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Is Farming Brain-Dead Chickens More Ethical? (Matrix-style Chicken Factories)
DVICE ^ | Feb 24, 2012 | Evan Ackerman

Posted on 02/25/2012 12:37:19 PM PST by DogByte6RER

Is farming brain-dead chickens more ethical?

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Architecture Student André Ford is proposing raising chickens for meat in vertical racks after severing their frontal cortexes, rendering them effectively brain-dead. It would be much, much more efficient, there's no doubt about that, but would it be any more ethical than current factory farms?

The images of the conceptual chicken racks are fairly disturbing- the chickens are suspended, completely immobile, with their feet removed. Tubes feed water and nutrients directly into the them while other tubes carry away waste. The chickens themselves, though, aren't suffering at all, since their brains have been surgically cut in half, rendering them permanently unconscious. Basically, what you're looking at aren't animals anymore: they're just pieces of meat that are being grown for consumption.

A system like this would significantly reduce the amount of space needed to farm chickens, raising productivity while cutting costs. And arguably, it's better for the chickens, too, since being factory farmed is a miserably inhumane experience. In an ideal world, chickens would roam free in the wild, and there'd be no factories at all. But this isn't how it works, and while you're perfectly free to buy only super happy free range organic chickens, demand is such that factory farms aren't likely to disappear.

The fact that this concept is a lot like The Matrix isn't lost on the artist, but in this case, the chickens don't have it nearly as good:

"The similarities are patent, although in The Matrix the dominant species were kind enough to provide the sub-species with a alternate reality, which was far better than the their 'real' post-apocalyptic world. This was a lovely gesture by 'The Machines', but the chickens in this system will not be privy to such a luxurious appendage to an already elaborate system, especially in this age of austerity."

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What the chickens would experience might not be a fantasy world filled with the chicken equivalent of the woman in the red dress, but it's possible that no reality is better than the reality of a factory farm. We should be clear that this is just an art project, and as far as we know no chickens were harmed in the making of it, but it definitely raises some questions about some of the ways in which we get our food.

So, what do you think? Are brain-dead chickens in racks a more ethical way to manufacture food, or not?


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Food; Miscellaneous; Pets/Animals; Science; Society; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: bioengineeredfood; braindead; bravenewworld; chicken; chickenmcnuggets; colonelsanders; cookbook; ethics; factoryfarms; food; kfc; kosher; matrix; napl; nuggets; peta; thematrix; whitemeat
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Q: Are brain-dead chickens in racks a more ethical way to manufacture food, or not?

A: It depends ... will the brain-dead chickens taste better?

1 posted on 02/25/2012 12:37:33 PM PST by DogByte6RER
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2 posted on 02/25/2012 12:39:43 PM PST by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER

They would have to electrically stimulate the muscles, otherwise there would be no meat to eat.


3 posted on 02/25/2012 12:41:02 PM PST by aimhigh
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To: DogByte6RER

4 posted on 02/25/2012 12:41:15 PM PST by null and void (Day 1131 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: DogByte6RER

Ethical? We kill animals and eat them. That’s the way the world works. Chickens kill worms, insects and other living organisms to feed themselves just as we do. Chickens even kill and eat each other if one of them gets injured and shows blood.


5 posted on 02/25/2012 12:43:35 PM PST by bigdirty
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To: aimhigh
Fact is, cortical extirpation would be unnecessary because chickens are really stupid animals. Anyway, society runs its institutions (schools, prisons, nursing homes) on dead chicken so it is all academic what the chickens might think about it.
6 posted on 02/25/2012 12:46:23 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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Photobucket Photobucket Photobucket An eight-month old rooster stands on some grass May 22, 2002 at the Hebrew University in Rehovot. Israeli scientists at the Agriculture department of the university have genetically engineered bare-skinned chickens as part of a research project to develop succulent, low fat poultry that is environmentally friendly. The naked chicken, as the bird has been dubbed, would also save poultry farmers large amounts of money on ventilation to prevent their chickens from overheating. REUTERS/Havakuk Levison
7 posted on 02/25/2012 12:51:13 PM PST by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER

There’s an Old Testament admonition not to use meat cut from a living animal for food, so yes there is a level of depravity involved in doing this, for Jews and Christians at least.

Modern factory farming is already disturbing enough, clipping their beaks because raising them so thoroughly packed into a space causes them to go berserk.

Treat them mercifully, at least give them a halfway decent existence for the short time they’re on this earth; it’s not as if they aren’t already giving their lives to sustain us.

Surgically altering their brains so they are presumably unaware that their feet have been amputated, theyr’e immobilized and have a feeding tube shoved down their throat does not strike me as merciful, it strikes me as vile.

And, before anybody goes off, no, I’m not vegetarian. I grew up around farm animals, and any decent farmer will care for his livestock, treating them well. That their ultimate fate was the dinner table mattered not, don’t be cruel to them.


8 posted on 02/25/2012 12:51:22 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: DogByte6RER

“rendering them effectively brain-dead.”

The morons who propose things like this obviously know nothing about chickens. No chicken has a thought in its head worth considering. Anyone with the slightest bit of concern for the welfare of chickens that are raised to be consumed is brain-dead themselves.


9 posted on 02/25/2012 12:51:59 PM PST by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: DogByte6RER
What's the big deal?

Democrats and RINOs farm brain-dead semi-humans all the time.

10 posted on 02/25/2012 12:52:09 PM PST by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: DogByte6RER

Only in a Godless world, gone mad, can this sort of thing make any sense at all.

This is beyond crazy and evil.


11 posted on 02/25/2012 12:54:01 PM PST by William of Barsoom (In Omnia, Paratus)
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To: DogByte6RER

It would be worse for us (and my dogs) wouldn’t it? The chickens would move around even less and tube feeding them nutrients????

We just spent a tidy sum today taking our pup for an emergency vet visit. Turned out she had pancreatitis.

I cook her food and use chicken thigh/leg quarters and now I will be using breasts—her fat intake needs to be 6%-8%.

She has heart problems and needed a low salt diet—it was cheaper to cook her food than to buy the processed ones like Blue Buffalo yada.

I have also noticed since the late 80’s, buying fried chicken at the chains— there is much more yucky fat that needs to be picked through.

I think this idea is brain-dead. I don’t even see it as more humane.


12 posted on 02/25/2012 12:57:59 PM PST by Irenic
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To: DogByte6RER

Obama supports this research. . . he needs more brain-dead voters !! (evil grin)


13 posted on 02/25/2012 12:58:10 PM PST by Salgak
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To: Slings and Arrows

a chicken-wing ping


14 posted on 02/25/2012 1:00:57 PM PST by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER

I don’t want a world where only human beings and soybeans are alive.

All lives are precious, including those of the animals we are raising for food—and they should be treated humanely.


15 posted on 02/25/2012 1:04:41 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Irenic

If commercially available food and food in the grocery store ends up coming from The Island Of Dr. Moreau, I won’t be buying it, I’ll patonize local farmers or grow it myself. This is just as repulsive as those so-called “hamburgers” made from human waste by Japanese scientists.


16 posted on 02/25/2012 1:05:33 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: 9YearLurker

Thank you.


17 posted on 02/25/2012 1:07:09 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: GenXteacher
A chicken has a brain probably the size of a pea?

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_big_is_the_full_grown_chickens_brain

Similar to supporters of a politician we talk about here frequently.

18 posted on 02/25/2012 1:07:44 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: GenXteacher

That’s not true at all. Chickens can be lovely, sweet animals and devoted pets.

What kind of brutal idiocy are you teaching our kids?


19 posted on 02/25/2012 1:08:10 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: DogByte6RER

there are state university systems that have been doing it for years with their students.


20 posted on 02/25/2012 1:09:35 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: null and void

That is a good one.


21 posted on 02/25/2012 1:10:02 PM PST by EEGator
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To: DogByte6RER; MeekOneGOP; Conspiracy Guy; DocRock; King Prout; Darksheare; OSHA; martin_fierro; ...
Dancing Chicken


22 posted on 02/25/2012 1:13:36 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: DogByte6RER

I hear that they’re working on a similar system for cows.

They call it the Mootrix.

[W/apologies to Scott Kurtz.]


23 posted on 02/25/2012 1:16:27 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

“Surgically altering their brains so they are presumably unaware that their feet have been amputated, theyr’e immobilized and have a feeding tube shoved down their throat does not strike me as merciful, it strikes me as vile.”

Agreed.

I wonder what Frank Perdue would have to say about this?


24 posted on 02/25/2012 1:20:41 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: Slings and Arrows
Donald Duck ROFLMBO
25 posted on 02/25/2012 1:21:14 PM PST by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: GenXteacher

“The morons who propose things like this obviously know nothing about chickens. No chicken has a thought in its head worth considering. Anyone with the slightest bit of concern for the welfare of chickens that are raised to be consumed is brain-dead themselves.”

How long ‘til the ObamaCare “panels” apply the same techniques to the elderly in nursing homes, with the goal of making them “easier to care for” at lower expense??


26 posted on 02/25/2012 1:22:54 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: RegulatorCountry
clipping their beaks because raising them so thoroughly packed into a space causes them to go berserk.

LOL! Ignorance on display.

27 posted on 02/25/2012 1:24:20 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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To: DogByte6RER
See the funky future...“test-tube” meat


28 posted on 02/25/2012 1:30:16 PM PST by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

I’ll patonize local farmers or grow it myself.
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Dittos! Actually the mister and I have been kicking around the idea of raising some chickens with ups and downs to the idea.

The bad side, I worry if my crazy, hyper, mutts would cause a problem and the mister swears up and down I would get attached. Nope, nope—my family raised and butchered calves when I was a kid.

Having four dogs— sadly, two probably won’t live that much longer (they are pretty old for big pups). I think chickens at this point may be more than I want to take on.

But, the more I read about all this crazy petri-dish hamburger, people eating insects, brain-dead chickens...the more I think raising your own or finding a local small farmer is the ONLY answer.

God help us all.


29 posted on 02/25/2012 1:30:28 PM PST by Irenic
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To: bigdirty

“Ethical? We kill animals and eat them. That’s the way the world works. Chickens kill worms, insects and other living organisms to feed themselves just as we do. Chickens even kill and eat each other if one of them gets injured and shows blood”.

Exactly!!!!

I tend to believe that God prepared the non human species just as man was prepared for life here.

The animals have a destiny to be managed by man for man’s benefit. They accept that destiny willingly in most cases.

To say that mans efforts are contrary to some ethical construct different than what is found in the 28th verse of Genesis Ch 1 wherein man was to have dominion over every living thing that moveth upon the earth seems foreign to my mind.

The above in appearance like those who blame man for global warming, just another God isn’t smart enough to create or run earth. Man the great usurper just has to intervene, and make things right, after his image and not what the Almighty has ordained.


30 posted on 02/25/2012 1:32:38 PM PST by wita
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To: DogByte6RER

One escaped!


31 posted on 02/25/2012 1:33:44 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: GenXteacher
Chickens think. And make clever wishes.


32 posted on 02/25/2012 1:34:57 PM PST by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

And, before anybody goes off, no, I’m not vegetarian. I grew up around farm animals, and any decent farmer will care for his livestock, treating them well. That their ultimate fate was the dinner table mattered not, don’t be cruel to them.

Amen.


33 posted on 02/25/2012 1:35:59 PM PST by wita
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To: DogByte6RER
Nekkid chickens need dressing!


34 posted on 02/25/2012 1:37:46 PM PST by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Thank you, I agree. I am an animal lover and I love meat, too. God told us to subdue the earth, and He gave us the animals for food and to care for. Somehow I just don’t think this is what He had in mind.


35 posted on 02/25/2012 1:40:39 PM PST by CatherineofAragon (I can haz Romney's defeat?)
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To: DogByte6RER
No topless chicks on the thread yet? PFFT!
36 posted on 02/25/2012 1:43:09 PM PST by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Ignorance on display? Really? I knew several farmers who had commercial chicken farms, before Holly Farms was bought out. I also know what they had to compete with afterwards, and why just about all of them chose or were forced to pursue other farming interests.

You say ignorance, but don’t make any attempt to refute it. That says to me that you can’t.


37 posted on 02/25/2012 1:53:59 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: DogByte6RER

I don’t like it. I like the idea of a chicken having spent some time in the sunlight, breathing the air, eating some insects off the ground.

No, this is.. kind of sick.


38 posted on 02/25/2012 1:54:46 PM PST by Thorliveshere
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To: Slings and Arrows
Funky chicken


39 posted on 02/25/2012 1:56:29 PM PST by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Daffynition

YouTumbe video ... Mike the Headless Chicken

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATz3AdbjyRI&feature=player_embedded#!


40 posted on 02/25/2012 1:59:30 PM PST by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER

The chicken is just a machine that converts grain into tasty meat protein. Rather than the disturbing process described in this article, why not concentrate on developing a more efficient machine for the conversion? The proteins that comprise meat can be grown artificially with all the chemical (and nutritional) properties of the “real thing” (if still somewhat lacking in some of the flavor subtleties). Spend the effort on refining that process, not in developing some diabolical machinery like this that still uses living tissue, regardless of how lobotomized (or “Democrat-ized”) it is.


41 posted on 02/25/2012 2:05:25 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: Irenic

We’re getting our first batch of chickens this spring. The missus has been working on me for a few years now. I’m drawing up plans for the “chicken tractor” now. It is portable so as to move over the fallow garden areas in preparation for next year. We’ll see. :{)


42 posted on 02/25/2012 2:06:30 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Debeaking has been standard practice since (at least) before WWII. It wouldn’t suprise me to learn that it’s been around for hundreds of years. It has nothing to do with ‘going beserk’.

Where do you think the phrase ‘pecking order’ came from?

It came from observing chickens and how they naturally interact with the weaker chickens.


43 posted on 02/25/2012 2:07:25 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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To: DogByte6RER
Most liberals/socialists/communist are brain dead, can we farm them?

The democRat party is an advertisement for Soylent Green.

5.56mm

44 posted on 02/25/2012 2:09:28 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Balding_Eagle
I worked on chicken farms in South Jersey as a kid in the late 60s into the early 70s. All the chicks or pullets we would get delivered had their beaks burnt flat so when they got older they would not kill each other. Back then the chickens ran free in a large room. Chickens are cannibalistic and will attack each other. Once a bird receives a head wound that is bleeding all the other chickens just keep on pecking that spot.
45 posted on 02/25/2012 2:18:42 PM PST by 4yearlurker
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46 posted on 02/25/2012 2:21:11 PM PST by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER

I had some really crappy quality chicken tonight. Now I know why.

I saw his right after pitching my chicken in the garbage.

Now, I am gonna go puke.


47 posted on 02/25/2012 2:23:02 PM PST by dforest
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To: gorush

I wonder if a chicken thread like similar to the gardening threads would be acceptable?

We are riding the edge of giving it a try but knowing some good first-hand experience sure would be nice!

I started to research and it seemed so wide open on opinions and such that it was overwhelming!

What kind of chickens are y’all getting? I am not even sure where to start. :p


48 posted on 02/25/2012 2:24:13 PM PST by Irenic
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To: GenXteacher

“Anyone with the slightest bit of concern for the welfare of chickens that are raised to be consumed is brain-dead themselves.”

Wow. Not only do you manage to come off as completely callous towards animals with that statement, but you also manage to insult your fellow man, simply for wishing to be benevolent.

“You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him.”—Malcolm S. Forbes.


49 posted on 02/25/2012 2:27:46 PM PST by Boogieman
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gah! like
50 posted on 02/25/2012 2:27:46 PM PST by Irenic
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