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Posted on 02/26/2012 12:10:37 PM PST by YankeeMagic

I am looking to upgrade my camera. I have a point and shoot Sony. I am looking for better quality pictures and the ability to take pictures of my son playing sports (fast speed no blur). Having said this, I am a total novice.. any advice?


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1 posted on 02/26/2012 12:10:41 PM PST by YankeeMagic
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To: YankeeMagic

I have a Canon Rebel 2 that I am happy with.

Takes great pictures in darkened rooms (like a concert hall).


2 posted on 02/26/2012 12:12:07 PM PST by sauropod (You can elect your very own tyranny - Marc Levin)
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To: sauropod

Thanks.. have you tried taking any sports pics?


3 posted on 02/26/2012 12:14:55 PM PST by YankeeMagic
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To: sauropod

I got my son a Go-Pro Hero 2 camera for Christmas. He loves it. Takes up to 10 pictures per second.


4 posted on 02/26/2012 12:15:04 PM PST by Stirner
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To: YankeeMagic

Nope.

Main purpose for me buying it was to be able to take pictures of documents in places like libraries and courthouses.


5 posted on 02/26/2012 12:19:06 PM PST by sauropod (You can elect your very own tyranny - Marc Levin)
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To: YankeeMagic; SWAMPSNIPER

Ping to Swampsniper
(check out his gorgeous picture posts)


6 posted on 02/26/2012 12:22:29 PM PST by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for the FReeper Online Cookbook 2011)
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To: YankeeMagic

Since you’re a total novice, check out the Nikon 1. It’s fully capable of action photography and beginner friendly. However, I would recomend something along the lines of an EOS Rebel or Nikon D series if you’re willing to invest the time in learning to operate the camera.


7 posted on 02/26/2012 12:23:29 PM PST by Melas (u)
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To: YankeeMagic

If taking sports pics, you have to pan the camera with the moving object if you are in hopes of getting a clear picture of the subject using typical shutter speeds. If you have the ability to use defined shutter speeds, you have the ability to stop most everything but you also loose depth. You also need to learn how to squeeze the shutter button just like shooting a gun. If you jerk the button, the image itself will be jerked as well. This is the most common mistake when shooting action pictures.

Find articles on how to take racing pictures to get a better idea, but most times it is the subject you want and not the background in focus. Not knowing the ins and outs of digital SLR’s, I would need to see if it is the same as regular film SLR’s.


8 posted on 02/26/2012 12:24:00 PM PST by mazda77 (and I am a Native Texan)
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To: YankeeMagic

What kind of price range are you talking about ?

What sports ? Lenses have a lot to do with sports photography over cameras.

I’m a Canon fan but Nikon just introduced a 36.3 megapixel profession camera for under $3000 which I think will force Canon to lower their prices.


9 posted on 02/26/2012 12:24:00 PM PST by Newbomb Turk (Hey Newbomb, Where's your brothers El Camino ?)
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To: YankeeMagic

It depends on how much you have to spend.

Any name brand current DSLR is capable of excellent pictures. Some of the more expensive and newer ones will do better at higher ISO settings, and some of them are getting pretty close to amazing.

If your funds are limited, put your money into good quality optics, well that is a good idea anyway. Some of the independent lens makers are excellent as long as you get their top of the line. For instance the Tokina, Tamron, Sigma, 80-200 80-210 f2.8 are good for sports.

Also an 85mm f1.8 is typically extremely sharp and not too high. Also a 50mm f1.4, or f1.8 are often great deals.


10 posted on 02/26/2012 12:24:57 PM PST by yarddog
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To: YankeeMagic

I’d go with the Canon Rebel as well. Reasonably priced and very capable for your needs.


11 posted on 02/26/2012 12:26:16 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Melas

I have been looking at the Canon Rebel T2i or Rebel T3i.
Just hope they wouldn’t get me in over my head and I would miss a good pic..


12 posted on 02/26/2012 12:26:41 PM PST by YankeeMagic
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To: YankeeMagic
I have a Canon 60 D and use Canon's 18-135 kit lens for just about everything.

I also have the 430 EX II Speedlight flash which is a great help for even outdoor shots when working close up.

I think you can find a used 50 D for small money at Craigslist or B&H Camera also has used stuff.

Good luck.

13 posted on 02/26/2012 12:26:41 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Beware the Sweater Vest)
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To: YankeeMagic; SWAMPSNIPER

Camera advise


14 posted on 02/26/2012 12:26:41 PM PST by Irenic
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To: yarddog

Oh I forgot, do not worry about megapixels. They all have plenty. Even my old Pentax 6 mp does fine for nearly everything.


15 posted on 02/26/2012 12:27:38 PM PST by yarddog
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To: YankeeMagic
An 'entry level" DSLR won't cost much more than a good point and shoot but the capability will be drastically improved.

I like Sony, I can use all the great old Minolta Maxxum lenses, lots of great deals.

16 posted on 02/26/2012 12:27:52 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: cripplecreek

I use a Nikon D90 DSLR for stuff at work and around the house. It’s a little expensive, but man, does it ever take great pictures.


17 posted on 02/26/2012 12:28:02 PM PST by lgjhn23
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To: sauropod

I have used digital SLR NIKON cameras for some time with a selection of lenses you can set it up for anything

http://www.nikonusa.com/Nikon-Products/Digital-SLR-Cameras/index.page


18 posted on 02/26/2012 12:30:08 PM PST by mouser (Run the rats out its the only chance we have)
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To: YankeeMagic

Recently purchased the Sony HX-100V. Couldn’t be happier. Has all the bells and whistles, including numerous factory settings that make picture taking a breeze, while still enabling you to do your own settings. Paid $386.


19 posted on 02/26/2012 12:30:47 PM PST by The Citizen Soldier (America needs Gingrich in 2012 about as much as England needed Churchill in 1940!)
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To: Newbomb Turk

I son plays baseball and basketball, so looking for a camera that’s good for that and also just family pics..


20 posted on 02/26/2012 12:31:07 PM PST by YankeeMagic
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To: YankeeMagic

what distance will you be taking pictures from, what kind of sports?


21 posted on 02/26/2012 12:31:33 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: YankeeMagic

They are more difficult to use. Most users by a decent SLR, keep it on auto and then wonder why never have good pics. If you’re not willing to forgo the auto and scene settings and set your own iso, white balance, shutter speed, etc, you’re wasting your money. Really, take a good look at the Nikon 1. It’s the best hand-holding camera I’ve ever seen.


22 posted on 02/26/2012 12:32:38 PM PST by Melas (u)
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To: rolling_stone

School sports, baseball/basketball


23 posted on 02/26/2012 12:33:07 PM PST by YankeeMagic
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To: YankeeMagic

The Canon Eos Rebel 2 or 3 has gotten several recommendations, and they’re fine digital SLR cameras, little reason to spring for. 3 over a 2 Ti though, imho. You’re talking in the range of 500.00 for those, though, if that is an issue. The new Canon Powershot just below those is gettong very good reviews, if you’re looking in a lower price bracket.


24 posted on 02/26/2012 12:36:39 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: YankeeMagic

I don’t know much about this at all. The mister uses a http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Nikon_COOLPIX_P90/

I think it takes really nice pictures, he tells me there are a lot nicer ones especially if you are going for action/movement shots. Anyhow, the one the mister uses is decently priced and I am happy with the photos he takes. I use my phone mostly, (hahaha) so I know jack.

I am sure SWAMPSNIPER will answer your questions best and steer you towards the best camera.


25 posted on 02/26/2012 12:41:22 PM PST by Irenic
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To: YankeeMagic

Was that you just a minute ago on the Kim Kamando Show asking the same question?


26 posted on 02/26/2012 12:46:48 PM PST by Randy Larsen (No Romney vote from my family!)
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To: YankeeMagic
I bought a Casio Exilim EX-FH25 about a year ago for super slow-motion videos of my Nephew pitching. It also takes fine pictures with a fairly wide lens. Paid about $400 new from Ebay. You can go to their web site and see it in action or to my You-tube site BCCFUN and see videos i have taken. Especially note the detail on the super slow Jetskii video. it also takes ten rapid fire pictures in a second, and you can use the best. I am very happy with it.
27 posted on 02/26/2012 12:47:39 PM PST by builder (I don't want a piece of someone else's pie)
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To: YankeeMagic

I take great BB pics with a canon 50D I bought used for $400 I think. I use a 70-200 lens thought that cost 1200.00

Pretty much any camera that takes good sports pics will take great family photos. If you desire to get very close to the action you will may want a camera on which you can change lenses. Some of these cameras with digital zoom are taking amazing photographs now days though. I have 3 Canon professional cameras EOS 1D, 5D, 50D I bought the 5D off craigslist for about half what a new camera sells for. Sky is the limit when you get into photography money wise.

One way is to find someone taking say basketball pics and ask them what they use. Most photographers are glad to share their knowledge about what cameras, lens, software they use with you.


28 posted on 02/26/2012 12:49:29 PM PST by Newbomb Turk (The sheepdogs guard the sheep.)
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To: YankeeMagic
I would recommend a nice zoom lens, 70mm-300mm. I have a Nikon DSLR and I've used that lens to take great sports pictures, when I shoot from the sidelines.

B&H Photo is great for buying electronics and photo gear. They offer great prices and customer service and they deliver quickly.

29 posted on 02/26/2012 12:49:36 PM PST by rabidralph
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To: Randy Larsen

Nope wasn’t me.. what did she say?


30 posted on 02/26/2012 12:49:37 PM PST by YankeeMagic
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To: YankeeMagic

I use both a Nikon D40 and a Canon Rebel XT. Both fine cameras ... even though these particular models are old.

With either brand, you can’t go wrong.


31 posted on 02/26/2012 12:50:13 PM PST by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: YankeeMagic

Go to www.komando.com to read about cameras.

That was truly uncanny!


32 posted on 02/26/2012 12:52:19 PM PST by Randy Larsen (No Romney vote from my family!)
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To: mouser

I have always used Canon since way back in the film camera days but Nikon just announced a full frame 36.3 camera for $2999.00. I would love to try one.


33 posted on 02/26/2012 12:52:40 PM PST by Newbomb Turk (The sheepdogs guard the sheep.)
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To: Randy Larsen

Seriously same question?


34 posted on 02/26/2012 12:53:02 PM PST by YankeeMagic
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To: YankeeMagic

Try this...

http://search.komando.com/search?site=default_collection&client=default_frontend&output=xml_no_dtd&proxystylesheet=default_frontend&q=cameras


35 posted on 02/26/2012 12:54:10 PM PST by Randy Larsen (No Romney vote from my family!)
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To: YankeeMagic

Exactly the same...

She wanted to take school pics and record church sermons!


36 posted on 02/26/2012 12:57:11 PM PST by Randy Larsen (No Romney vote from my family!)
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To: YankeeMagic
For those sports you will be probably at least 50 or more feet away and will likely need a lens as others suggested 100mm to 200 mm or even 300 mm on the long end. The Canons are good choice and just need practice and some basic knowledge on settings for action photography. You can start with the fixed program settings. Go to your library and check out some free books or use google tons of hints on the internet! You will have a good time learning and will help you taking pictures the rest of your life. One suggestion no matter what you get get a UV filter for the lens which will help protect it from scratches and if you drop it might break the filter not the lens.

One quick trick to try with even your current camera if the action is moving parallel to you try “panning” the camera at same speed as the moving object. It can have sharp focus on the moving object and the background will be blurred.Im not pushing any vendor, but I have never had a problem with B&H.

http://www.wonderhowto.com/how-to-use-panning-capture-great-action-shots-with-movement-377596/

37 posted on 02/26/2012 1:01:43 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: Newbomb Turk

36.6 megapixels really is impressive but don’t forget that Nikon’s latest pro model the much more expensive D4 has dropped the pixel count down to 16.2MP.

Still I would not be surprised to see a 36.6MP sensor in a pro model before too long.


38 posted on 02/26/2012 1:08:13 PM PST by yarddog
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I think we are approaching the end of the mega pixel wars because as you stated 16 and above really is not all that useful. Shutter speed, pics per second and usable ISO ranges are more important.

Hasselblad has a 56.9 mega pixel if your a lottery winner.

Photography is always fun though. Many times I have seen some of the best pictures come from really inexpensive cameras. Location, timing and subject is everything. I love toys though !

39 posted on 02/26/2012 1:17:18 PM PST by Newbomb Turk (The sheepdogs guard the sheep.)
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To: YankeeMagic

I just picked up a Fuji x10 and love it. Point & shoot with optical viewfinder. Just what I need when not using my DLSR. Have fun buying a camera!


40 posted on 02/26/2012 1:20:22 PM PST by BillyBonebrake
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To: YankeeMagic
You can browse www.dpreview.com for lots of information.

I bought a Panasonic Lumix compact camera that fits in my pocket.

-PJ

41 posted on 02/26/2012 1:23:30 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: YankeeMagic

Go to CNET.com
They test, rate, and rank most electronic gear.


42 posted on 02/26/2012 1:32:06 PM PST by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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To: Newbomb Turk

Yep, I think you said it right.

Although I have several DSLRs and they are what I would use for important shoots, such as sports which is what this thread is about, I often just grab an old Canon S2 P&S.

A friend took some extreme close-ups using one which can only be described as extraordinary and it only has 5MP.


43 posted on 02/26/2012 1:32:14 PM PST by yarddog
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To: yarddog

You will be able to get good results with almost any current (within a few years) digital SLRs that are on the market. As mentioned earlier - knowing what you want to shoot will help direct your purchase.

‘Shooting sports’ doesn’t really answer the question. Indoor or out if the most basic question. Indoor = closer to the action (typically) and artificial light. Outdoor = longer shots with natural or artificial light. General rule to ‘stop’ action is get in as much light as you can to let you shoot with a faster shutter. This means finding a ‘low’ aperture lens that still has enough reach (magnification/zoom) to get the shots you want.

After you get over that sticker shock - then its time to start making trade-offs. If you have no investment (yes, investment) in a particular brand of lenses, take a look at which camera body / lenses will perform for the type of shooting you like. It could be a 4/3rds camera - it might be a 1.6 crop or a full frame camera. Guess what - ALL can provide the results you want - if you match the lens to the type of shooting you will be doing.

For me and my wife - we enjoy shooting airshows and nature settings. We both have Canon dSLRs so the lenses are interchangeable. For an airshow, my favorite lens is a 100-400L while she uses a 70-300. Shooting planes - outdoors - on sunny days is far different from shooting an indoor wrestling match. That said, I’ve used a different lens to shoot indoor action too. That is the primary advantage of interchanging the lenses, you change to what you need for a setting.

With all the choices that exist, see if your friends have equipment that you can try out sometime. That way you get your hands on the cameras and lenses to see what ‘fits’ you. In addition, consider renting equipment before you buy - again, to see if it fits what you want. To rent, I have used LensRentals.com and received outstanding service (and equipment) from them.

When you are finally ready to purchase, DONT ignore the pre-owned market. There are excellent deals out there - once you decide what you want to own. Always try to take some shots prior to being separated from your money. What can look great on the outside does not always work great. With pre-owned units, they are being sold for a reason. And with interchangeable body/lens combinations - you don’t need to find the ‘entire’ unit at one place.

And, to muddy the waters a bit, there have been some outstanding point-and-shoot cameras that probably have been introduced since you purchased the one you are using. Don’t necessarily decide that you need a digital SLR when some more advanced P-n-S models could provide you the shots you want.


44 posted on 02/26/2012 1:35:29 PM PST by Wills_Dad
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To: YankeeMagic

I second the comments on the Canon T3i. I’ve been real happy with my T1i for the last coupla years. Oh, and steer clear of Glocks {;^o]


45 posted on 02/26/2012 1:35:43 PM PST by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "p" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: Wills_Dad

Good post.


46 posted on 02/26/2012 1:44:41 PM PST by yarddog
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To: YankeeMagic

I’m a relative beginner with no photography training. I’ve been using a Canon EOS Rebel T2i for a couple of years, and it works great—even has an automatic setting for shooting sports that will allow you to take continuous shots (i.e., around 4-6 per second).

I went on a recent trip to Scotland and attended a soccer match at the famous Celtic Park on a Saturday, and a rugby match at a smaller stadium in Glasgow on Sunday. I took hundreds of photos at both venues and the results were terrific.

You’ll want to get a lens that will allow you a decent telephoto range. You won’t be able to get really good photos of action 50-100 yards away without it. These cost anywhere from $600 to $20,000.


47 posted on 02/26/2012 1:59:26 PM PST by nd76
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To: YankeeMagic

http://www.hasselbladusa.com/products/h-system/h4d-31.aspx


48 posted on 02/26/2012 2:02:24 PM PST by CGASMIA68
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To: Newbomb Turk

My advice is to go to a real camera shop ,,, you will want a DSLR or a high end point and shoot ... The main thing is you want a FAST lense and a FAST memory card... Nikon tends to lard up their P&S digital cameras with too many settings and a poor menu system .. I would think their DSLR’s would be better...


49 posted on 02/26/2012 2:04:07 PM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: YankeeMagic

I bought the wife a Nikon D3100 this past xmas and we were able to use it outdoors at my daughters soccer matches this weekend. Bought a camera package with a 70/200 lens and a 64gb sd card. It did well, we have a bit to learn on it but for our first test, it did real well. No blur action shots from a distance. Cant wait to get out there again and take some more action shots.


50 posted on 02/26/2012 2:05:04 PM PST by sjm_888
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