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Microsoft's future riding on Windows 8
AP via Yahoo ^ | February 28, 2012 | Michael Liedtke

Posted on 02/28/2012 7:17:12 PM PST by EveningStar

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To: upchuck
A drive by poster is one who excerpts two or three sentences from the article, not even coming close to the 300 words we are allowed.

I post enough to attract the reader. If he wants to read more, he can click on the link just as I did. Many FReepers do not understand copyright laws and intellectual property.

Then posts that and disappears.

I didn't disappear. I'm hanging around to read the comments. Some of these people know a hell of a lot more about this subject than I do. I'm looking for helpful information.

51 posted on 02/28/2012 9:02:35 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: mamelukesabre

Windows actually split into two distinct families for a while when the original NT version came out. There were the consumer versions (3.1/95/98/ME) and the industrial versions (NT 3.1/3.5/4.0/2000). Windows XP uses the NT kernel, whether the home or pro version, so it was basically where the two product groups converged again.

All Windows desktops now use the same OS kernel (NT), and now it’s all moving to 64 bit from 32 bit.


52 posted on 02/28/2012 9:17:50 PM PST by Disambiguator
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To: upchuck
What are you looking for? Maybe I can help.

Hey thanks, Chuck, but please don't trouble yourself.

The one that stuck in my craw the most was the defrag tool. I had a devil of a time finding it, and when I did, Windows suggested that I leave that pesky little task up to the computer.

Huh? Excuse me, Microsoft, but I'll be the judge of when my computer needs defragging.

Appreciate your offer to help. Thank you.

53 posted on 02/28/2012 9:26:43 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: MonicaG
Especially miss XP Windows Explorer search; Windows 7 Explorer search is useless and horrible!

I couldn't agree more. I makes me want to strangle someone when Microsoft hides or completely eliminates a basic tool that its users have become comfortable with, and very reliant upon.

I mean, what the hell? Why can't the search function be right where it used to be, and worse yet, why make it so doggone hard to find? And, when you finally do find it, it's not half the search tool that we used to have in XP.

Arrrrgggghhhhh....!

54 posted on 02/28/2012 9:32:29 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
I makes me want to strangle someone when Microsoft hides or completely eliminates a basic tool that its users have become comfortable with, and very reliant upon.

Man, you are reading my mind!
I have XP Pro on my old clunker and Win7 on my wife's new machine.
I have spent more time cussing when I have to do something with hers that was pure automatic in knowing what to do with XP.
There was really no reason for some of their crap.
Maybe after I become more familiar with Win 7 once I get myself a new machine, I might quit cussing, but XP seems a lot easier, quicker and logical to run around in.

55 posted on 02/28/2012 9:51:24 PM PST by The Cajun (Palin, Free Republic, Mark Levin, Newt......Nuff said.)
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To: Windflier
Especially miss XP Windows Explorer search; Windows 7 Explorer search is useless and horrible!

I couldn't agree more. I makes me want to strangle someone when Microsoft hides or completely eliminates a basic tool that its users have become comfortable with, and very reliant upon.

I mean, what the hell? Why can't the search function be right where it used to be, and worse yet, why make it so doggone hard to find? And, when you finally do find it, it's not half the search tool that we used to have in XP.

Arrrrgggghhhhh....! *****

The trouble with new program/OS applications is that the programmer "Weenies" think that their changes are "Neat-o Keen" ...

Their reasoning is that the end user will get used to the changes.

I had the same problem with the Management Information Systems [MIS] Department when I worked for MCI. I had responsibility for a specialized mainframe program that had been written for my department.

It seemed like every time I requested a specific upgrade, MIS would either NOT give me what I requested, or would ALSO give me changes that I DID NOT request [or they would do both]. MIS called these upgrades "features". It would then take me MONTHS to get the upgraded application straightened out.

I took to calling them Miserable Incompetant Symps" ...

What programmers NEED to realize is that they should KEEP the features that end-users like, shit-can the ones they hate - and offer new optional capabilities that the end-user can opt-in for AFTER trying them out ...

56 posted on 02/28/2012 9:57:11 PM PST by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: Lmo56
The trouble with new program/OS applications is that the programmer "Weenies" think that their changes are "Neat-o Keen" ... Their reasoning is that the end user will get used to the changes.

That's some arrogant and back-asswards reasoning on their part. All they're doing is upsetting their customers. It's a fundamental error that large businesses have been committing for decades.

Remember when Coca Cola up and decided to toss out their classic formula for "New Coke"? That failure to survey their public nearly cost them the company. That famous debacle is even taught in business schools today, as an example of what happens when you forget to ask your customers what they most need and want in your product.

57 posted on 02/28/2012 10:03:46 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
The one that stuck in my craw the most was the defrag tool. I had a devil of a time finding it, and when I did, Windows suggested that I leave that pesky little task up to the computer.

In XP, the defrag program was a VERY scaled-down version of Diskeeper [from Executive Software].

I found a freeware verision of Executive Software's Diskeeper Lite at MajorGeeks, loaded it, and it over-rode XP's scaled-down version. So that when you clicked on Disk Defrag from the Windows Accesories/System Tools drop-down box, Diskeeper Lite automatically ran [NOT the Windows XP scaled-down version].

Don't know if this would work in Win 7, though.

FYI - Diskeeper Lite does have a Welcome pop-up box each time you run it. But, you can just 'X' out of it. ALSO, the first time you run it after installation, you get a "bogus" MMC error. If you click the "ignore this time and every other time" selection, you will never see this "bogus" error again ...

58 posted on 02/28/2012 10:08:43 PM PST by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: The Cajun
Maybe after I become more familiar with Win 7 once I get myself a new machine, I might quit cussing, but XP seems a lot easier, quicker and logical to run around in.

Your instinct is right. XP is easier, quicker, and more logical.

After going from XP to 7, what I've noticed is that Microsoft seems to have gone in the direction of making a lot of functions automatic. Plug a new device into your machine, and before you know it, Windows 7 has installed it without any input from you.

I don't mind nifty stuff like that, but hiding or degrading simple user tools, such as search, is a huge mistake on their part. The OS hasn't been invented than can anticipate your every need, in that regard.

59 posted on 02/28/2012 10:22:02 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Lmo56

I’ll keep that Diskeeper Lite defrag tool in mind. Don’t know if it would run on 7 or not, but it might be worth a try. Thanks!


60 posted on 02/28/2012 10:24:35 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Lmo56

One thing that I do miss from XP was the graphical representation of Windows defragmenting my drive.

Under XP, I had a good idea as to how far along it is, but with Windows 7, I can’t really tell until it is finished.

They should have left that alone.


61 posted on 02/28/2012 10:31:43 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Windflier
The Auslogics defragger does a quicker, more efficient job than Win 7.

Ccleaner does a more thorough job than Win 7.

The Todo backup is much better than the Win 7 backup. More info here.

62 posted on 02/29/2012 5:56:15 AM PST by upchuck ("The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left." Ecclas. 10:2)
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To: MonicaG
Especially miss XP Windows Explorer search

Try this instead. The free Lite Version is simple, straightforward and really, really fast.

63 posted on 02/29/2012 6:01:52 AM PST by upchuck ("The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left." Ecclas. 10:2)
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To: EveningStar

Ignore upchuck. He’s laughably paranoid


64 posted on 02/29/2012 6:09:56 AM PST by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: mamelukesabre

You forgot Win 2000 and NT


65 posted on 02/29/2012 6:10:14 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: mamelukesabre
"I thought win 2000 was for servers, not desktops. I dont’ remember because I never had either one of them. I went from 98 to xp."

No, win 2000 was for desktops. It was a huge improvement over win 98 and I used it until 2007 or 2008. There was no "activation" so you could install it over and over again on different computers. As far as I could tell, XP was only slightly better but it needed activation, and that was a huge drawback.

66 posted on 02/29/2012 6:11:39 PM PST by Neanderthal
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To: upchuck

Thanks for the tip on the Auslogics Defragger, mate. I already use Ccleaner, but I’ll go get the other one, too. Much appreciated.


67 posted on 03/01/2012 12:33:12 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: upchuck

Hey Chuck. I just wanted to thank you for tipping me to that Auslogic defragger. That thing is awesome. Much appreciated.


68 posted on 03/01/2012 10:44:12 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

You’re very welcome. If you use the Firefox browser, check out Collusion. http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/collusion/


69 posted on 03/02/2012 2:34:57 AM PST by upchuck (Where others hold a window into the world, nobama holds a mirror. h/t - Don Surber)
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To: upchuck
If you use the Firefox browser, check out Collusion.

Thanks. I checked it out and downloaded it. I've already got Ghostery installed, which helps a lot with unauthorized tracking widgets. What I like about this Collusion tool, is that it lets you see what's going on beyond your normal view. Very cool.

70 posted on 03/02/2012 8:04:20 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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