Posted on 03/02/2012 8:47:11 AM PST by Ancient Drive
I found myself wrestling with the 6-day creation history this morning. The leaps and bounds of science make it the 800 pound gorilla in the room so to speak. I'm a firm believer of the 6-day creation theory. So with this in mind I started speculating. What if it was a history told from God to humanity as if told to a child? With my mind all over the map, I began thinking. He is the creator of all things, visible and invisible, creator of the universe and all it's dimensions. Would it be a difficult task to create us and all that surrounds us in such a short time? A being with limitless knowledge, power. A being for which there is no beginning and no end? He thinks it, it is done. We create diamonds in labs these days in the blink of an eye when compared to the natural processes. To me nothing screams out louder there is a God than the human body. All those atoms in perfect symphony bringing forth molecules, cells, tissues and organs, giving rise to consciousness and the soul. My mind does have difficulty at times wrapping itself around the 6-day history. I take the account of 6 days creation on faith. All he asks of us is to have faith. And that's it for my inane ramblings of the day.
“And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.” Gen 1-23
Cosmic Evolution and the Third Bang
http://onecosmos.blogspot.com/2010/08/cosmic-evolution-and-third-bang.html
On which day did He create time?
Scripture says six days, I believe it was six days. God didn’t intend for the Bible to be a riddle; He indicates where He is speaking in parables, and I didn’t see that in the account of creation.
It’s hard to wrap our minds around a six day creation because our minds are so limited, and He is so awesome, so limitless and all-powerful. When we struggle to find alternate explanations for Biblical accounts, it’s because of our limitations, not His. I not only believe the six-day creation wasn’t difficult; I believe it was as simple for Him as speaking it into existence, or even willing it.
Sorry for the typos. I was typing on my phone and didn’t notice it.
“Without a doubt, the ultimate Black Swan is whatever it was that permitted merely genetic human beings to emerge into full humanness just yesterday (cosmically speaking), some 50,000 years ago. .....”
Get back to me when you find a genuine “missing link” OK?
Science only reaffirms my faith, as others in this thread have stated. I think most Christians would be willing to accept the Big Bang as God’s “Creative Act,” but balk at evolution being the sole tool of God for the creation of mankind. The Bible is very specific about this act, and there’s not a ton of vagueness here which is compatible with the prevailing scientific explanation.
I choose to view Evolution as God’s creative engine, but view the creation of Mankind as a separate act. I don’t see how anyone who owns a dog can say that evolution could not explain much of the diversity on Earth. At the same time humanity is too special an animal with no peer on Earth that would lead me to think we just happened to be the next rung up fron the great apes.
Not true. If it was you could read it once, get everything out of it and put it up on the shelf. People have been blessed with finding new things in it for 2000 years.
Well, yes and no. Einstein established an equivalency between energy and matter. Humans have tapped this in a small way with nuclear electricity generation and the atom bomb, in which an exceedingly small portion of the matter originally existing disappears and is changed into energy. In an atomic explosion, the original mass of fissile material is relatively small, maybe a few 10s of kg, and the amount converted to energy is an exceedingly small fraction of that, yet look at the vast amount of energy liberated.
Now, humans other than Tom Swift don't know how to reverse the process, that is, to turn energy into matter, but given enough knowledge and access to the immense amounts of energy that would be required, there's no reason it shouldn't be possible. And the Bible presents God as comprising and having access to, virtually unlimited amounts of energy.
Precisely so!
The problem with believing the 6 days were “eons” and that evolution is therefore “OK” is that it destroys the Adam and Eve narrative and the Fall of Man. Adam is referred to by Paul, and Jesus makes reference to God creating man and woman. Jesus’s entire saving work is predicated on saving sinful man from Adam’s fall.
Six literal days, the evidence does not point to an evolutionary beginning.
I still wonder why God found it necessary to rest? Was creation physically or mentally taxing?
——Scripture says six days, I believe it was six days.———
I’m an I’D guy. I don’t find the scientific evidence for evolution convincing —at all.
But as the medieval Christians said, God wrote two books, Scripture and Creation.
The reason we believe the universe to be intelligible, and natural laws to be uniform, is because God is Intelligibility Itself. He is Truth.
Science depends on this metaphysical presupposition, so it is no coincidence that science was born in the Christian West, and failed in the East and in Islam.
The God of Truth is the God of Scripture and Creation. Scripture cannot contradict Creation, and vice versa. Any conflict is only apparent —a paradox.
So when science tells us that the universe is billions of years old, according to the laws of nature, and God’s other Book tells us that the world is six days old, we have an apparent contradiction.
We must conclude that the ancient author was speaking figuratively, since by his own account, the sun was created on the fourth day. This was St. Augustine’s conclusion.
Augustine
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/creation-and-genesis
“It not infrequently happens that something about the earth, about the sky, about other elements of this world, about the motion and rotation or even the magnitude and distances of the stars, about definite eclipses of the sun and moon, about the passage of years and seasons, about the nature of animals, of fruits, of stones, and of other such things, may be known with the greatest certainty by reasoning or by experience, even by one who is not a Christian. It is too disgraceful and ruinous, though, and greatly to be avoided, that he [the non-Christian] should hear a Christian speaking so idiotically on these matters, and as if in accord with Christian writings, that he might say that he could scarcely keep from laughing when he saw how totally in error they are. In view of this and in keeping it in mind constantly while dealing with the book of Genesis, I have, insofar as I was able, explained in detail and set forth for consideration the meanings of obscure passages, taking care not to affirm rashly some one meaning to the prejudice of another and perhaps better explanation” (The Literal Interpretation of Genesis 1:19–20 [A.D. 408]).
“With the scriptures it is a matter of treating about the faith. For that reason, as I have noted repeatedly, if anyone, not understanding the mode of divine eloquence, should find something about these matters [about the physical universe] in our books, or hear of the same from those books, of such a kind that it seems to be at variance with the perceptions of his own rational faculties, let him believe that these other things are in no way necessary to the admonitions or accounts or predictions of the scriptures. In short, it must be said that our authors knew the truth about the nature of the skies, but it was not the intention of the Spirit of God, who spoke through them, to teach men anything that would not be of use to them for their salvation” (ibid., 2:9).
“Seven days by our reckoning, after the model of the days of creation, make up a week. By the passage of such weeks time rolls on, and in these weeks one day is constituted by the course of the sun from its rising to its setting; but we must bear in mind that these days indeed recall the days of creation, but without in any way being really similar to them” (ibid., 4:27).
“[A]t least we know that it [the Genesis creation day] is different from the ordinary day with which we are familiar” (ibid., 5:2).
“For in these days [of creation] the morning and evening are counted until, on the sixth day, all things which God then made were finished, and on the seventh the rest of God was mysteriously and sublimely signalized. What kind of days these were is extremely difficult or perhaps impossible for us to conceive, and how much more to say!” (The City of God 11:6 [A.D. 419]).
“We see that our ordinary days have no evening but by the setting [of the sun] and no morning but by the rising of the sun, but the first three days of all were passed without sun, since it is reported to have been made on the fourth day. And first of all, indeed, light was made by the word of God, and God, we read, separated it from the darkness and called the light ‘day’ and the darkness ‘night’; but what kind of light that was, and by what periodic movement it made evening and morning, is beyond the reach of our senses; neither can we understand how it was and yet must unhesitatingly believe it” (ibid., 11:7).
“They [pagans] are deceived, too, by those highly mendacious documents which profess to give the history of [man as] many thousands of years, though reckoning by the sacred writings we find that not 6,000 years have yet passed” (ibid., 12:10).
I remember once reading an athiest’s denial of creation by saying it was all bogus because God created mand and all of the animals on the fifth day but didn’t create the vegetation to feed them until the sixth. Like dude, they couldn’t go one day without eating?
So how long were days One and Two? 25 hours? 25 million years? Who can say? In God's time, it is just as likely as any other explanation. As the author states, "What if it was a history told from God to humanity as if told to a child?"
There's a great book out there that reconciles the whole thing; "Genesis and the Big Bang" by Gerald L. Schroeder Ph.D. It's on Amazon for around ten bucks.
The Bible sometimes uses "rest" as a synonym for "desist". For example it tells sinners to "rest" from their wicked works.
Yes, as the Holy Spirit wills. But I maintain God didn’t give it to us in order to confuse us.
In the beginning, there was nothing... and then it exploded.
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