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Man ordered to remove 72-ft boat from yard
upi ^ | March. 5, 2012

Posted on 03/06/2012 6:13:25 AM PST by JoeProBono

NEWPORT BEACH, Calif., A California man who has spent the past six years restoring a 72-foot ship in his yard said the city is ordering him to get rid of the boat.

Dennis Holland, who has been restoring the Shawnee, a 1916 ketch, at his Newport Beach home, said city officials obtained a court injunction giving him until April 30 to get rid of the vessel, the Los Angeles Times reported Monday.

Deputy City Attorney Kyle Rowen said Holland faces fines of up to $1,000 per day or possible jail time if he does not comply with the injunction, which was issued Thursday by Superior Court Judge Gregory Munoz.

Holland is accused of not abiding by an ordinance requiring him to obtain a permit. He said officials would not grant him a permit because he could not give them an estimated date of completion.

"Mr. Holland has been in violation of city laws for many years and has had ample opportunity to move the boat to a suitable location," City Attorney Aaron Harp wrote in an email Friday. "The city is hopeful that Mr. Holland will comply with the court order and move the boat to a suitable location that is consistent with applicable laws."

Holland said the ordinance he is accused of violating was passed in 2009 and he did not break any laws when he originally began the project.

"I can't move the boat," Holland said Friday. "The city's going to have to come in and destroy it. I don't have the heart to."


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1 posted on 03/06/2012 6:13:28 AM PST by JoeProBono
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To: JoeProBono

Noah had the same problem.


2 posted on 03/06/2012 6:17:18 AM PST by iowamark (The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, But in ourselves)
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To: JoeProBono

If he was my neighbor I’d do it for him.


3 posted on 03/06/2012 6:18:01 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: iowamark

BTT!!


4 posted on 03/06/2012 6:19:15 AM PST by momtothree
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To: JoeProBono
This looks more like Costa Mesa, its right next to Newport Beach. I don't know of any section of NB that looks like that.

Costa Mesa on the other hand....
5 posted on 03/06/2012 6:20:13 AM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: JoeProBono

“...he could not give them an estimated date of completion.”

How about, “on the 12th of Never”.


6 posted on 03/06/2012 6:20:50 AM PST by carriage_hill
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To: JoeProBono

take the city to court... he is grandfathered in ( you cannot enforce an ordinance retroactively ) he will win hands down


7 posted on 03/06/2012 6:25:10 AM PST by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: JoeProBono

Maybe he can sell it on eBay.


8 posted on 03/06/2012 6:26:09 AM PST by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: JoeProBono
More here...the guy is an expert in boat building and repair.

California Man Shouldn't Have to Move Vintage Boat Project

On YouTube: Dennis Holland and the Shawnee

This sucks. I think this is right around the corner from where the company I used to work with is located.
9 posted on 03/06/2012 6:27:50 AM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: iowamark


10 posted on 03/06/2012 6:29:39 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas gerit ;-{)
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To: JoeProBono

11 posted on 03/06/2012 6:30:00 AM PST by Daffynition (On Andrew Breitbart: In his honor, I'll fight harder...He'll be back and he'll be millions.)
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To: Tainan


12 posted on 03/06/2012 6:50:00 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas gerit ;-{)
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To: JoeProBono

I can’t see any of your pics.


13 posted on 03/06/2012 6:55:24 AM PST by citizen (The Dims will all unite for Zero. We must soon unite behind our challenger and back him to victory!)
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To: JoeProBono

I think they are blocked at my work. grrrr


14 posted on 03/06/2012 6:57:23 AM PST by citizen (The Dims will all unite for Zero. We must soon unite behind our challenger and back him to victory!)
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To: JoeProBono

“How long can you tread water?”


15 posted on 03/06/2012 6:57:50 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: JoeProBono

How many cubits are in 72 feet?


16 posted on 03/06/2012 6:58:43 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Daffynition

17 posted on 03/06/2012 7:02:58 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas gerit ;-{)
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To: driftdiver
If he was my neighbor, I'd help him finish the boat in exchange for a few trips out on the finished project.

Neighborhood Nazi's. I hate it when folks come along after the fact and ruin the enjoyment of your property. Like shooting ranges getting shut down because the Californians who moved in to the new housing development next door don't like the noise...

18 posted on 03/06/2012 7:04:06 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: JoeProBono
"I can't move the boat," Holland said Friday. "The city's going to have to come in and destroy it. I don't have the heart to."

Uh ... if you can't move it then why did you pick that particular spot to rebuild it? Ya gotta think these things through, dude.

19 posted on 03/06/2012 7:04:10 AM PST by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: JoeProBono

Just an observation, naked carpentry is usually a bad idea. And, please, no jokes about getting wood, ok? Thanks


20 posted on 03/06/2012 7:04:14 AM PST by muir_redwoods (No wonder this administration favors abortion; everything they have done is an abortion)
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To: dfwgator

72 feet = 48 cubits


21 posted on 03/06/2012 7:04:20 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas gerit ;-{)
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To: JoeProBono

Riiight......what’s a cubit?


22 posted on 03/06/2012 7:05:06 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: JoeProBono
This guy has a familiarity with this boat going back to the 50s, and bought the boat when he heard the city was going to scrap her.

He also has cancer and will likely not see the completion of his project - he intends for his son to finish it.

Bureaucracies are the same all over - real bottom feeders.

23 posted on 03/06/2012 7:06:07 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Travis McGee

Bttt...FYI !


24 posted on 03/06/2012 7:06:31 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: al_c
Because when he started it, it wasn't against any ordinances?

Some projects can't be moved. I have had several project cars that once they are up on jacks and the wheels are off, they don't move until I'm done with them.

25 posted on 03/06/2012 7:06:54 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Dead Corpse

I’d help him too, but after 6 years and him refusing to provide a timeline it looks more like an eyesore.

When a neighbor effects the enjoyment of my property I take offense. If I move in next to a shooting range its my bad. If they move a giant ugly ass boat in then its theirs.


26 posted on 03/06/2012 7:07:15 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: JoeProBono

Just an FYI, 72 feet is 44.3076923 of my cubits.


27 posted on 03/06/2012 7:07:20 AM PST by muir_redwoods (No wonder this administration favors abortion; everything they have done is an abortion)
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To: JoeProBono

That’s pretty cool. I might consider it a neighborhood attraction, although there is the noise issue. How long is it going to take him to finish? Someone in town took six years to build a 3500 sq ft house all by himself.

Holland’s house looks like an upside down boat, with a wheelhouse perched on the hull.


28 posted on 03/06/2012 7:08:38 AM PST by heartwood
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To: driftdiver
The law went into effect after he was already working on it.

Do you live next to him? If not, then you really don't have much of a complaint here...

29 posted on 03/06/2012 7:09:46 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Squantos; Dead Corpse
"The road to hell is paved with good old wooden boats." --Mariner's proverb #42.

A metal boat, on the other hand, you can toss on a giant low-boy, and haul to the water.


30 posted on 03/06/2012 7:12:14 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Dead Corpse

Well gee I guess FR should just shut down since we can only comment on things that directly effect us.


31 posted on 03/06/2012 7:12:20 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: JoeProBono
Yeah, I can see that piece of you-know-what lowering the sales prices of homes in the area.
Unless this guy wants to pay the differences in the tens of thousands each one of these homes would lose, I would suggest he move it pronto.
32 posted on 03/06/2012 7:12:56 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: driftdiver

“When a neighbor effects the enjoyment of my property I take offense. If I move in next to a shooting range its my bad. If they move a giant ugly ass boat in then its theirs.”

It is his property. Where do you get the rights to claim anything about it? Maybe he doesn’t like the color of your house or that you BBQ outside and should demand you change those things? Maybe he thinks you have a cheap car and you should get a better looking one.


33 posted on 03/06/2012 7:13:28 AM PST by CodeToad (NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!!!)
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To: al_c

http://saveshawnee.com


34 posted on 03/06/2012 7:13:35 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas gerit ;-{)
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To: Dead Corpse

But if the hull is sound, it can be moved ... just as if it’s finished. That said, my point was that if it can be moved when completed, why not now?

But don’t misunderstand me ... I do NOT agree with the city on forcing this move. An ordinance can not be retroactive.


35 posted on 03/06/2012 7:14:17 AM PST by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: carriage_hill
“...he could not give them an estimated date of completion.”

"How about, “on the 12th of Never”.

That would be an excellent estimation. With a wood boat when you get done at one end it's time to go back to the other and start again.

36 posted on 03/06/2012 7:14:42 AM PST by moehoward
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To: JoeProBono

Did ytou get your cubit to feet conversion chart at Home Depot?


37 posted on 03/06/2012 7:15:01 AM PST by pgkdan (Rick Santorum 2012. Conservative's last, best chance!)
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To: JoeProBono

That’s a sweet boat.


38 posted on 03/06/2012 7:15:10 AM PST by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: dfwgator

Cosby. :-)


39 posted on 03/06/2012 7:16:23 AM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: All

http://saveshawnee.com/


40 posted on 03/06/2012 7:17:32 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas gerit ;-{)
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To: Travis McGee

Lol.... When stationed on the Canadian Michigan border I built a canoe .....:o)


41 posted on 03/06/2012 7:17:44 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: JoeProBono
Dennis Holland and the Shawnee
42 posted on 03/06/2012 7:18:21 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: JoeProBono

If he lived where I do, he could just move it around back. The neighbor whose yard backs up to mine has had a 30 foot motor home rotting away just over my property line for 15 years. He’s in legal compliance since “it can’t be seen from the street”.


43 posted on 03/06/2012 7:18:47 AM PST by Leroy S. Mort
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To: CodeToad

a BBQ isn’t a 72 foot ugly ass boat


44 posted on 03/06/2012 7:20:50 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: pgkdan


45 posted on 03/06/2012 7:24:22 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas gerit ;-{)
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To: driftdiver

That’s nice of you to offer to help. I think it adds a lot of ambiance to the neighborhood and is a definite plus. It’s not like there are a lot of old cars and broken toilets littering the scene. This is a beach town and it fits in well.

In the old days one would often see people’s boats in their yards as they were working on them. I remember one guy who finally finished his HUGE boat—it had been in his yard for at least a decade as he worked on it—and had it delivered to the ocean telling me he didn’t buy the necessary permits to move it on the streets as it was far cheaper just to pay the fines.


46 posted on 03/06/2012 7:25:03 AM PST by Auntie Mame (Fear not tomorrow. God is already there.)
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To: JoeProBono

John Holmes was a Sailor? I did not know that.


47 posted on 03/06/2012 7:25:52 AM PST by Kickass Conservative (New Tagline under construction, please watch your step.)
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To: driftdiver

A 1988 rusted out Civic is also an ugly ass car, but to each his own.


48 posted on 03/06/2012 7:28:56 AM PST by CodeToad (NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!!!)
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To: Tainan
It's on the Bluff, the City line could be down the middle of the Street.

An old friend lives over there and his Property is worth 20% more than his across the street Neighbor because he is in Newport, while the Neighbor is in Costa Mesa.

49 posted on 03/06/2012 7:29:25 AM PST by Kickass Conservative (New Tagline under construction, please watch your step.)
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To: driftdiver

Gee... Is that really you Captain Hyperbole?


50 posted on 03/06/2012 7:29:54 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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