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Will People Alive Today Have the Opportunity to Upload Their Consciousness to a New Robotic Body?
Popular Science ^ | 3/2/2012

Posted on 03/03/2012 12:53:29 PM PST by RoosterRedux

At the recent Global Future 2045 International Congress held in Moscow, 31-year-old media mogul Dmitry Itskov told attendees how he plans to create exactly that kind of immortality, first by creating a robot controlled by the human brain, then by actually transplanting a human brain into a humanoid robot, and then by replacing the surgical transplant with a method for simply uploading a person’s consciousness into a surrogate ‘bot. He thinks he can get beyond the first phase--to transplanting a working brain into a robot--in just ten years, putting him on course to achieve his ultimate goal--human consciousness completely disembodied and placed within a holographic host--within 30 years time.

Pushing aside all the extremely difficult technological challenges for a moment, there are a couple of important to considerations tied up in Itskov’s vision. First, while the later phases of his project are so far out as to seem ridiculous, phase one is totally feasible (in fact it’s already being done). From there, the leap to phase two--human brainpower transplanted into a mechanical robot--is a quite a leap. But if we are willing to allow that it might be possible even within the next 30 years, then we have to consider a further possibility: that many people alive today--like the twenty-something author of this piece--could be confronted with this kind of technology in their lifetimes.

Which is terrifying and amazing and disconcerting all at the same time.

(Excerpt) Read more at popsci.com ...


TOPICS: Science; Society
KEYWORDS: dmitryitskov; russia; singularity; skynet
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1 posted on 03/03/2012 12:53:30 PM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

Author is Clay Dillow.


2 posted on 03/03/2012 12:55:07 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Newt: Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay Less. Barack Obama: Have Algae, Pay More, Be Weird.)
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To: RoosterRedux
Here's another article on the subject and a video at source...
Russian Mogul’s Plan: Plant Our Brains in Robots, Keep Them Alive Forever

3 posted on 03/03/2012 12:58:14 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Newt: Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay Less. Barack Obama: Have Algae, Pay More, Be Weird.)
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To: RoosterRedux

So we become Daleks? Is this a good thing?

Maybe some of us would make better a B9 “Lost in Space” robot. Then we could go around saying “Danger, Will Robinson!”

Don’t know, just seems kind of soulless.


4 posted on 03/03/2012 12:58:22 PM PST by alloysteel (Are Democrats truly "better angels"? They are lousy stewards for America.)
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To: RoosterRedux
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5 posted on 03/03/2012 12:58:45 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: alloysteel
Don’t know, just seems kind of soulless.

I take it you're not a Romney supporter?;-)

6 posted on 03/03/2012 12:59:38 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Newt: Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay Less. Barack Obama: Have Algae, Pay More, Be Weird.)
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To: RoosterRedux

I remember several science fiction stories from the 1940s and 50s that speculated on the same premise. I don’t recall the titles and authors but “robotic immortality” certainly isn’t a new idea.


7 posted on 03/03/2012 1:03:55 PM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: RoosterRedux

What a waste of perfectly good robot bodies that would be.


8 posted on 03/03/2012 1:04:29 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Sounds freaking exhausting. Besides, my consciousness wants to quit paying taxes and escape the communist utopia.


9 posted on 03/03/2012 1:05:14 PM PST by dforest
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To: RoosterRedux

Sounds freaking exhausting. Besides, my consciousness wants to quit paying taxes and escape the communist utopia.


10 posted on 03/03/2012 1:05:21 PM PST by dforest
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To: RoosterRedux

With every good comes bad. Do we really need a tech that could keep the Nancy Pelosi creature alive for eons?


11 posted on 03/03/2012 1:05:31 PM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (How ironic that Ann Coulter should write a book called Treason.)
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To: RoosterRedux
The drug regimen for a transplant patient is massive. By no means would the brain or even consciousness survive any such radical surgery.

The attempts at immortality are nothing new. The idea of the fountain of youth springs to mind. They are all symptoms of a lack of faith in an afterlife.

What is unfortunate for so many is that their lack of faith in a Heaven will almost certainly lead to an eternity in Hell. Perhaps a little more work on the spiritual aspects of ones nature would be better spent.

12 posted on 03/03/2012 1:05:39 PM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: chris37
That's what I think.

It would be devastating to learn that your new robot girlfriend was once your ex-wife's mother.

13 posted on 03/03/2012 1:08:19 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Newt: Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay Less. Barack Obama: Have Algae, Pay More, Be Weird.)
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To: RoosterRedux
This procedure was known about and talked about at least 70 years ago.. they weren't call robots but. . .
14 posted on 03/03/2012 1:09:46 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
Do we really need a tech that could keep the Nancy Pelosi creature alive for eons?

Look on the bright side...in three or four hundred years, Liberals might actually start to grow up.

15 posted on 03/03/2012 1:10:35 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Newt: Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay Less. Barack Obama: Have Algae, Pay More, Be Weird.)
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To: Jim from C-Town
What is unfortunate for so many is that their lack of faith in a Heaven will almost certainly lead to an eternity in Hell. Perhaps a little more work on the spiritual aspects of ones nature would be better spent.

I'm not sure it's so much a lack of faith in Heaven as it is an absolute refusal to go anywhere that requires obedience to God.

The Hell-bound don't realize it's Hell they are bound for. They think it's an orgy.

16 posted on 03/03/2012 1:17:40 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Newt: Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay Less. Barack Obama: Have Algae, Pay More, Be Weird.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Do you really think Obamacare would cover this? Maybe for the Politburo, but not for us.


17 posted on 03/03/2012 1:17:46 PM PST by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: RoosterRedux
No.

Next question.

18 posted on 03/03/2012 1:19:00 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopaths.)
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To: RoosterRedux

No.
Next question.


19 posted on 03/03/2012 1:20:25 PM PST by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: RoosterRedux
This would not be allowed under the pRedidents health system.
20 posted on 03/03/2012 1:23:49 PM PST by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Wouldn’t it be better to “upload” your memory every night, adding the day’s experiences, into a storage device, and then load that into a waiting human body that is cloned from your DNA? That way you’d only lose whatever memory you had from the day you “died,” there would be no need for a transplant, and you’d be good to go till the next time you “died!”


21 posted on 03/03/2012 1:25:05 PM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: RoosterRedux

GYAAAHHH!

/wrist

Wait, wrist is now metal!


22 posted on 03/03/2012 1:28:15 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: alloysteel
So we become Daleks? Is this a good thing?

A Dalek is a high tech wheelchair (with a BFG and no wheels)

This is about building The Major.


23 posted on 03/03/2012 1:30:36 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (We have nothing to fear except fear itself.... And bunnies.)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

Memory and consciousness will eventually and easily be transferred into a flash drive type device and uploaded into an audio/video device, complete with video cameras so the subject who no longer has a body, will be able to see, hear speak, watch television etc. The “persons” consciousness and memory could then be mounted or installed in a small vehicle, such as RC car, which would give them mobility around the home.


24 posted on 03/03/2012 1:32:01 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: RoosterRedux

Sign me up...


25 posted on 03/03/2012 1:39:12 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: RoosterRedux

“Look on the bright side...in three or four hundred years, Liberals might actually start to grow up.”

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Sorry but they only get dumber as they grow older.


26 posted on 03/03/2012 1:41:31 PM PST by RipSawyer
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To: RoosterRedux; GrandJediMasterYoda

27 posted on 03/03/2012 1:41:44 PM PST by Dogbert41 ("...or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. " -Jesus)
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To: RoosterRedux
Will People Alive Today Have the Opportunity to Upload Their Consciousness to a New Robotic Body?

Short answer: No.

Longer answer: We don't even have the capability to produce a single living cell, despite all the protestations that we understand everything about the chemistry of life.

ML/NJ

28 posted on 03/03/2012 1:46:35 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: SoCal Pubbie

It would be somebody just like you, but not you, in the same way that a received fax is just like the original paper. You’d be dead and gone.


29 posted on 03/03/2012 1:55:11 PM PST by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Jim from C-Town

as computer processing technology advances, things like this become increasingly possible. Look at how far we have come in the past 50 years. Imagine where we’ll be in another 50 years. Eventually, humans will be immortal one way or the other. I have no doubt about this at all.


30 posted on 03/03/2012 2:00:25 PM PST by RC one (the majority of republicans agree, anyone but Romney.)
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To: RC one

Ray Kurzweil discussed this in his book, “The Singularity Is Near”.

I think Ray is an optimist. Technological progress would move much faster, but it is retarded by the legal and social parasites, Luddites, and commies.

I figure about 50-100 years.

BTW, I am becoming more and more cyberonic myself. Already have some metal and plastic parts.


31 posted on 03/03/2012 2:10:43 PM PST by darth
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To: RoosterRedux

I have no doubt that someday that will happen.......unfortunately not in my lifetime.


32 posted on 03/03/2012 2:10:55 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (The only solution to this primary is a shoot out! Last person standing picks the candidate)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Think of the possibilities: we could hack the Pelosi-bot into being Conservative. . . (evil grin)


33 posted on 03/03/2012 2:14:29 PM PST by Salgak
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To: RoosterRedux

Would you want to stick around forever?


34 posted on 03/03/2012 2:17:18 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Considering where that consciousness will return to on its own after this bag of warm meat and feces stops functioning, selecting a mechanoid with even fewer senses as one’s domicile would be like choosing a phone booth to live in after occupying a nice but aging house for 70 or so years. Since eviction is certain I’ll take the mansion offer.


35 posted on 03/03/2012 2:30:41 PM PST by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: katana
I too choose the mansion offer...and the eternity in loving obedience to Him and...and basking in His eternal Love.

And I am bringing my cats!;-)

36 posted on 03/03/2012 2:58:33 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Newt: Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay Less. Barack Obama: Have Algae, Pay More, Be Weird.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Just think, every shiny new robot comes with somebody else’s baggage...


37 posted on 03/03/2012 3:22:43 PM PST by FDNYRHEROES (It's 3 AM. Let me sleep on it. I'll get back to you in 16 hours.)
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To: RoosterRedux

I thought there was hope for me when I first read the headline. Unfortunately it actually said robotic, not romantic.


38 posted on 03/03/2012 4:23:46 PM PST by WayneM (Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe.)
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To: WayneM
Charming comment.

I have a habit of attracting robotic women...when I was really after romance.

Folks shouldn't say that men don't like romance...we just don't like it in a dainty way!;-)

I like passion! Gusto!

I love Sophia Loren!

39 posted on 03/03/2012 4:31:06 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Newt: Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay Less. Barack Obama: Have Algae, Pay More, Be Weird.)
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To: jiggyboy; SoCal Pubbie
If it were a truly exact replica, the replica couldn't tell it was not the original. It would be a true Doppelgänger situation.

But I don't think it will ever happen, because if Quantum Physics is true, a mind cannot be completely duplicated, even in principle. The situation of sending confidential unbreakable information using quantum principles is analogous.

I pondered the question, "Assuming that you could be copied in an allegedly foolproof manner into another newly created instance of yourself, and that your original body had to be destroyed in the process, would you do it?"

Not I.

A colleague tipped me off to a movie on this theme that came out a few years ago: The Prestige.

40 posted on 03/03/2012 5:00:50 PM PST by Erasmus (BHO: New supreme leader of the rollin' homey empire.)
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To: RC one
Even if a computer has all a persons memories and experiences stored inside it's CPU it still will not be human. It will always lack the real emotions and, dare I say, soul that makes one human. I all reality it would be the the definition of inhuman.
41 posted on 03/03/2012 5:09:37 PM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: RC one

Un-human


42 posted on 03/03/2012 5:10:31 PM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: RoosterRedux
Wasn't this procedure already done on joe biden?


43 posted on 03/03/2012 5:47:06 PM PST by clearcarbon
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To: Erasmus
The Prestige

Good movie.
David Bowie plays Nikola Tesla in the film...and is well cast.

44 posted on 03/03/2012 6:02:31 PM PST by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: RoosterRedux

“And I am bringing my cats!;-)”

I’m holding out for a pair of lamb cuddling lions!


45 posted on 03/03/2012 7:39:53 PM PST by Dogbert41 ("...or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. " -Jesus)
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To: Jim from C-Town

The computer download would be temporary until the data could be uploaded to a waiting clone/brain. It does raise issues about what a soul is but that’s what makes it fun to think about imo. I think any ultra evolved alien life forms would have to be immortal this way or another. Any intelligent species would necessarily have to cross this boundary at some point to advance.


46 posted on 03/03/2012 10:24:42 PM PST by RC one (the majority of republicans agree, anyone but Romney.)
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To: Bobalu
I believe the producer said that the role was created with Bowie in mind.

The movie has a couple of other assets, and their name is Scarlett Johansson.

≤}B^)

47 posted on 03/04/2012 7:45:43 AM PST by Erasmus (BHO: New supreme leader of the rollin' homey empire.)
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To: jiggyboy; Erasmus
Well, first of all, I did not mean to propose philosophical or scientific arguments, but simply state that rather than transferring the hardware (the brain) into a robot body it would be better to transfer the software (the consciousness) into another human body.

On the one hand yes, it would be a different “person” but IF it could be done, as Erasmus wrote, the new version would not know that. Let's say that in your sleep someone came in, drugged you so that you did not wake up in the process, downloaded your memories, and then uploaded them into an identical body that had whatever was in it's brain wiped clean. This new “you” was placed, sleeping, in an identical bedroom built in lab elsewhere, with curtains drawn exactly the same, etc. For sake of argument “you” sleep alone, without spouse, pet, or roommate in the house. The lab personnel then provide an identical stimulus to wake both versions of “you” at the same time, say a car alarm going off outside. At that time would not both entities feel exactly the same, until such time as the copied “you” found out the bedroom was located in a lab somewhere?

As for Quantum Physics, why does that prohibit copying a mind? If our memories are bits of code in electrical impulses in brain cells, why could they not some day be replicated?

I saw The Prestige, by the way.

48 posted on 03/04/2012 8:53:14 AM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: SoCal Pubbie

Here’s one from The Outer Limits right along those lines. It’s pretty good:

“Captain Cotter McCoy (Lou Diamond Phillips) is the first of a new breed of soldier. As part of a top secret program overseen by Dr. Greg Olander (Robert Joy), General Langston Chase (Dale Wilson), and Cotter’s friend, Colonel Pete Butler (Scott Kraft), the contents of McCoy’s brain can be temporarily transferred into an android version of himself. This process creates a virtually indestructible fighting machine with the smarts and experience of a human being.

“But, one day something goes wrong. During the transfer, the real McCoy’s body is blasted with electricity, stopping his heart, inflicting serious brain damage and leaving Cotter’s mind trapped in the android body...”

http://www.tv.com/shows/the-outer-limits/identity-crisis-21493/


49 posted on 03/04/2012 9:21:04 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: RoosterRedux

This isn’t immortality.

Even if every memory and personality could be uploaded into a robot, it would still be a robot, and the person from whom the memory and personality were copied would still be the same person. The robot might last longer, but the person would still die.

I also think that, no matter how well the person’s memories and personality were transferred into the robot, the behavior of the robot version of the person would soon start to deviate from that of the original person. It eventually would not behave much like a human being. That would be an unavoidable consequence of development guided by mechanical programming instead of biological processes.


50 posted on 03/04/2012 11:15:29 AM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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