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Was Rush Wrong About What He Said, Or How He Said It?

Posted on 03/05/2012 7:18:01 AM PST by Why So Serious

I will start with, I did not hear either the student's testimony, or Rush's response. Nor do I care to listen to either. I know the two sides of the argument. Girl wants to have sex and thinks someone else should pay for her birth control. Rush thinks covering any part of the cost of the sex is what he said it is.

This is so stupid. I believe that golf is very therapeutic. Lord knows how relaxed I am when I am on the golf course [even when I am playing bad]. That said, tell me why my company's healthcare provider should not cover the cost of my tee time. Oh, and I love to have a glass of red wine when I get home in the evening. You know, it helps me unwind in the same therapeutic way. So I would also like to be able to purchase my wine using my prescription card. Need I tell you what tooling around on my pontoon boat does for me, in a therapeutic way?

I am sure that we can all make a short list of things we spend money on that more closely falls under the umbrella of health care than birth control pills.

I am in no way against a woman wanting to take birth control. In fact my wife did take it before we were married and for a while after we were married. Guess who paid for it? The person who should have.


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1 posted on 03/05/2012 7:18:03 AM PST by Why So Serious
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To: Why So Serious

Rush was wrong by being conservative and saying it. If we were liberal, he could have called her a C*unt and no one have noticed.


2 posted on 03/05/2012 7:22:37 AM PST by 5thGenTexan
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To: Why So Serious
My take is Rush presented the slut and prostitute as an analogy. Ever notice how people take his words and twist them continuously?
3 posted on 03/05/2012 7:23:27 AM PST by hope
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To: Why So Serious

I have no doubt that before Rush said anything, he and his staff had planning meetings. Here they would discuss how to handle it in a way that entertained while, at the same time, kept or expanded listenership. They would have brainstormed what-if scenarios. They would have discussed using inflammatory remarks with a final goal in mind. And after all was said and done, they chose to go with the inflammatory accusation followed by the apology.

The real question is, was the apology part of the plan, or did they grossly miscalculate where the original remarks took us? I suspect it is the former, but the next couple of weeks will tell.


4 posted on 03/05/2012 7:23:56 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Why So Serious
Rush was very wrong in how he said this, because he took what should have been a great issue for conservatives, and blew it.

This woman clearly deserved to be attacked for her testimony on two grounds. First, she misrepresented the cost of birth control. Target has pointed out it has a store very near the campus where birth control pills only cost $9/month. She claimed they cost nearly $100. She could/should have been attacked as deliberately misrepresenting the cost of birth control to Congress and the public for political gain.

Second, she should have been attacked as an example of exactly why making it free is such a terrible idea. As an aspiring lawyer, she should know that your representative of your class should support your argument. But her personal circumstances and testimony was the opposite. She and her law school friends weren't unable to afford BC because of the cost. They actually were able to afford it and did pay for it themselves. They just wanted to spend that money on something else, and therefore wanted it subsidized. Imagine that --- people going to one of the best, more expensive law schools in the country, rather likely to end up as part of the 1%, expecting a $9/month handout so they can spend more money on concerts, beer, or other luxuries. Ridiculous.

But rather than hammer her on those grounds, which make her unsympathetic, Rush chose the slut route. Stupid.

5 posted on 03/05/2012 7:25:29 AM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Why So Serious

Did rush slip up in the language he used which allowed his opponents an unnecessary opening to demagogue? Sure he did. The next question is what can be done to change the terms of the debate away from rush’s language and back to the stupid policy this woman was pushing. We need to get off defense and back on offense.


6 posted on 03/05/2012 7:26:44 AM PST by plain talk
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To: Why So Serious

To even ask the question is to fall into the leftists’ trap.


7 posted on 03/05/2012 7:28:35 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Why So Serious

As I understand it, lots of insurance companies cover the cost of Viagra. Given that, I don’t think it is so odd—or in any way an indicator of “sluttiness”—for women to want prescription birth control to be covered as well.

The rightful question is whether and how much the federal government should be mandating what health insurance coverages.

IMO Rush was crass and offensive and he significantly hurt the conservative cause, because he both took the attention for the week running up to Super Tuesday off of Obama and the economy and he about finished up the Democrats’ work to get moderate, independent and casual Democrat woman voters fired up against the GOP for November.

Between Santorum and Rush, much of the Democrats’ work was effectively done for them.

I know that I’m in the distinct minority on FR for holding such opinions, but so it goes.


8 posted on 03/05/2012 7:29:09 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Rush spent hours hitting the exact points you mentioned. He also used a very logical and substantive route to label what she is doing as the same as a prostitute or slut. The later was perfectly acceptable, but those lines took on a life of their own. He probably took it too far, or at the very least should have handled it differently knowing there was a risk of having it used for propaganda purposes. Never before has anything he done been successfully used against sponsors or political gains. We’ll see how it shakes out this time.


9 posted on 03/05/2012 7:29:19 AM PST by ilgipper (Everything you get from the government was taken from someone else)
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To: hope
I agree...It was an analogy...Lotta Dem prostitutes around (please look up the definition)...the media is loaded with them.

Now, let's see Fluck's bank account and who is paying her for her "testimony". Was she under oath??

10 posted on 03/05/2012 7:29:35 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Why So Serious

If fluke wants to talk like a slut or back a position that makes it easier for women to be sluts, then she is a slut. Rush was right.

The liberal socialists believe that freedom of speech only applies to them. They wish death on conservatives, call us sluts, whore, teabaggers, astroturf, wish us to be raped. The minute a conservative uses the same words they go insane.

Liberals do not own the country and we can say what we please when we please. They better get used to it.


11 posted on 03/05/2012 7:29:53 AM PST by mardi59 (I'm not looking for MTV, I'm looking for MVP. Newt 2012!)
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To: Why So Serious

While I chuckled and thought what he had to say was true, I’m afraid ol’ Rushy broke one of his own rules. “Don’t beat up on a girl.”


12 posted on 03/05/2012 7:30:18 AM PST by 1raider1
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To: 5thGenTexan

It was an inelegant verbal execution of a sentiment that was spot on.


13 posted on 03/05/2012 7:30:18 AM PST by VanDeKoik (If case you are wondering, I'm supporting Newt.)
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To: Why So Serious

Since young women are having sex with abandon, the word, ‘slut’ no longer applies to anyone. Now, the word-of-the-day is hook-ups! Women go on the prowl to hook-up, and if they don’t find the right guy, the night is considered a failure. Of course, they don’t label themselves sluts...


14 posted on 03/05/2012 7:32:32 AM PST by Jaidyn
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To: cuban leaf

I don’t think he did the brain storming but its clear to me
that he should have had. As someone who knows he has a target painted on his back, he should know that every word
he utters is fair game for parsing by the Dark Side.


15 posted on 03/05/2012 7:33:21 AM PST by RitchieAprile
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To: Why So Serious

Rush....the word slut or whore was right. It was the reference that was, let’s say...misplaced. Fluke is and was a whore for the reason of prostituting herself for the big spenders on Capitol Hill. Plain and simple. The little tramp got her 15 minutes of fame and maybe got to sleep with some hot guy that suddenly was attracked to her fleeting fame. But really, she sold herself to a cause for cheap, fleeting fame.


16 posted on 03/05/2012 7:33:57 AM PST by free from tyranny
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To: cuban leaf

“I have no doubt that before Rush said anything, he and his staff had planning meetings”

...nope. Rush works for himself. Nobody oversees his show and pre-approves anything. His staff does what he tells them to do. When/if he makes an error that may be costly is when the big wigs at Clear Channel step in. His entire future is based on credibilty. Standing by his remarks would’ve been the plan if there was one. This was said off the cuff. Once he said it, he knew he stepped in it.


17 posted on 03/05/2012 7:34:10 AM PST by albie
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To: Why So Serious; TXnMA; Jim Robinson; butterdezillion; TigersEye; RKBA Democrat

The Judges on an Opinion Test are the MSM Liberals who sit on the High Court of Public Opinion.

They alone have the power to flunk anyone who states, or writes, an opinion that is their very own. (One of the few tests where this is true).

The rulings by these High-Poo-Bah Judges are always swift, absolute and final.

BTW, aren’t these Judges rulings also opinions that are subject to THE TRUTH SQUAD here on Free Republic?


18 posted on 03/05/2012 7:34:51 AM PST by Graewoulf (( obama"care" violates the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND is illegal by the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Why So Serious

Telling the world a popular activity is sinful will not be without consequence.

Hey, one guy got nailed to a tree just for saying how great it would be to be nice to people for a change.


19 posted on 03/05/2012 7:35:46 AM PST by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: Why So Serious

Liberal women should put a $20 dollar bill in a large jar each time they have sex and then drop off said FULL jar to the the Center for Disease Control.


20 posted on 03/05/2012 7:38:32 AM PST by CainConservative (Santorum/Huck 2012 w/ Newt, Cain, Palin, Bach, Parker, Watts, Duncan, & Petraeus in the Cabinet)
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To: albie

—Nobody oversees his show and pre-approves anything. —

I’m not talking about pre-approval. I’m talking about brainstorming. In my family, I make the important financial decisions, but my wife definitely has input, and often changes my mind. She does not oversee, but her input is valuable.

Rush would be an idiot if he did not at least consider the input of others. And he is no idiot.


21 posted on 03/05/2012 7:39:39 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

—This woman clearly deserved to be attacked for her testimony on two grounds. First, she misrepresented the cost of birth control. Target has pointed out it has a store very near the campus where birth control pills only cost $9/month. She claimed they cost nearly $100. She could/should have been attacked as deliberately misrepresenting the cost of birth control to Congress and the public for political gain.—

And now that this has been blown up, he CAN bring those things up. Think anybody will be curious as to what he has to say today? Think he may even have more listeners than usual?

;-)


22 posted on 03/05/2012 7:41:32 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Why So Serious

Well I just tried to say this in a vanity post, but it seems to have been ionized.

I think Rush should team up with Glenn Beck, and throw the weight of his technical and financial wherewithall behind GBTV. Perhaps even a controlling interest.

End run around the left. Speak directly to people.

Imagine Rush’s 20 million listeners and his resources, teaming up with Glenn’s new network.

The MSM would become a sideline.


23 posted on 03/05/2012 7:43:41 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ("The door is open" PALIN 2012)
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To: Why So Serious
This is what I don't understand about the whole thing?

Rush made what amounted to an offhand comment about Fluke near the end of his show on Wednesday, To Paraphrase "Ms. Fluke wants you to pay for her to have sex. So what to you call someone like wants to be paid to have sex? A slut? A prostitute?

That was it. At this point he had left himself enough wiggle room so if the SHTF, he would have an out by saying he didn't call Ms. Fluke a slut and a prostitute. He said that someone who wants to be paid for sex is a slut or a prostitute.

Well predictably the left tries to make a big deal over it. So what does Rush do? He gets back on the air Thursday and doubles down on everything he said the day before, leaving no doubt this time he thinks she is a slut and prostitute. Plus he takes if farther by adding comments about her spending so much time on her back, and being so sore she could barely walk to get to the hearing.

Which brings us to the big question? Why instead of trying to get out when he first slipped into the stew-pot, did Rush decide to swim a few laps instead? He's been through things like this before, he knew what was going to happen? Then strangest of all, after going all in and doubling down on what he said Wednesday on both Thursday and Friday. Rush folds like hotel sheet on Saturday afternoon.

24 posted on 03/05/2012 7:44:16 AM PST by apillar
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To: Why So Serious

Anyone who leeches off the taxpayers esecially for something as ridiculous as birth control is a slut.


25 posted on 03/05/2012 7:46:17 AM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (How ironic that Ann Coulter should write a book called Treason.)
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To: Why So Serious

Leftists spent much of last year organizing “Slut Walks” for “reproductive rights,” and now they claim the right to be offended by the term. Can’t have it both ways.


26 posted on 03/05/2012 7:47:10 AM PST by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: ilgipper
Rush spent hours hitting the exact points you mentioned. He also used a very logical and substantive route to label what she is doing as the same as a prostitute or slut. The later was perfectly acceptable, but those lines took on a life of their own. He probably took it too far, or at the very least should have handled it differently knowing there was a risk of having it used for propaganda purposes.

Exactly. The problem Rush has is that sometimes, the tension between being a serious commentator and an entertainer leads to this kind of thing. It was a stupid thing to say.

27 posted on 03/05/2012 7:47:34 AM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: hope
My take is Rush presented the slut and prostitute as an analogy. Ever notice how people take his words and twist them continuously?

______________________________________

I heard him and I cringed. He wasn't making any analogy.

What he said was ugly and it was over the line. OK, that happens.

But what he said was also profoundly stupid for the simple reason that he had the argument won. He had presented a linear, logical case that could not be honestly contested. Then he made it personal...and in doing so handed the enemy the victory.

Once he made it personal (and ugly) he turned the spotlight off the idiot girl and on to himself, and by extension, all conservatives. Any fool knows that the media left would run with that --- and they did.

Rush's actions were stupid, stupid, stupid.

28 posted on 03/05/2012 7:52:17 AM PST by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: 9YearLurker
As I understand it, lots of insurance companies cover the cost of Viagra. Given that, I don’t think it is so odd—or in any way an indicator of “sluttiness”—for women to want prescription birth control to be covered as well.

I think it's odd... dare I say "perverted...," that recreational Viagra is covered. Given that, it's a odd... dare I say "perverted...," that a woman wants her recreational contraceptives covered.

29 posted on 03/05/2012 7:59:58 AM PST by Joe the Pimpernel (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to behead anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: free from tyranny
Lets get to the facts that many have missed! Everything Rush said last Thursday and Friday concerning this woman is true.

The Media loved not printing or repeating Rush's full statement!

Now the truth about Sandra Fluke! She sounds like a slut to me!

http://www.floridapoliticalpress.com/2012/03/03/sandra-fluke-a-white-house-plant-in-contraceptive-controversy/

She goes “shopping” at the age of 30 (not 23) for a Catholic College that does not have coverage for birth control pills.

She chooses Georgetown at the cost of $65,000 per year, but she can not afford ALL the birth control pills she needs!

She just “happens” to show up in Congress to testify about how she must have the U.S. taxpayers pay for her birth control pills.

The Socialists in Congress call her brave, wonderful, and Obama tells her her parents should be so very proud of her!

Obama’s message to parents? When looking for a college for your daughter, make sure they cover the cost of ALL the birth control pills she will need!

30 posted on 03/05/2012 8:00:57 AM PST by seekthetruth (I want a Commander In Chief who honors and supports our Military!)
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To: Why So Serious
"Girl wants to have sex and thinks someone else should pay for her birth control..."

You are off a bit here, 30 year-old woman (no girl) says she is and will continue to have sex and demands that I pay for her birth control but also her abortion pill, should she "forget to take the birth control pill."

I'm not demanding that she pay for my choice, why should I be forced to pay for hers?

This is not only unconstitutional but immoral in a real world but in one envisioned by Orwell, it not only is reasonable but now mandatory, according to the left and more and more of the "sheeple!"

31 posted on 03/05/2012 8:00:57 AM PST by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin
Rush chose the slut route. Stupid.

Really? It caught your attention, didn't it. Otherwise your beautiful constructed remarks would have never happened. Rush did it correct and this nitwit is a slut.

32 posted on 03/05/2012 8:01:58 AM PST by Logical me
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To: Joe the Pimpernel

If in either case the insurance company determines that it wants to include the offering in its coverage, that’s fine with me—I just want the friggin’ government out of the decision on all those coverage issues!


33 posted on 03/05/2012 8:03:45 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Why So Serious
Was Rush Wrong About What He Said, Or How He Said It?

NEITHER

34 posted on 03/05/2012 8:04:07 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: Why So Serious

Your vanity is based on a false premise. Rush was wrong neither in what he said nor in how he said it. He was wrong in apologizing for it.

Fluke will now forever be known as the ‘woman who faced down Rush Limbaugh’.


35 posted on 03/05/2012 8:05:06 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Why, yes. I AM in a bad mood.)
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To: ilgipper
Rush spent hours hitting the exact points you mentioned. He also used a very logical and substantive route to label what she is doing as the same as a prostitute or slut. The later was perfectly acceptable, but those lines took on a life of their own. He probably took it too far, or at the very least should have handled it differently knowing there was a risk of having it used for propaganda purposes. Never before has anything he done been successfully used against sponsors or political gains.

From what I heard, I think you are exactly correct. The Democrats had the strategy of making Obamacare about contraception in order to get it passed and overcome Republicans. They have been successful in every step of their socialist take over of the healthcare industry.

36 posted on 03/05/2012 8:09:22 AM PST by alrea
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To: 9YearLurker
lots of insurance companies cover the cost of Viagra
ED is a disease and Viagra, Cialis, etc., are solutions, not sexual stimulants.
In fact, Cialis was just given FDA approval as a treatment for another male only disease, BPH.
37 posted on 03/05/2012 8:09:39 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: apillar

The left was already distorting this issue to make it about “access to contraception” rather than what it is about: government coercion and religious freedom. What Rush did is allow the Left to add in another layer of confusion to cloud the issue even further. Dumb move by Rush.


38 posted on 03/05/2012 8:10:19 AM PST by crusader71
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To: Jaidyn

Does that make them “hookers”?


39 posted on 03/05/2012 8:10:19 AM PST by luckymom (The Son of God became a man that men might become sons of God. -C.S. Lewis)
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To: wtc911
Rush's actions were stupid, stupid, stupid.

Got your attention. Maybe not so stupid.

40 posted on 03/05/2012 8:10:54 AM PST by Logical me
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin
Sorry to disagree, friend, but it's NOT about cost - that puts you already agreeing that someone should be forced to pay for that or any woman's "choice," it's about constitutional and morality!

I don't care how that woman chooses to use her time and her body but to demand that I cover the costs of her choice is absurd on it's face!

That was what Rush was saying using words in an earlier time would have been calling her exactly what she is - a slut and a whore (the prostitute part fits as well in that she is demanding payment for her actions but not from her sleeping partners, whom she should have looked to in the first place, but to me!)

41 posted on 03/05/2012 8:11:11 AM PST by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Usually Rush plays the left... this time they playd him and he jumped into their trap with both feet and mouth


42 posted on 03/05/2012 8:13:50 AM PST by Breto (The Establishment party is killing our country)
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To: Why So Serious; 5thGenTexan

What the heck is your point? That Rush was right, but you prefer us to act like weinies?

Post #2 is DEAD ON!


43 posted on 03/05/2012 8:17:29 AM PST by X-spurt (Its time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: 9YearLurker
As I understand it, lots of insurance companies cover the cost of Viagra. Given that, I don’t think it is so odd—or in any way an indicator of “sluttiness”—for women to want prescription birth control to be covered as well.

Our insurance covers birth control, but NOT Viagra. I think it is the opposite of what you stated. Health insurance companies tend to cover female issues, but not male health issues. Think mammograms and PSAs (prostate exams). They've been ignoring men for a VERY long time. Some companies are just now getting on board.

44 posted on 03/05/2012 8:18:02 AM PST by madison10
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To: VanDeKoik

Are you wearing a Tuxedo?


45 posted on 03/05/2012 8:22:50 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: luckymom
Does that make them “hookers”?

LOL! If the shoe fits...

46 posted on 03/05/2012 8:23:32 AM PST by Jaidyn
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To: Why So Serious
Well at least we come out of this with a new adjective: "FLUKE" or FLUKED".....as in, she's a FLUKE, you've been FLUKED, etc.

Can be used in place of BORK or BORKED.

Why that girl even FLUKED Rush, and his sponsers are FLUKING him now.

Ms. Flukes theme song: "I can't get no, Satisfaction", Rush should play this song on his show, we will know the joke.

47 posted on 03/05/2012 8:24:03 AM PST by annieokie
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To: Logical me
Got your attention. Maybe not so stupid.

____________________________________

Really?

What has been the focus of all the conversation about fluke's 'testimony'...her actions or Rush's comments?

Please explain to me, in detail, exactly how turning the conversation away from the free contraception issue to a public flogging of Rush (one that led to his apology) is a smart thing.

48 posted on 03/05/2012 8:26:30 AM PST by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: X-spurt
I agree. Bill Maher can call Sarah Palin a c*nt and a tw*t and that some how is okay. Nobody bats an eye.

How about the CNN gaff? Imagine if Fox had done this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ99u3JvQWo

49 posted on 03/05/2012 8:29:39 AM PST by Why So Serious (There is no cure for stupidity!!!)
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To: zerosix

I wonder if her Dental Insurance covers Dentures. Because that Gingival Recession she has is reaching critical mass.


50 posted on 03/05/2012 8:33:21 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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