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Colorado Medical Marijuana Users Got the Full SWAT Treatment Because of Their Legal Plants
Reason ^ | February 28, 2012 | Lucy Steigerwald

Posted on 02/29/2012 11:53:16 AM PST by Altariel

Further details from KRDO reveal that when the police came to the home previously (at around 10 p.m. on Christmas 2011), Ball and Glandorf showed their medical marijuana cards, but refused to let officers in because they didn’t have a warrant. This, says Colorado Springs police spokesperson Barbara Miller, is kind of dubious:

“If you have nothing to hide, most people would open the door and say, ‘Yes, please come in and and let’s dispel any information you have because it’s false.”

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And after that, no arrests were made or charges were filed, because the patients were not growing more than Colorado state law permitted after all. Supposedly a handgun was found, but Glandorf denies this. ****

Ball and Glandorf say that "shrapnel" from the flash-bang hurt their dog. Miller is quoted as saying that's not possible because flash-bangs don't produce shrapnel. (She stressed to Reason that she didn't have the technical knowledge to talk further, and she wasn't there, however. She also said that she didn't want to describe the unnamed roommate's previous weapons charge as "a violation." So things are a bit vague at the moment, but Miller's official statement, including on the weapons allegation, can be found here.)

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: cannabis; donutwatch; drugs; marijuana; medicalmarijuana; medpot; pot; swat; wod; wodlist; wosd
I have my own concerns about the legalization of marijuana. Be that as it may, the police spokesman's attitude about the Fourth Amendment of the constitution is troubling.
1 posted on 02/29/2012 11:53:26 AM PST by Altariel
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To: Altariel
“If you have nothing to hide, most people would open the door and say, ‘Yes, please come in and and let’s dispel any information you have because it’s false.”

In that case, a warrant should never be necessary.

That will sure make law enforcement's job easier.

2 posted on 02/29/2012 11:55:29 AM PST by Joe the Pimpernel (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to behead anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: Altariel

a flash grenade instead of the doorbell? no wonder people don’t let cops in unless they have to..


3 posted on 02/29/2012 12:01:56 PM PST by RitchieAprile
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To: Altariel

“medical pot” is such a joke


4 posted on 02/29/2012 12:02:19 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: GeronL

so is raw milk.......talk to the amish people who got the swat team treatment for selling raw milk


5 posted on 02/29/2012 12:05:41 PM PST by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: Altariel

I have heard that you can lose your second amendment rights if the feds find your name on the list of the medical marijuana customers.


6 posted on 02/29/2012 12:06:08 PM PST by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: Joe the Pimpernel
"If you have nothing to hide, most people would open.."

Uttered and concurred with by only the most stupid among us. Not only that but it's one of the most stupid strings of words available.

I'm not talking about the war on drugs, the police, nor constitutional freedoms.. I'm talking about the depths of foolishness to which humans are capable of sinking.


7 posted on 02/29/2012 12:06:16 PM PST by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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To: forgotten man

ATF released a statement about that a few months ago, that since marijuana is illegal federally, you can’t have both.


8 posted on 02/29/2012 12:15:38 PM PST by absolootezer0 (2x divorced tattooed pierced harley hatin meghan mccain luvin' REAL beer drinkin' smoker ..what?)
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To: joe fonebone

milk is milk.

A mind altering drug that cures nothing is called “medicine”

such a joke

It’s an excuse to get high, is all it is. They cannot admit it. There are now pills with the same ingrediants without the high but that will never be acceptable to the potheads.


9 posted on 02/29/2012 12:16:21 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: GeronL

[ “medical pot” is such a joke ]

I agree, but Government Tyranny is not a Joke.


10 posted on 02/29/2012 12:21:54 PM PST by GraceG
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To: GeronL
It’s an excuse to get high, is all it is. They cannot admit it. There are now pills with the same ingrediants without the high but that will never be acceptable to the potheads.

Except the pills are so strong it leaves people unable to do simple things, like have conversations that make sense. Smoking allows one to control the dosage.

I also know a couple people who have benefited from medical marijuana. It's been especially great for one of them, as they (once again) go through chemo.

I'd rather they smoke a plant than defend the poisons the drug companies & doctors push on people as "solutions".

11 posted on 02/29/2012 12:24:02 PM PST by gdani
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To: GeronL
“medical pot” is such a joke

I agree. States should just decriminalize it so those who use it don't have to go thru this subterfuge.

12 posted on 02/29/2012 12:24:24 PM PST by GSWarrior
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To: joe fonebone

[ so is raw milk.......talk to the amish people who got the swat team treatment for selling raw milk ]

When we staretd giving the feds to power to regulate what we put into our bodies of our own volition ie. (Progessive era reforms of the 1910’s - 1920’s till now) we set the dangerous precedent of giving them an inch at a time until they can now tell us what food we can eat or not eat.

For all the people who whine about how Raw milk can kill you, i can go down to the supermarket and buy a gallon a tasty anti-freeze that I can drink and blind/injure/kill myself with it if I want to, they gonna start regulating that to death too?

When we changed “Buyer beware” to “The Government Cares” we lost a whole metric crap-ton of freedom.


13 posted on 02/29/2012 12:25:19 PM PST by GraceG
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To: forgotten man

[ I have heard that you can lose your second amendment rights if the feds find your name on the list of the medical marijuana customers. ]

And if you are too fat they can take your guns away from you as well. Just ask Mr. Dasarti(sp) from the Dooomsday Preppers show.

Maybe that is how they will start chipping away at the 2nd amendment...... Just claim that because the Governemnt “grants you an exemption to some other contrived crap” they can take away another right.

So you can opt out of Obama care, but kiss your Xst or Xnd Amendment rights bye-bye...


14 posted on 02/29/2012 12:27:44 PM PST by GraceG
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To: GeronL

Medical pot is no joke.

It is the fastest cure for brain cancer there is.

My cousin was given up for dead with inoperable brain cancer at the age of 15, but was completely healed in less than a month, smoking 3 or 4 joints per day. (was even allowed to smoke it at school, in the nurse’s office)


16 posted on 02/29/2012 12:34:02 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: GeronL

The only thing that cures nothing is mainstream medicine and pharmaceutical poisons.


17 posted on 02/29/2012 12:36:39 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: GeronL
“medical pot” is such a joke

Then the feds must be in on the joke because in 2003 the HHS applied for and received a US Patent for it. (See: US Patent #6630507)

“Cannabinoids have been found to have antioxidant properties,unrelated to NDMA receptor antagonism. This new found property makes cannabinoids useful in treatment and prophylaxis of a wide variety of oxidation associated diseases, such as ischemic, age related, inflammatory and autoimmune diseases. The cannabinoids are found to have particular application as neuroprotectants…”

19 posted on 02/29/2012 12:40:05 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: Altariel
Miller is quoted as saying that's not possible because flash-bangs don't produce shrapnel.

Patently false. Flash bangs toss flaming crap all over the place.

20 posted on 02/29/2012 12:40:08 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

You can argue the science of it for the rest of eternity until you literally run out of breath and collapse. TPTB do not care in the least. As long as there is money to be made in incarcerating people in private run prisons, and fines for lawbreakers, they will keep it illegal.

“There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kinds of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted - and you create a nation of lawbreakers - and then you cash in on guilt.”

And people wonder why no one respects the law any more. People wonder why cops are hated.


22 posted on 02/29/2012 12:57:46 PM PST by christx30
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To: Lurker
Commented #22 Removed by Moleman lol
23 posted on 02/29/2012 12:59:53 PM PST by Moleman
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To: Lurker
Comment #22 Removed by Moleman lol
24 posted on 02/29/2012 1:00:25 PM PST by Moleman
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To: gdani; GeronL
It’s an excuse to get high, is all it is. They cannot admit it. There are now pills with the same ingrediants without the high but that will never be acceptable to the potheads.

Except the pills are so strong it leaves people unable to do simple things, like have conversations that make sense. Smoking allows one to control the dosage.

And if one is using cannabis for nausea (as many do) a pill is clearly not the best means of administration.

25 posted on 02/29/2012 1:49:56 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: Altariel
“If you have nothing to hide, most people would open the door and say, ‘Yes, please come in and and let’s dispel any information you have because it’s false.”

THAT is a scary statement, right there.

Speaking solely for myself, I have absolutely nothing to hide and I'd never let the cops in without a warrant. Too easy for someone who's looking to make a name for themselves, or is just plain lazy, to "find" something.

And, in general and unlike a whole lot of FReepers, I like cops. I worked with far too many of them to not like them. For the most part they're great people, level-headed and common sensical.

However, it only takes one.....like this idiot spokesperson.

26 posted on 02/29/2012 1:54:01 PM PST by wbill
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To: wbill

Agreed; the system needs reform to get rid of the bad officers (and their spokesmen) more quickly and to encourage peace officers to remain (training rookies to also become peace officers). Clearly, the current system isn’t working to accomplish these goals.


27 posted on 02/29/2012 3:08:46 PM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel
This, says Colorado Springs police spokesperson Barbara Miller, is kind of dubious:

“If you have nothing to hide, most people would open the door and say, ‘Yes, please come in and and let’s dispel any information you have because it’s false.”

This is one of the most BS statements the cops use all the time. Two cops came to my door a few years ago looking for some guy they said was dating my daughter(she wasn't dating him, BTW) and wanted to search my house when I told them he wasn't there, this was about 3 AM, couldn't come at a decent hour.

I asked to see a warrant and they gave me that crap line about "if you have nothing to hide". I asked them two questions,One: "Do you think the constitution was written to protect criminals or ordinary citizens? If you do then your question makes no sense, warrants are required to protect my rights as a citizen". Second question was this:" Will you allow me to go over to your houses right now, wake up your families and make a thorough search of your houses? If so then I will let you come in and search mine after I finish with yours". They couldn't answer the first question and got down right huffy over the second one and refused to let me search. I went right back at them and asked, "why? do you have something to hide?". They left right after that.

28 posted on 02/29/2012 7:52:33 PM PST by calex59
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To: calex59
Post 28 this statement If you do then your question makes no sense, warrants are required to protect my rights as a citizen".

should read "If you do believe it protects citizens then your question makes no sense, warrants are required to protect my rights as a citizen".

29 posted on 02/29/2012 7:55:52 PM PST by calex59
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To: GraceG

I don’t do drugs.

I have personally seen the damage that they can do to you.

I have personally seen the damage that the legal system can do to you, and it is far worse than the damage the drug itself causes.

With that being said, there are those that fully support the swat team tactics on drugs. What these people fail to realize is that this is a war on the constitution itself.
Drugs, milk, firearms, eggs and so on. This intrusion on our rights continues daily, and it just gets worse. What these so called “conservatives” fail to realize is that an intrusion on our rights is an intrusion on our rights, regardless of your personal opinion.

The constitution, as written, enforced as written, would piss off liberals and conservatives alike. Many sacred cows would be gored on both sides. The war on drugs is just one of these cows lined up to be gored.

If you are a “conservative”, and if you believe in strict constituionalism, then you cannot support the war on drugs, the patriot act, fubocare, or many other things currently being done to us by the feds.


30 posted on 03/01/2012 4:54:17 AM PST by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: GeronL

and a swat team raid is a swat team raid. A bullet in the brain is a bullet in the brain. Does it matter if you are shot over a joint, or a gallon of raw milk?

If you cannot see what has been placed in front of you, if you cannot see the unconstituional acts being performed in you own front yard, then your eyes truly are closed.


31 posted on 03/01/2012 4:57:03 AM PST by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: joe fonebone
If you are a “conservative”, and if you believe in strict constituionalism, then you cannot support the war on drugs, the patriot act, fubocare, or many other things currently being done to us by the feds.

Agreed. Of course I did have trouble reading your thoughts in the glow of my mercury filled CFL.. :)

When it comes down to it, Dems and Repubs are alike. They want to control our lives, they just can't agree upon which aspects and who they want to control.

32 posted on 03/01/2012 5:28:36 AM PST by IamConservative (Shall I try and perhaps fail or shall I do nothing without fail?)
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To: IamConservative

Sorry it took so long to reply.... I had to flush my low flow toilet twice to clear it... :)


33 posted on 03/01/2012 5:42:08 AM PST by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: joe fonebone
If you are a “conservative”, and if you believe in strict constituionalism

Sadly, many self-professed “conservatives” readily abandon their strict constitutionalism when it comes to government programs they like - be it the War On Drugs, or Newt's prizes for moonbase advances.

34 posted on 03/01/2012 12:07:58 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

and this is why, with a clear concience, i no longer call myself conservative... I am a small l libertarian ( if the commies and the conservatives both hate small l libertarians, then we are on the right track )


35 posted on 03/01/2012 12:21:26 PM PST by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
Smoking allows one to control the dosage.

That is exactly why my doctor has me smoke my blood pressure meds...dosage control...

36 posted on 03/05/2012 4:59:34 PM PST by TankerKC (Welcome to the age of "I Meant to Do That" Diplomacy)
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To: TankerKC
He might, if exceeding the minimum effective dose had as significant a detrimental effect with your meds as it does with cannabis.
37 posted on 03/06/2012 11:55:51 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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