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Ethicists Ask: “Why Should the Baby Live?”
http://liveactionnews.org/human-rights/ethicists-ask-why-should-the-baby-live/ ^ | 3/7/2012 | Kristi Burton Brown

Posted on 03/07/2012 8:32:34 PM PST by Morgana

It’s commonly understood that having a baby is the way to bring new life into the world. And typically, a life should live, right? Normal people don’t usually go around asking, “Why should that person live?” Usually, the question would be, “Why should they die?”

But, in a strange—and horrifying—turn of events, ethicists have written in the UK’s BMJ Journal of Medical Ethics that some infants should be slated for death. They have written a paper entitled “After-Birth Abortion: Why Should the Baby Live?”

Cassy Fiano has already detailed much of the information included in this outrageous paper. However, I’d like to call out a few more points specifically.

First, let’s be clear on one thing. This paper really and truly advocates the position that parents should be allowed to order the death of their newborn infant for ANY REASON WHATSOEVER. These “ethicists” argue for no restrictions at all. Any reason a parent may think of is perfectly acceptable. The paper states:

…when circumstances occur after birth such that they would have justified abortion, what we call after-birth abortion should be permissible.

What justifies abortion in modern day America? Any reason under the sun. Of course, some states have enacted restrictions, but these restrictions usually apply to a point in time in the pregnancy at which abortion is no longer allowed. These restrictions do not typically prohibit a certain reason for having an abortion. Thus, under the ethicists’ argument, even with these prohibitive laws, newborn infants should still be eligible for free murder, at their parents’ discretion.

Second, this entirely whacked out article claims that a newborn baby is, in fact, NOT a new person who has been brought into existence. Read the explanation:

Failing to bring a new person into existence cannot be compared with the wrong caused by procuring the death of an existing person. The reason is that, unlike the case of death of an existing person, failing to bring a new person into existence does not prevent anyone from accomplishing any of her future aims. However, this consideration entails a much stronger idea than the one according to which severely handicapped children should be euthanised. If the death of a newborn is not wrongful to her on the grounds that she cannot have formed any aim that she is prevented from accomplishing, then it should also be permissible to practise an after-birth abortion on a healthy newborn too, given that she has not formed any aim yet….

It is not possible to damage a newborn by preventing her from developing the potentiality to become a person in the morally relevant sense.

While these ethicists eagerly agree that a newborn is a human being, they adamantly deny that such an infant exists. Somehow, in their delusional minds, a living creature/person/human/animal/thing (whatever they wish to call the infant) does not exist. He lives, but he does not exist. The ethicists never state when, exactly, a human being begins to exist and therefore, acquire the right to life. They appear to argue that some newborns are eligible for “after-birth abortions” for a few days, and some for a few weeks. It all depends on the mental state so, hey, it may be even longer for some babies.

Finally, if you take the time to read the whole article, you will find it filled with hypocrisy, contradictions, and psycho-babble. While claiming that newborns have a right not to be inflicted with pain, they argue for their murder, based simply on the conflicting plans of the parents. While arguing that we should consider future potential people—who will one day exist—in some decisions (i.e., environmental ones), they argue that current potential people can be killed at random.

The arguments set out in this article are some of the most dangerous this world has ever seen—clearly on par with the writings of Hitler and other deranged individuals. The article argues in support of the free and rampant murder of human beings as the ethicists attempt to explain away all harm that comes from such actions:

If a potential person, like a fetus and a newborn, does not become an actual person, like you and us, then there is neither an actual nor a future person who can be harmed, which means that there is no harm at all. So, if you ask one of us if we would have been harmed, had our parents decided to kill us when we were fetuses or newborns, our answer is ‘no’, because they would have harmed someone who does not exist (the ‘us’ whom you are asking the question), which means no one. And if no one is harmed, then no harm occurred.

Shame on these writers for calling themselves ethicists when they lack the most obvious of moral values—a simple appreciation for human life at all stages. And shame on the BMJ Journal of Medical Ethics which claims to “help doctors make better decisions” for daring to print this article—chock full of the seeds of human rights violations.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: abortion; baby; ethicists; prolife
The word "ethicist" and "kill a baby" in the same sentence? Is it just me or is something wrong here? Have they no ethics?
1 posted on 03/07/2012 8:32:36 PM PST by Morgana
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To: Morgana
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness-----------"

They think they've killed God off, now they feel free to kill anyone without reason.

2 posted on 03/07/2012 8:36:27 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Morgana

I can see the time coming, and it’s not far off, when decent, normal people start “aborting” maggots like these “ethicists”.


3 posted on 03/07/2012 8:39:20 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (It's time for the DemocRAT voter base to start paying their "fair share" of taxes.)
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To: Morgana

Why stop at newborns? Why stop at one’s own children? Why shouldn’t I order the death of these ethicists?


4 posted on 03/07/2012 8:39:35 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Morgana

Satan’s power is growing in this world. It is almost tangible.


5 posted on 03/07/2012 8:44:35 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Morgana

“Journal of Medical Ethics”: A Periodical of Socialist Degenerative Pure Evil

I actually agree with Santorum. Satan is alive and on the march in America.


6 posted on 03/07/2012 8:48:27 PM PST by FormerACLUmember
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To: Morgana

Babies ask why should the ethicists live? Ethicist dumbfounded.


7 posted on 03/07/2012 8:52:58 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Morgana

“Ethicists Ask: “Why Should the Baby Live?”

Maybe they should ask themselves a more important question: Why should the ethicists live?


8 posted on 03/07/2012 8:54:53 PM PST by FerociousRabbit
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To: Morgana

When ethicists have no ethics, why should anyone listen to them at all?


9 posted on 03/07/2012 8:57:46 PM PST by Waryone (Mitt Romney, dangerous homosexualist and lying socialist)
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To: FormerACLUmember

Obama is a prime example of the onslaught of evil in America and the world in general.


10 posted on 03/07/2012 8:59:22 PM PST by doc1019 (Romney will never get my vote!)
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To: Morgana

if they say that, then murder should be made legal. In fact encouraged (Mandrake the magician future) — and you can kill these “ethicists” with no punishment whatsoever (except maybe littering as these guys are garbage...)... — it’s so easy to say “those people are superfluous”, but what about when one is talking of oneself?


11 posted on 03/07/2012 9:02:11 PM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: BenLurkin

Evil cannot exist without WILLING participants. I believe that in so many ways, humanity has been bred OUT of mankind. Gog and Magog. THAT war is already being fought.


12 posted on 03/07/2012 9:03:19 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: BenLurkin
Yep...palpable! His hatred of God and those who love Him is almost visible to the naked eye!

And Obama is leading this parade!

13 posted on 03/07/2012 9:06:55 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Newt: Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay Less. Barack Obama: Have Algae, Pay More, Be Weird.)
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To: Cronos; MestaMachine; Morgana
A short story by G. K. Chesterton touching more or less on this topic:

When Doctors Agree

Cheers!

14 posted on 03/07/2012 9:11:05 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: freedomfiter2
Why stop at newborns? Why stop at one’s own children? Why shouldn’t I order the death of these ethicists?

That haven't stopped at newborns - where do you think this ass-backwards way of thinking comes FROM? I'll tell you - ADMINISTRATIVE LAW. Where you are "presumed guilty unless you can prove yourself innocent."

It makes me so damed angry that people don't GET this. Not you in particular, freedomfiter2, I'm speaking generally.

When we lose the jurisdiction of the original Constitution - the Doctrine of Negative Rights, of Due Process based on Innocence unless guilt can be proven by the State, WE LOSE EVERYTHING - GAME, SET AND MATCH - IT'S OVER RIGHT AT THE START.

The only thing we're watching now is the incremental advance of the SAME claims of supriority by which tax laws are enforced, applied to EVERYTHING and EVERYONE.

The SAME LEGAL BASIS.

15 posted on 03/07/2012 9:12:20 PM PST by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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To: Morgana

Following the link to the story, and then the link in the story, to the posted article in the “Journal of Medical Ethics”:

Not Found

Content not found.


16 posted on 03/07/2012 9:17:13 PM PST by samtheman
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To: freedomfiter2

Cute little babies > baby-killing “ethicists”


17 posted on 03/07/2012 11:41:31 PM PST by DNA.2012
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To: MestaMachine

There is no Gog, and there is no Magog. Never was. Never will be.


18 posted on 03/07/2012 11:42:56 PM PST by DNA.2012
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To: Morgana; lilycicero; MaryLou1; glock rocks; JPG; VinceASA; Monkey Face; RIghtwardHo; ...
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19 posted on 03/07/2012 11:44:08 PM PST by narses
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To: Talisker

You’re right. What really gets me is the candidates that are supposed to be our next saviour that just want to tweek the corrupt system. I believe Santorum gets it regarding life issues but I don’t think he understands how these same issues apply to all of life. The others don’t get it at all with the possible exception of Paul and he couldn’t win if only Freepers were voting.


20 posted on 03/08/2012 4:20:32 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: DNA.2012

I use the terms metaphorically to represent GOOD and EVIL, not a people or a place.
Your screen name suggests you are into science? Do you discount the Bible in favor of ‘science’? Because if you do, you do not undertand the Bible at all.


21 posted on 03/08/2012 6:02:11 AM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: Morgana

Meanwhile, babies ask, “Why should ethicists live?”


22 posted on 03/08/2012 6:05:34 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: grey_whiskers

THAT was one heck of a read.
I had to laugh at myself the other day because I was feeling supersick and actually stated out loud, “I am so tired of spending every day dying.”
The fact is, that is exactly what we do. We just don’t usually think of it that way.


23 posted on 03/08/2012 6:11:53 AM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: Waryone

They have ethics. They just have very bad ethics.


24 posted on 03/08/2012 6:33:37 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Morgana
This is a logical consequence of third-trimester abortion. If a baby can be killed just before he would normally be born, then why shouldn't he be killed just after birth?

Those who deny the "slippery slope" argument now see the consequence in front of them.

25 posted on 03/08/2012 7:04:36 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: samtheman
Doing a google search for the title (“After-Birth Abortion: Why Should the Baby Live?”) produces a hit at "me.bmj.com/content/early/2012/02/.../medethics-2011-100411.full", and google shows
by A Giubilini - 2012 - Cited by 1

Abstract. Abortion is largely accepted even for reasons that do not have anything to do with the fetus' health. By showing that (1) both fetuses and newborns do ...

so it's in the google cache, but the site seems to have removed the article.

Telegraph UK has an article on the paper from before BMJ took it down. It was probably taken down after one author received death threats over it.

26 posted on 03/08/2012 7:21:46 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: Morgana

Ethics which do not recognize the sovereignty of God will invariably lead to un-Godly conclusions. The Founders of our nation recognized that our unalienable rights were derived from a Creator. In this case, the Christian God.

Systems which rely on alternate authority will arrive at a system which reflects that basis:

i.e. Muslims have Sharia, the essence of depravity derived from Islam, a satanic cult.

Democrats, socialists, Progressives have a secular based moral relativism - they believe they can ‘judge’ every case on a case by case basis, without any predefined standard. But they forget that they are a litigant as well as judge. In the end, their ‘higher’ values logically reduce to ‘what is in MY personal best interest’.

Hard-core Marxists and Communists (and most Dem’s lean this way, half in, as it were) believe that deeds/actions/events have only POLITICAL value, not intrinsic rightness or wrongness. So if a lie helps the cause, it is good. If a lie hinders the cause, it is bad. The same values hold true for killing, cheating, stealing, etc. After all, a few eggs may need to be broken.

All society’s have a system of values. The case may be made that the viability of a society DEPENDS upon its values system; and conversely that values systems may be judged by the viability of practicing society’s. This would lead most investigators to conclude that the Judeo-Christian system is the most successful system of values available for a culture.

Which might, if one weren’t careful, lead one to accept the Lordship of the Judeo-Christian God.


27 posted on 03/08/2012 9:38:54 AM PST by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: PapaBear3625

Thanks for the link to the Telegraph article. I’d like to comment on it in detail, later, when I have more energy. Just spent a long day at work.

What I do want to say now is this:

As a teenager I went through a phase when I read a lot of Hitler books. The rise and fall of Hitler, the full history of the war and the holocaust. A lot of books by holocaust survivors describing the horrors of the death camps.

Reading this stuff reminds me of those days. This is pure Nazism. 100% pure Nazi.

Anybody who can’t see that is a complete moron, a total liar, or both.


28 posted on 03/08/2012 5:17:56 PM PST by samtheman
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To: samtheman

There is a problem with having humans decide where the line is, the line which has on one side “these are people with human rights” and on the other side “this is not human and has no rights. The problem is that human lines can never be sacred — another person WILL decide to move the line.


29 posted on 03/08/2012 6:37:56 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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