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Husband of woman hit by shopping cart at Harlem Target suing shopping center
New York Post ^ | February 26, 2012 | KATHIANNE BONIELLO

Posted on 02/26/2012 8:07:49 AM PST by ConservativeStatement

The husband of a Manhattan real-estate agent left with severe injuries after a shopping cart was dropped on her head from an East Harlem parking garage claims lax security caused the devastating accident.

Michael Hedges claims in a lawsuit against the East River Plaza shopping center that if there had been enough security at the mall, two teens wouldn’t have been able to send the shopping cart plunging four stories onto his wife’s head.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Local News
KEYWORDS: lawsuit; target; yoots
The defense: The "misguided yoots" misunderstood the definition of Target.
1 posted on 02/26/2012 8:07:55 AM PST by ConservativeStatement
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To: ConservativeStatement

The land on which that mall was built was seized from private businesses via eminent domain. So maybe the victim should sue New York City.


2 posted on 02/26/2012 8:10:26 AM PST by BCrago66
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To: ConservativeStatement

Target in Harlem? There goes the neighborhood.


3 posted on 02/26/2012 8:11:15 AM PST by the invisib1e hand
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To: the invisib1e hand

Instead of blaming the feral “youth” who drop shopping carts on people’s heads for fun, we blame the retailers for not having enough security to protect people from feral “youth”.


4 posted on 02/26/2012 8:14:45 AM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: ConservativeStatement
You'd have to have a LOT of security guards to keep unattended yutes from doing wrong. Two or three for every store and a guard patrolling every 50 feet or so.

Now, it might not be a bad idea for stores to have a "no unattended yutes" policy... Then you just need a couple guards at every entrance.

5 posted on 02/26/2012 8:15:44 AM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: Dilbert San Diego
OcomeON. How the hell can a lawyer upgrade the manse in the Hamptons doing that kind of business? You can't buy a judge for less than 6 figures these days.
6 posted on 02/26/2012 8:19:31 AM PST by the invisib1e hand
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To: ConservativeStatement

To be consistent with the anti-gun zealots, she should have sued the SHOPPING CART MANUFACTURER! It’s obviously their fault that the shopping cart decided to jump in a suicide attempt!


7 posted on 02/26/2012 8:30:53 AM PST by winner3000 (ss)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Dilbert, don't forget the poor misguided yutes (Utes have other problems) have no, zip, nada, zero money to pay the legal fees. Much less any left over for Michael Hedges. I am sure that New York City would plead “Sovereign Immunity” and skate. So that only leave Target with enough money to pay the lawyer, the judge and a little left over for Michael Hedges. The way I figure it. 50% to 60% for the ambulance chaser, 30% for the judge (ambulance chaser turned “public servant”) that leaves 10% to 20% for the Hedges.
8 posted on 02/26/2012 8:38:20 AM PST by Tupelo ( 2012 TEA PARTYER but no longer a Republican)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Instead of blaming the feral “youth” who drop shopping carts on people’s heads for fun, we blame the retailers for not having enough security to protect people from feral “youth”.

Who has the deepest pockets, the feral yutes or Target?

10 posted on 02/26/2012 8:42:43 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the fascists.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

I feel badly for this lady. She didn’t just write a check, but actually donated her time for poor kids. Nonetheless, she obviously realized and accepted the dangers involved in going to a neighborhood like this. There’s no possible way a shopping mall could hire enough police or guards to completely guarantee anyone’s safety. This suit should be thrown out and re-directed against the thugs who committed the crime. Sadly, unless a shopping cart falls on one of them, none of these punks are ever gonna have any money.


11 posted on 02/26/2012 8:54:01 AM PST by Krankor (eenie meenie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Two thoughts:

One of the reasons why businesses don’t establish themselves in poor neighborhoods stems from high crime rates, not to mention the entitlement mentality of the customers. We got a twofer here.

Second, I would bet that just about all the students in my freshmen English classroom would have enough empathy in their still-growing little brains to understand that dropping a big object from a substantial height might hurt someone on the ground. Apparently not these kids in the parking garage (assuming it was done intentionally). If it wasn’t done intentionally, and we’re dealing with some short-sighted teenagers whose goofing around got out of hand, than it’s tragedy. (By the way, “short-sighted” is the core quality of being a teenager.)

I guess we’ll see what the truth is here in a while.


12 posted on 02/26/2012 9:15:00 AM PST by redpoll
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To: ConservativeStatement

Gee, you mean they’re not suing the cart manufacturer?


13 posted on 02/26/2012 9:29:52 AM PST by ItsForTheChildren
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To: ConservativeStatement

I may be alone in agreeing with his decision to sue. Very bad design of the store and garage facility, to allow shopping carts at a high elevation without safeguards. We have a multi-story Target store with attached garage at our local mall. Although carts can travel on all levels of the store (via a cart escalator), the carts can only leave the store at the ground level.


14 posted on 02/26/2012 10:18:29 AM PST by roadcat
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To: redpoll

Kids do a lot of stupid things. Even older kids. We had a dorm at my college, 6 stories, build as a square with an enclosed interior patio area. I would occasionally venture into there to pick up empty beer cans for recycling, but quietly and quickly because the kids in the dorm “guarded” their trash, and would throw things at people who were in there.

There were several large pieces of furniture, and a couple of major appliances scattered around. Clearly any of these would have done real damage if they hit someone. And these were “adults”.

I can imagine as a child doing something stupid with a shopping cart, although I hope I wouldn’t drop one where people were walking. I could imagine pushing one down a street, not thinking about how it could cause a car accident. Kids don’t really think. They just do.


15 posted on 02/26/2012 11:02:47 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: ConservativeStatement

This is a rare case where I agree with such a suit.

Teeing up shopping carts four storeys above the innocent in Harlem is totally irresponsible.


16 posted on 02/26/2012 11:06:36 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Krankor

Putting shopping carts up on a roof with the general public, four storeys above the street, is just asking for trouble in this neighborhood.

I don’t care if the kids should have been responsible, anyone passing by on the street should not have been put at such risk.


17 posted on 02/26/2012 11:09:14 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: ConservativeStatement

And when the shopping center closes down, the locals will scream racism.


18 posted on 02/26/2012 11:27:16 AM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: roadcat

We don’t know from this story if the Harlem store has the ‘cart escalator’ or not How else are shoppers going to get their carts from floor to floor in the store or to their car(s) in the garage?

These kids seem generally to have had no respect for rules or others’ property, but wanted to do damage. No cart escalator was going to stop them. They could have removed the cart from such an escalator or track if one exists in the garage, or even on the ground floor and taken it up to the garage’s 4th floor.

Mr. Hedges seems to think there should have been more guards patrolling the garage. With kids as uncivilized as these, there are not enough patrol guards in the world to stop them from creating the havoc they are intent on committing.

As lacking in details as the story is, it explains amply why businesses stay the he!! out of Harlem.


19 posted on 02/26/2012 11:37:35 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: EDINVA

Hi, honey!

Our local Aldi stores have a chain system where you have to put a quarter in to get a cart out, and you get it back when you replace the cart.

Just sayin.’


20 posted on 02/26/2012 11:45:47 AM PST by Albion Wilde ("The facts of life are Tory." -- Margaret Thatcher)
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To: ConservativeStatement

If I would have pushed a shopping cart onto a woman from the fourth floor of a parking garage when I was 13 years old, My dad would have taken me up to the fourth floor of that garage, chained me inside a shopping cart, given me a feather to hold in each hand, and then pushed me over the edge screaming “Fly, you little sh-thead, Fly!”


21 posted on 02/26/2012 11:52:05 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: EDINVA
In our Target store, the cart escalator is next to the people escalator. You push your shopping cart into the cart escalator, and then you step onto the people escalator which travels slightly faster. At the other end, you retrieve the cart as it comes off the escalator. The carts are free to move around the store. At the upper levels, the exits towards the parking garage upper levels have stairs and poles to prohibit removing the carts from the store. You can only exit the store with carts at ground level. I agree with you that patrol guards are useless.

I've seen pictures of the Target store in Harlem, and the carts are allowed to leave the store's upper levels on bridges that enter the parking structure. No barriers at all. Poor design. It's true that these Harlem punks could throw any miscellaneous heavy objects off the bridge onto that white woman. But the store's poor design aided the punks in giving them ammunition for their twisted amusement. My personal opinion is that the punks should be knee-capped as punishment, but lib judges will give them a pass.

22 posted on 02/26/2012 12:07:13 PM PST by roadcat
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To: roadcat
Forget the shopping carts, if someone was so inclined, they could bring anything heavy into the parking garage in their car or truck and throw it at people below. Someone threw a brick off of an overpass onto the freeway, it hit the windshield of a passing car and the woman had a wreck and died.

Rules and regulations are good and well meaning but evil people will find a way. I am in favor of cameras so you can get a picture of a perp and arrest them but some people are against cameras. You are damned if you do and damned if you don't, as my mother used to say.

23 posted on 02/26/2012 12:21:16 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Albion Wilde

Yes, it’s a good system. I’m surprised that other stores haven’t adopted that system; I’m sure it cuts down on stolen and/or damaged carts.


24 posted on 02/26/2012 1:21:51 PM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: 9YearLurker

This could have been avoided if a good civil engineer had designed the parking garage in a way to prevent large objects from being dumped over the rail. No excuse for the feral yutes, but it should have been anticipated.


25 posted on 02/26/2012 1:37:34 PM PST by 9422WMR (Life is not fair, just deal with it.)
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To: roadcat

I wonder if some of the design/access wasn’t NYC’s rules/regs? Maybe restricting cart exit only to the ground floor was deemed unfriendly to customers? And, really, tho it’s their job to anticipate virtually any circumstance, who’d have foreseen two early teens (or anyone) heaving a shopping cart up over a Jersey wall and down 4 stories.

I hadn’t realized the victim is white, and hope the matter doesn’t get more complicated because she was racially targeted (no pun intended, cause it ain’t funny). I think I just assumed all the parties were minorities.

The whole incident is just horrible. And, no matter the result of the suit, her life and her family’s life will never be the same again. Nor will those boys’ or their families’ lives.


26 posted on 02/26/2012 7:30:00 PM PST by EDINVA
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