Skip to comments.'Tix Fix' In Reverse. Some NYPD cops ‘lie’ in court to avoid pay dock
Posted on 03/04/2012 8:47:19 PM PST by GreaterSwiss
Cops deemed to not have performed well risk losing as many as 10 vacation days or two weeks pay, sources said. They manage this through a spirit of fear, said one veteran cop. Maybe the officer doesnt present his testimony good enough. So they say, OK, were going to take a weeks pay from you. The result is higher conviction rates and a tense atmosphere in which officers sometimes falsify their notes and dont tell the truth in court to avoid being punished, police and defense lawyers say. Defense lawyers say sympathetic judges even coach cops on what to say. They see these cops every day, and they get to know them, said one. If a guys going to get into trouble, its, like, I dont want to let that happen.
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I took off a day of work (which cost more than the ticket) and had 2 witnesses to prove to my then 12 yr old nephew about the court system. It was my nephew who was threatened with a ticket for asking the officer's name.
I called the civilian complaint commission who told me since we were the same race they weren't interested. I emailed internal affairs who got back to me a month later, 11:30PM on New Years eve and then 6am new years morning. When I called a few days later as I returned from vacation I was told the case was closed since I didn't answer the phone or return their call right away. They wouldn't reopen it unless I emailed, and then got back to me a YEAR later. At that point the fix was in.
Some Cops Lie?? Sometimes?? Was this written by a third grader?? All Cops Lie All the Time.
The police chiefs who wish this regime on the patrol cops are invariably far more leftist than the latter.
I heard honest one day... ‘Why are you doing this?!? You work for me!’ said a motorist who was ticked off at getting a ticket for ‘running a red light’ when the signal lasted for all of three seconds, changing too quickly for them to be able to stop.
The cop replied, ‘Hey, buddy, we get half of our funding from fines - I’m just making payroll.’
The standard scam goes on in the court room, where so long as the motorist pays the fine, and goes to traffic school, the ticket won’t count against their record (and the corresponding raise in insurance rates.) Of course, if you /dare/ fight it, you get to pony up the fine, plus the court costs, and the judge makes it pretty clear - if you’re found guilty, the traffic school option is out the window, you get the mark on your driving record, and that can be a very very expensive mark.
And on the day you fight, in file the cops, you can see on the faces of the many who hope their officer doesn’t show up, but as each walks in, you see more faces fall, and the deep thoughts at the ground. Until the last walks in, the one who is infamous for stalking drivers to give tickets, whom most of the people in the room are there for. These are usually the first to stand when the judge asks at the start if anyone has reconsidered the plea and wishes to take advantage of the traffic school option.
Pretty much from there, only two or three are left, and they’re resigned to the impending results.
Yep, watching traffic court one day was an eye opener. Our government no longer works for us, we work for them, and we dance for them to entertain them.
It’s a good article, because it reminds us that it’s important to realize that “crooked cops” aren’t the heart of the problem, the “crooked system” is. The cops are crooked in order to satisfy the demands of their precinct commanders, who are crooked in order to satisfy the demands of the police chiefs, who are crooked in order to satisfy the demands of the city officials, who are crooked in order to pander to voters, rake in citation income, and satisfy the demands of the Feds who are doling out the pork.
Even if we fired every single crooked beat cop, their replacements would turn out to be just as crooked, because it’s a systemic problem. Law enforcement needs to be divorced from funding based on the number of citations, arrests, convictions, or amount of property confiscated, otherwise it will just spiral further and further out of control. We are just subsidizing the bad behavior, and if you subsidize something, you will get more of it.
It’s called “testilying”.
Plaintiff lawyers hire “expert witnesses” to do it all the time.
How can you live with yourself when you are knowingly stealing and harassing innocent people daily? It takes a specific twisted personality to do this job daily and be ok with it.
To them, it’s not their responsibility to be honest. Getting it past the judge is all that counts, then they have passed the buck.
Welcome to the real world of TESTILYING, nothing new, only that as more people become mugged by this disease, the more people will decide just how much, is too much!
I first learned of this way, way, back in early 1970”s (ex - wife’s) father, was stationed in 75th precinct in the Bronx, (N.Y.N.Y.) First name was Alfonse, although he was a Loud & Proud German, I believe a.k.a. Fort Apache, The Bronx’s.
Alan Dershowitz Reference: “TESTILYING” December 1, 1998
See also below
(Cite as: 67 U. Colo. L. Rev. 1037)
University of Colorado Law Review
*1037 TESTILYING: POLICE PERJURY AND WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT
Any thread i mention how corrupt cops in NYC are i have to deal with those who think i’m a bad conservative for saying so.
Our cops here are a criminal class unto themselves.
Our judges are no better.
Waiting for the flaming.
With all due respect, I think you are missing too big a piece of the picture for me to not comment. You said:
“...its important to realize that ‘crooked cops’ arent the heart of the problem, the ‘crooked system’ is.”
I submit that you may not understand that police work (authority) is inherently corruptive in nature. The very foundation of our government is that THE PEOPLE are the government. Not politicians. We have drifted far from the Constitutional Republic afforded us by our Founding Fathers, but that doesn’t mean that this type of thing was not forseen.
The fact is, that EVERY step of the process was supposed to involve players from the general public, not life long politicians, and that includes municipal (corporate, for hire) police. Citizens are meant to police themselves. They even have the power to arrest. Police are meant to enforce the law, as a county Sheriff is [supposed to be] a citizen chosen by his peers by a once-in-4-years election to do full time police work, and be swapped out with ALL his deputies (whenever the new sheriff chooses) at the leisure of the people. We now have unionized thugs, responsible to know one, and with lifetime superior status.
What kind of effect does this superiority bring. See: “The Stanford Studies.” It doesn’t matter who you are, if you’re given complete authority over another person, you’re GOING to abuse them. Now, you may not see it as abuse, because you’ll get a demented mind, but the fact is, your sense of reality becomes warped. Rare, and I mean virtually nonexistent, is the (wo)man who will not abuse authority when it’s thrusted upon him/her. And those (wo)men are the ones who don’t want authority in the first place, they want to be left alone. But when the need requires them to take up authority, they throw it down just as quickly as they can.
Therefore, I submit to you, that while you do mention several factors that multiple this fundamental human issue, you may not have considered the real issue. Government, whether it be the executive, legislative, or judicial branch, is not mean to be a lifetime, and never-ending, position of power. If we had true representation at the Federal level (our true number of U.S. House Reps should number in the 1,000’s, and our Senators should be revokable, pre-17th amendment), then laws would better reflect the wiull of the people, and judges and presidents would be far more likely to be impeached if the people wanted that.
The truth is, the statists want to consolidate as much power in as few people that can be bought with as little money (or additional power, if you will) as possible. That’s all it took to create the police state we live in. If you didn’t know, video games were invented to get people to kill one another (WW2, I believe was the starting point). Now we have a generation of people raised on video games, who’s ultimate fantasy is to kill someone in a contest that show’s who’s the bigger “man.” (And women who show want to show that they can handle the men, the “feminazis.”) What does it take to buy these cretins off? A gun and a badge. But wait, now they have tanks, full riot gear, nifty gagetry that can see through walls, hear conversations by pointing lasers at windows, see you naked. Add to that drones that can peak at you from the sky, frisking women (I had busty friend who was repeatedly frisked by several male officers on several occasions, with several people witnessing it, but unable to do anything because of the police state we live in.)
Unfortunately, it’s going to take some real solutions to get rid of this issue, not chatting. We need full representation in Congress, we need to break up all municipal police departments, and we need an involved public. People are not going to tolerate abuse forever. Term limits on all police officers should be imposed, and a relative number of short years fixed as the term. ZERO pensions for them either. No government job should carry a pension, EVER. No insurance or any other way to sap the people. Pay them a wage affixed to the jobs of the public. Police work is not difficult, technology has made it child’s play. Police work is not dangerous, not even in the top ten most dangerous jobs. Cops aren’t risking their lives for anyone. In places that are really dangerous (a la Oakland), they either don’t go in, or go in with something like a tank, and full tactical gear.
No, no. In order to fix the police problem, we need to revert police back to Constitutionally-minded bounds. The nature of corruption must be understood, or else it just happens over and over. The Founding Fathers understood these issues, but gave us the rope (leeway) to proverbially hang ourselves so that if we became apathetic, we’d pay the piper. Now we are reaping the whirlwind. THe day we traded liberty (policing ourselve) for security (allowing thugs to ravish us like wolves) was the day we got neither. And that day is today.
nope, the fix was in the second he looked your way and decided it was your turn...
many years ago, an old retired city cop advised me as i condisered applying to the department, that they dont have quoats, but to make sure that i wrote enuff to keep from gettin sh!t duty in the ghetto...
dont forget that occifer finely gets paid extra for every testimony in that court too...
I’ve gotten one moving violation ticket in my entire life.It was in a rich,left wing suburb of Boston (is there any other kind?) and it was Barbara Streisand.So I fought it in court and was found “not resonsible” because I was able to give the judge a newspapers clipping from the day before showing that that town’s police chief had a quota for writing tickets...it even had a copy of the internal memo that had been leaked to the paper.
Refuse to blatantly perjure yourself to incriminate someone? Welcome to being a bike cop, or other undesirable or less desirable positions. Now they just dock your pay if you don't perjure yourself adequately - nice to know their techniques are being refined.
Thanks, and thanks for not minding the typos.
They relieve that stress by shooting the odd dog every now and then.
75 pct is in B’KLYN- 42 Known as ft Apache is in the Bx
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