Post Toasties (Leftists give insanity a bad name. 0bama: Four years of failure and fingerpointing.)
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To: Post Toasties
http://i.qkme.me/355a2p.jpg

You mean like using Using sophisticated techniques, they extract the preserved blood... from the mosquito, and bingo: Dino DNA! And Using the complete DNA of Frog to fill in the holes and complete the code!?

But I suppose you are correct, I still worry about these types of things though, we are meddling in stuff we aren't suppose too, and besides............Life Finds a Way.

16 posted on 02/20/2012 9:13:15 PM PST by KC_Lion (I will NEVER vote for Romney, the GOP will go the way of the Whigs if they nominate him)
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To: KC_Lion

What if the pollen is what killed the squirrel? OMG! Maybe it killed the Dinosaurs!


17 posted on 02/20/2012 9:15:55 PM PST by Dryman (Define Natural Born Citizen)
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To: WXRGina

It was a GREY squirrel!!


18 posted on 02/20/2012 9:22:59 PM PST by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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To: OldNavyVet
Solzhenitsyn was a Math teacher, the Ruskies killed off all of the bright ones in WW2. He was selected to the First Circle to help the Ruskies develop what they got from the Germans as war booty, read the book.
19 posted on 02/20/2012 9:43:52 PM PST by Little Bill (Sorry)
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To: LibWhacker

The Russian scientists also found a frozen human and it reportedly took 3 liters of vodka to thaw him out. Whether the frozen man drank the vodka or the scientists isn’t known. But the thawed man was named the “The No Ice Man” if our translation is correct.


20 posted on 02/20/2012 10:39:46 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: SunkenCiv; LibWhacker

21 posted on 02/20/2012 11:01:09 PM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: BIGLOOK

Simbelmyne. Ever has it grown on the tombs of my forebears.


22 posted on 02/20/2012 11:37:08 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: BIGLOOK

Pretty close. That's the first thing I thought when I saw it... It's Simbelmyne!

23 posted on 02/20/2012 11:40:46 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: Dryman
The Andromeda strain has always been here. It's a genetic pathogen called liberalism.

Scientists refuse to release how it genetically alters the brain.

24 posted on 02/20/2012 11:52:04 PM PST by MaxMax
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To: LibWhacker
That's the species that was written up in the article. But what boggles my mind is why squirrels would stash it away for food.

Must have been a female squirrel.
25 posted on 02/21/2012 12:24:24 AM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: LibWhacker
Makes me wonder if there is enough DNA samples to revive the passenger pigeon.
26 posted on 02/21/2012 1:34:25 AM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again.")
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To: fella

Looks like a phlox


27 posted on 02/21/2012 1:47:33 AM PST by marsh2
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To: LibWhacker
The experiment proves that permafrost serves as a natural depository for ancient life forms, said the Russian researchers

They've been experimenting in secret for a long time.


28 posted on 02/21/2012 3:36:41 AM PST by Moltke (Always retaliate first.)
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To: Moltke

NGAAAAAAAAAK!!! Just bury me in the permafrost please, somebody. That there just kilt me.


29 posted on 02/21/2012 6:05:27 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker; null and void

But can you smoke it?............


30 posted on 02/21/2012 6:36:50 AM PST by Red Badger (If you are unemployed long enough, you are no longer unemployed.)
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To: WXRGina

They asked HT...........


31 posted on 02/21/2012 6:37:45 AM PST by Red Badger (If you are unemployed long enough, you are no longer unemployed.)
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To: LibWhacker

Sorry about that, chief.

But ‘ancient life forms’ were mentioned...you should’ve expected no less.


32 posted on 02/21/2012 7:26:48 AM PST by Moltke (Always retaliate first.)
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To: Little Bill

I’ve read most of Solzhenitzyn’s books and remember his graphical description of “talking” his way out of prison (on a chalkboard during his interview) into some government laboratory operation. And yes, he did study math, and it probably helped in his chalkboard presentation ... turning him into a civil servant.


33 posted on 02/21/2012 8:28:40 AM PST by OldNavyVet
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34 posted on 02/21/2012 8:31:33 AM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: LibWhacker

1. What could possibly go wrong?

2. How was I supposed to know?


35 posted on 02/21/2012 8:37:18 AM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: LibWhacker

ping


36 posted on 02/21/2012 1:29:15 PM PST by BrandtMichaels
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37 posted on 02/21/2012 6:12:12 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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38 posted on 02/21/2012 6:18:22 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Been pondering this for a while. Thirty millenia and surviving annual....brings up the notion of site contamination to me.


39 posted on 02/21/2012 6:27:50 PM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: BIGLOOK; JustaDumbBlonde; Red_Devil 232

Garden Ping?


40 posted on 02/21/2012 6:50:02 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: BIGLOOK; JustaDumbBlonde; Red_Devil 232

Garden Ping?


41 posted on 02/21/2012 6:50:05 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: marsh2

Close, but no cigar: it’s a white campion, closely related to (& resembles) carnations & pinks—same family; different genus.

Lots of species in each genus.

Phlox is in a totally different family; even though the individual flowers look similar, the total plant is very different.


42 posted on 02/21/2012 6:53:57 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (If any of their "Alternatives" actually works, the Greenies will proceed to kill it.)
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To: KC_Lion
Actually, what you are afraid of has already happened numerous times, and it doesn't take a species preserved in ice from 30,000 years ago to cause it.

There must be dozens, if not hundreds of instances where species from one continent, say, Asia has been introduced to North America and significantly changed parts of the biosphere, species like the Asian carp which have largely taken over the Great Lakes. Or the zebra mussel from Russia which was introduced into the Great Lakes by ships emptying their bilges.

And how about Dutch Elm Disease and Chestnut blight, both imported tree diseases that have transformed many thousands of square miles of forest?

Then there are invasive species. On my property, buckthorn and honeysuckle plants gone wild are replacing much of the natural undergrowth and inhibiting new tree growth in forested areas as they are over much of the United States.

Virtually all of these invasive species grew elsewhere on earth for tens of thousands to millions of years before being inadvertently introduced to the American biosphere where in many cases they have few or no natural enemies to keep them in check.

43 posted on 02/21/2012 10:02:17 PM PST by Post Toasties (Leftists give insanity a bad name. 0bama: Four years of failure and fingerpointing.)
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To: KC_Lion; null and void; decimon; SunkenCiv; no-to-illegals; blam; All

Sounds like the impact would be more squirrel food. And if they want something really old, they should try to resurrect the almost 300 million year old forest described and with neat pictures (artists imagination) in this article.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/21/298-million-year-old-forest-unearthed_n_1290578.html?ref=science&ncid=webmail11


44 posted on 02/21/2012 10:09:37 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: fella; libwacker; SunkenCiv; All

It would be nice if we could restore the passenger pigeon. One problem is that they need the stimulus of a large flock to get their reproductive hormones flowing. Might be expensive growing a number from different museum samples for genetic diversity.


45 posted on 02/21/2012 10:13:54 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

Anything ending in “pigeon” is something we have enough of right now. :’)


46 posted on 02/21/2012 10:26:16 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: BIGLOOK

Using this new one to examine the mutation rate (assuming there are descendants that survive) might be a good idea. :’)


47 posted on 02/21/2012 10:28:42 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: gleeaikin

Neat. Thanks.


48 posted on 02/22/2012 6:58:02 AM PST by blam
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To: Post Toasties
"buckthorn and honeysuckle plants gone wild are replacing much of the natural undergrowth and inhibiting new tree growth in forested areas as they are over much of the United States."

I heard that!

I guess even the more reason to be careful introducing Extinct plant (or animal) spices back in the Biosphere.

49 posted on 02/22/2012 9:08:45 AM PST by KC_Lion (I will NEVER vote for Romney, the GOP will go the way of the Whigs if they nominate him)
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To: Post Toasties
Virtually all of these invasive species grew elsewhere on earth for tens of thousands to millions of years before being inadvertently introduced to the American biosphere where in many cases they have few or no natural enemies to keep them in check.

The state of California is so overgrown with non-native flora that it is difficult to imagine the state's original appearance.

50 posted on 02/24/2012 8:22:54 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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