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Why Our Best Officers Are Leaving
The Atlantic ^ | Tim Kane

Posted on 03/02/2012 9:58:05 AM PST by strider44

Why are so many of the most talented officers now abandoning military life for the private sector? An exclusive survey of West Point graduates shows that it’s not just money. Increasingly, the military is creating a command structure that rewards conformism and ignores merit. As a result, it’s losing its vaunted ability to cultivate entrepreneurs in uniform.

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


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Thinking of hanging it up myself and I have 16 years in. Can't take another deployment under this administration. Three small kids at home that are way more important. It is truly a sucky time to be in unifrom,
1 posted on 03/02/2012 9:58:09 AM PST by strider44
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To: strider44
I was a Field Artillery Captain during the first Obama (Carter) administration and the situation was really the same.

When I heard an instructor refer to the President as "Peanut Brain", I realized that we were in uncharted territory.

Thank God for Ronald Reagan! I can only hope that history repeats itself!

2 posted on 03/02/2012 10:03:52 AM PST by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: strider44
Bail, FRiend.

They don't deserve your dedication and sacrifice any longer.
What used to be a disease of the Flag officers has burrowed down to the O-5 and O-6 levels. PC and public opinion is all that matters.
The troops and their familys' welfare are secondary - when our welfare was secondary to the Mission, we could handle that. Now, even the Mission is secondary to PC crap.

You'll miss it - I still do...

3 posted on 03/02/2012 10:08:03 AM PST by grobdriver
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To: strider44

I would think that the goal of 50% females, and open homosexuality making for a weird, unknowable future for the military would have been mentioned by someone, but it isn’t in the article.


4 posted on 03/02/2012 10:14:57 AM PST by ansel12 (Newt Gingrich knows how to deconstruct Obama in a head to head race, and that is what it will take.)
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To: Redleg Duke; grobdriver

Grobdriver says, “Bail.” I say, I hope you and your friends stay in. Two reasons:

1. It’s a terrible time to find a job in the civilian job market, and it’s going to get worse.

2. We need all the good people we can get in the military, even if they feel helpless to fight the tide right now. Because at some point, things will change.

This has happened repeatedly over the course of history. The military was filled with timeservers and idiots when the Korean War broke out. There were still some good NCOs, but many of the officers were only capable of getting their men killed, because they had never fought. There’s a good book on it, called “That Kind of War.” Some of the officers had to be fragged, before they got all their men killed. But there were still enough good men left to turn things around, although it was tough. And it helped with General MacArthur came back in (until HST removed him).

So, two reasons, one for yourself, and one for our country. I know this is probably extremely tough. But I think the good guys have to lie low, do what they can, and take it, until things change—as they pretty certainly will.


5 posted on 03/02/2012 10:16:15 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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6 posted on 03/02/2012 10:16:32 AM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: strider44
Thinking of hanging it up myself and I have 16 years in.

Don't give the son of a bitch the satisfaction.

My son, a 25 year Navy Captain, retired this past year because of obama and the new queer rules.

Hang in for at least another 4 more, don't walk away from what you have earned.

Thank you for your service.

7 posted on 03/02/2012 10:20:17 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorists savages.)
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To: Cicero

May not be as easy as it sounds. The Army is starting to go through another round of downsizing.


8 posted on 03/02/2012 10:26:35 AM PST by ConjunctionJunction
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To: strider44

Stick it out. I used to go to staff meetings just to piss the flag officers off.

“Look at that.....a red flag with a star on it. Are the communist Chinese coming to this meeting?”


9 posted on 03/02/2012 10:29:16 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: strider44

I could not understand why good officers stayed when Obama became POTUS if they still had a number of years to go to get their twenty.


10 posted on 03/02/2012 10:33:31 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: strider44
Thinking of hanging it up myself and I have 16 years in.
You'd quit needing only four more years to qualify for a retirement? Crazy.
I'm former USMC and would give anything to serve again.
Time will pass quicker than you think - stay the course.
11 posted on 03/02/2012 10:33:39 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: strider44

Why are they leaving?

Oh, I don’t know - maybe if one picked up a newspaper on any day of the week, all year round, it would be made clear.


12 posted on 03/02/2012 10:39:11 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: strider44

I’ve got 23 in so far. I’m doing everything I can do elect damn near anyone but Obama. I covertly leave informational papers around. As a senior NCO it is incredibly hard to bite my tongue and say what I want. But I do push that envelope from time to time. I see younger Soldiers who have no clue what discipline and integrity are. Almost breaks my heart to see it but what can I do?


13 posted on 03/02/2012 10:39:26 AM PST by rfreedom4u (Just because someone thinks it's a good idea doesn't make it legal.)
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To: USS Alaska

The prospect of spending another 15 months away from my family is just too much to bear. For what? A chance to get killed in Afghanistan? It’s not worth the retirement pay. I have 3 kids under age 7. My wife doesn’t deserve the hardship


14 posted on 03/02/2012 10:40:33 AM PST by strider44
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To: strider44
Why Our Best Officers Are Leaving

Simple...They can't take any more of BO's BS. No Mystery.

15 posted on 03/02/2012 10:41:30 AM PST by GoldenPup
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To: strider44

Try and hang in there bud and while finishing you minimum time. Start reviewing and developing your professional skills towards a goal of a second sucessful career in civilian life.

Thank you for your service.

I just finished this very inspiring book. A great read about a great military man!

Medal of Honor recepient Colonel Day was not afraid to challenge the upper echelons at the personal cost of promotions.

American Patriot: The Life and Wars of Colonel Bud Day [Hardcover]
http://www.amazon.com/American-Patriot-Life-Wars-Colonel/dp/0316758477

Vet’s Day - Fort Walton Beach Tea Party - with a call to action from Colonel Bud Day
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAXNUux0Oao

Maximum Resistance: George E. “Bud” Day

http://www.military.com/NewContent/0,13190,MoH_George_Day,00.html

http://www.colonelbudday.com/


16 posted on 03/02/2012 10:50:25 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: oh8eleven

How many months did you spend in Iraq? When I first went back in 2004 I was very motivated and proud. Now I’m just disgusted. I’m no coward. I flew over 150 hours of combat time as a UH60 pilot. But yep. I’m worried about my own skin. Not proud anymore. Not willing to risk my life in Afghanistan. Not for this president or my corrupt chain of command.


17 posted on 03/02/2012 10:50:54 AM PST by strider44
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To: strider44
Why Our Best Officers Are Leaving

The US Military and most of it's officers and men are charged, implemented, and designed to protect the Nation and it's citizens, not to subjugate them.

To proceed toward progressive socialism, these men and women must be removed and be replaced with those that have been indoctrinated to believe that their duty is to regulate the citizen.

The left hates the Military because they would not willingly become their National Police.

18 posted on 03/02/2012 10:58:16 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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To: strider44
Thinking of hanging it up myself and I have 16 years in.

Your family needs a Dad more than The Won needs cannon fodder.

19 posted on 03/02/2012 10:58:46 AM PST by Cyber Liberty ("If the past sits in judgment on the present, the future will be lost." --Winston Churchill)
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To: strider44
How many months did you spend in Iraq?
Not one minute. I was artillery in VN up on the DMZ ... Gio-Linh, Con Thien, C2, Cam Lo, et al. Thirteen months worth.
20 posted on 03/02/2012 11:01:03 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: strider44

I think the reason is simple. We’re going to a smaller peacetime army. There is less opportunity for promotion and more chickensh!t. Why put up with it if there is opportunity outside the military?


21 posted on 03/02/2012 11:10:55 AM PST by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: strider44

As others have noted, at this point it makes sense to try for your 20-year pension. At least stay long enough to see how the election goes.


22 posted on 03/02/2012 11:15:07 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: Cicero

I concur! We all have to outlast the anti-Americans!


23 posted on 03/02/2012 11:23:32 AM PST by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: strider44

I say stick it out. See what happens in November and the reevaluate. If zero wins then maybe leave, but with only three to go it may be better to stick out till 20. Zero may also just quit totally in Iraq and Afghanistan and you would not have to do anything. Also I would rather have good officers in support of my infantry son when he goes back to Afghanistan.


24 posted on 03/02/2012 11:37:20 AM PST by Ratman83
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To: strider44

Bless you, strider - I’ve only had one short one to Colombia in the last 5 years as a reservist. I posted yesterday that I’m not sure I can stand to do my last 3 1/2 and make it to 30.

The political correctness pressure from on high breaks my military heart. And I’m close enough to “on-high” that I see personally some of the spine-ectomies on people I used to look up to.

Colonel, USAFR


25 posted on 03/02/2012 11:44:54 AM PST by jagusafr ("Write in Palin and prepare for war...")
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To: grobdriver

As an O-6, I’d love to be really pissed at your statement.

Unfortunately, you’re right in too many cases. There are still those of us who use the traditional yardstick for conduct and service, but I’m amazed at how often I have to say, “yes, you could do that...but is it the RIGHT thing to do?”


26 posted on 03/02/2012 11:47:11 AM PST by jagusafr ("Write in Palin and prepare for war...")
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To: grobdriver
"They don't deserve your dedication and sacrifice any longer.

What used to be a disease of the Flag officers has burrowed down to the O-5 and O-6 levels. PC and public opinion is all that matters.

The troops and their familys' welfare are secondary - when our welfare was secondary to the Mission, we could handle that. Now, even the Mission is secondary to PC crap.

You'll miss it - I still do... "

QFE. I still do, but I would not serve under this administration under any circumstances. I'm glad I retired when I did. To think: I used to think we had it bad under Clinton...

27 posted on 03/02/2012 1:46:14 PM PST by ronnyquest (I spent 20 years in the Army fighting the enemies of freedom only to see fascism elected at home.)
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To: strider44
Thinking of hanging it up myself and I have 16 years in.

I was going to comment on this thread yesterday. I had to get out - age 60 - this past Jan. I made it through the carter years and had 39+ years.

I took the Army survey yesterday and when I got to the comment section at the end, I told them that this cic was the worst since carter. Also, the repeal of DADT was enough for many others to leave.

28 posted on 03/03/2012 5:42:01 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)
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To: strider44
Do you consider your commander-in-chief to be Constitutionally legitimate?

<I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.

29 posted on 03/03/2012 5:52:42 AM PST by Godebert (NO PERSON EXCEPT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!)
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To: strider44
The Army personnel system isn't perfect, but there has to be a way to manage several hundred thousand people so that everybody gets a fair shake.

Leave it to a bunch of West Pointers to complain about the personnel system not promoting them fast enough to keep up with their superior talent and intellect.

As for officers getting out: I just got a brand new Second Lieutenant last week. He's 22 years old. He is making $54,000 a year.

If these dolts think that they are going to march into some civilian company and get job offers in the six figure range just because they have a few years in the Army, they're dreaming.

I speak from experience on that. I got out of the Army for several years and came back in.

30 posted on 03/03/2012 12:22:36 PM PST by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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