Skip to comments.Reagan Was A Sure ZOT Too
Posted on 03/07/2012 9:20:15 PM PST by Sick of Lefties
William McGurn is his usual magnificent self today.
[quote] Not since Herbert Hoover has a party out of power had such an opportunity to run against everything that troubles the American familyprices, interest rates, unemployment, taxes, or the fear for the future of their old age or the future of their childrenthan is now presented to the Republican Party.
The Republicans, however, haven't figured this out. This is their basic problem. They have no strategy for defeating an Obama administration that is highly vulnerable on both domestic and foreign policy. [end quote]
Those words were written by Scotty Reston in a New York Times column published on February 29, 1980 about President Jimmy Carter's good fortune, rather than President Obama's, to be facing such a pack stumblebums. We all know how Reston's prognostications turned out.
Nothing has changed. To listen to the media, the Republicans are always stupid and confused, bumbling and inept, obtuse and unelectable.
It's funny how only Republicans palatable to the New York Times lose Presidential elections. You'd think the public would wise up to the ruse.
[quote] Then as now, the chattering classes wondered aloud whether a candidate who could win the Republican nomination could prevail against President Carter in November. On March 1, former President Gerald Ford amplified that view when he told a New York Times reporter, "Every place I go and everything I hear, there is the growing, growing sentiment that Governor Reagan cannot win the election." [end quote]
Can it be long before John McCain, the New York Times preferred Republican candidate in 2008, presents himself for nomination at the convention? Too bad for the Times that Gerald Ford is no longer available to provide sound bites.
Especially of note is what McGurn implies about the standard for Republican candidates: perfection.
[quote] Nor was candidate Reagan without baggage. As governor, Reagan had pushed through the largest tax hike in California's history, had signed one of the nation's most liberal abortion laws, andas George H.W. Bush pointed outpresided over the doubling of the state budget over his eight-year tenure, to $10.2 billion when he left office from $4.6 billion when he entered. [end quote]
Mitt, Rick, Newt and Ron are imperfect, too, just like Dutch. Get over it.
They can grow. And, unlike our current President, they won't unilaterally pass any trillion dollar entitlements; balloon the size and scope of government; redistribute red state tax revenues to fill blue state budget holes; disarm the nation; abandon space to America's rivals; kill off feasible energy projects that would make America independent of hostile forces; shackle the economy with taxes and regulation; trample on American's religious liberties in the name of women's health and other shibboleths, etc.
[quote] [Reagan] would face Santorum-like fears about his social message, especially after appearing at a mass gathering of Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals. A minister with whom he'd shared a stage was taped saying "we're being attacked by satanic forces," which Times columnist Anthony Lewis declared "the scariest piece of television" he'd seen in some time.
Yes, the parallels to 1980 take you only so far, and Mitt Romney is no Ronald Reagan. Still, at this same point in his campaign for the GOP nomination, neither was Reagan. The President Reagan we rightly admire for bringing down the Berlin Wall, reviving the U.S. economy, and attracting into the GOP millions of disaffected Democrats was still to come.
And he got there by transcending the conventional wisdom rather than allowing himself or his message to be limited by it. [end quote]
That just about says it all. Whoever the eventual candidate is, as President he will have to surmount daily attacks from the mainstream media, just as Reagan did, and probably die before garnering any recognition for saving America from bankruptcy and national decline.
It's a tough job, but somebody's got to do it. Any of the Republican candidates are sufficiently suited to the task of saving the nation from today's vulnerable administration.
I won’t be voting for Bishop Romney.
Reagan had a name for people like Slick Willard... he called them “Democrats.”
What does Mitt Romney stand for? Describe for me the core of this man, what does he truly believe and just how did he arrive at those beliefs?
Our country is about to be overrun from inside by communist radicals, and Mitt Romney is the only man capable of turning back these treacherous bastards because why exactly?
Politically speaking, Romney is just another version of Obama.
Gosh, you have been here since 2003, and you are totally puzzled why I won’t be voting for Romney?
Are you being sincere and honest?
Running on Reagan’s themes won’t be enough this time. We have a near majority of taxpayers who no longer have a stake in the game and in a general a culture of dependency. Judging by recent surveys, the electorate is incredibly uninformed and the politicians see no benefit to telling them reality, namely that this state of affairs cannot continue. Instead of reigning in our out of control deficit spending the country will likely default in the medium term. Politicians, and the public, will not be able to accept the scale of cuts required and, thankfully, huge tax increases are unlikely to be approved which is one thing the Republicans are good for - strident tax opposition at least until they incrementally cave in the name of bipartisanship.
Romney is just another in a long line of Republican ‘moderates’ who do nothing transformational but continue our long slide into debt, stagnation, and dependency.
When Reagan was running we had a more conservative electorate than the one we have now. Any other country would have modified citizenship laws to include birthright citizenship only for those who at least parent was a citizen. Instead, the majority cowered before the minority and was frightened by being called racists while the real racists were pimping affirmative action. The other minority, businesses, love unlimited immigration in order to depress American wages. The ‘stagnation’ in wages the left complains about, particularly for the least skilled, is a direct result of our immigration policies. We have had a demographic tsunami of third world socialists who are allowed to stay in the country and whose children vote. Ultimately, the illegals will join their legal children as voters when they reach critical mass and have sufficiently changed the views of society at large. It’s not far off considering all the other social garbage which has occurred. America has changed a lot in the last 30 years and not in a good way. These videos of Obama will do nothing to hurt his prospects either since ‘minority’ racism is okay, it’s standing up for ones rights in the public’s view.
If Reagan had this voter base, the tea party, the post Gingrich legislative branch to work with, all the Republican Governors, conservative females, like Palin, and Martinez of New Mexico, talk radio, Fox, conservative internet.
Reagan could be so much more conservative than he was when he was trying to create an America that would eventually lead to all of this.
Reagan had to be the planter, today, he would be harvesting crops that we cannot imagine.
I am on on the same page as you in much of what you said, but we have a conservative core today, that wasn’t there in the 1960s and 1970s, our 40 to 80 year olds today are a true conservative force, while they were liberal in that ugly past.
What an utterly meaningless comparison.
Romney will get fewer EVs than McCain. Count on it.
I know little about him. But, he’s a decent man, and not Barack Obama. That’s sufficient for me this year.
Santorum is my man, and I haven’t given up yet. But, I think a Romney-Santorum ticket is likely, appealing, and makes electoral sense.
“Politically speaking, Romney is just another version of Obama.”
For the reasons I state in my post, I think that goes too far.
I don’t expect President Romney will be a President Palin, President Bachmann, or President Santorum. But, I expect with sufficient heat put on him, he’ll do the right thing.
I also think he won’t be proactive in doing the wrong thing in gargantuan proportions, like BO does.
“Are you being sincere and honest?”
Pretty much always, when I’m not being sarcastic. And, I’m not being sarcastic now.
I’ve been sporadic in my participation, and never heavy. I try to stay out of the daily vortex for my own peace of mind.
My apologies, but I don’t know your opinions.
I know that there is great opposition to MR on FR, and something of the many understandable reasons for it. I also know that Jim Robinson endorsed Newt before South Carolina.
That notwithstanding, Mary Ann Glendon and Jay Sekalow endorsed him, which means that despite his flip-flops, something about him is pro-life. George Bush the 1st was a board member of his local Planned Parenthood, but was a great pro-life litigating President. MR can grow.
This election, I’d even vote for John McCain or Bob Dole. Noman would rather spend his energy blasting a RINO for being a reed in the Leftist gale, than trying to point out the obvious about a Leftist revolutionary.
I’m rooting for Santorum, but preparing for any of them. I’d even support Ron Paul, who I find obnoxious, whiny, simplistic, non-practical and alarmingly naive.
The bond market will supply the dose of reality that the media occults. The Fed won’t let it happen before the election. But the reckoning will come as sure as God made little green apples. Then you’ll see the inner conservative come out of even the most sedated independent.
We all know that the way we’re going is unsustainable. The electorate must be reminded, and educated on the evils of high taxes as the solution to entitlement expansion and burgeoning government debt.
It must also be educated as to the connection between Statism and the culture of death. The ObamaCare-HHS mandate is a prime example.
Romney may not be the nominee.
And, if he is the nominee and picks a solid conservative VP, he’ll get help where he’s weak.
He will do much better than McCain because of what’s transpired over the past four years. BO is farther Left, and has governed farther Left, than the hope and change believers expected. It’s hitting them in the wallet, and shocking them out of their stupor.
People must be reminded that they, and average Americans, are not better off than they were four years ago, and are likely to be much worse off given another four years of BO & Co.
Yes, Romney is likely to be the nominee, and I certainly do hope he can beat Obama, because if he can’t, America is done.
You just avoided FR for the last 5 years?
The years when you could have been fighting for Romney and reading our information telling you why he is the most radical liberal to have ever risen this high in the GOP?
Now you want to start all over, from scratch?
Because he is a pale Obama but without the charismatic sing song preacher voice.
“You just avoided FR for the last 5 years?”
Avoid isn’t the word I’d use. I have long dormant periods. I spent most of 2009-2011 trying to understand the financial crisis.
I’ve been somewhat alienated from politics because it’s so deceitful, the media is so tendentiously Liberal, and so few people fight for the cultural issues that I consider paramount.
Had my classmate from Harvard Law not been such a demagogue and dictator, I might not have started blogging and getting reinvigorated about politics.
Tell me where to look and I’ll dig the stuff out.
Liberal or not, I’d rather fight against Mitt and a Republican Congress for not living up to its promise than I would with Barack and a Democratic Congress for living down to theirs.
In any event, I’m praying for Santorum and haven’t yet thrown in the towel.
Will he fight to repeal ObamaCare?
Will he fight to repeal or modify Dodd-Frank?
Will he lower taxes?
Can he be beaten back if he attempts to introduce a VAT?
If the answer to any of those questions is yes, he’s acceptable to me when push comes to shove.
Will he fight to repeal or modify Dodd-Frank?
Will he lower taxes?
Can he be beaten back if he attempts to introduce a VAT?
If the answer to any of those questions is yes, hes acceptable to me when push comes to shove.
He is acceptable to those of you who favor:
Fees for everything imaginable.
Lying yankee douche bags.
That about cover it for you ya principle-less, spineless, moral lacking liberal tub of goo?
Possible Romneybot Zot bait.
“That about cover it for you ya principle-less, spineless, moral lacking liberal tub of goo? “
Do you mean me?
Read any post on my blog, and tell me you don’t feel like a fool: NomanSays.blogspot.com.
First you are pimping liberal Romney on a conservative site and then you try to pimp a MySpace page?
Before you make a bigger idiot of yourself I am a straight married man and I’m not interested in other women much less men.
I notice that you couldn’t refute anything in my post; that all you could do is try to pimp a stupid blog. You do know that a blog is just you talking to yourself on the Internet while drinking a bottle of Ripple instead of sitting in an alley verbally talking to yourself with a bottle of Ripple?
They seem to like Romney just fine over at DU, maybe you should trot back over there.
Here is a thread that gives you an idea of how Romney is thought of here. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2725798/posts
As far as the specific exposures, and revelations, of Romney’s positions and politics, we covered those in such detail and so frequently during the last five years, especially in 2007 and 2008, when we had a lot of Mormons and Romney/Giuliani types here that there is a ton of material on FR, we even have a Fact file here, but easily finding it all is another question.
We used to respond to any Romney defense with a massive dose of detailed, well sourced video and information, but many of us grew tired of doing that year after year, and usually just do a quick dismissal now, or a simple summary statement, such as post 2.
Humblegunner, is Eaker a friend of yours?
Glad to see you’re still watching. Have you read any Noman yet?
I never heard of him before this thread.
Have you read any Noman yet?
No, man. It's a blog, ain't it? Why would I read that?
Homeless guys at the public library can write blogs.
Eaker, I pity your wife, unless you are one of those mild-mannered guys who turns into a jerk on the web.
I didn’t try to refute anything you said because you didn’t say anything; you got abusive at what you think you perceive (which is nowhere near the actual case); and because a mad dog cannot be refuted. It should be avoided, and if necessary, beaten.
For my money, you’re not very smart, just an outlandish big-mouth. You’re the kind of guy whose blog would not be worth reading because it would be quicker, and just as edifying, to burp.
Santorum in 2012. Any Republican if not him, because ABB—Anybody But Barack.
“Homeless guys at the public library can write blogs.”
Too true. I like to think you’ve sneaked a peak though.
Keep firing at the impious and pimpish.
I don’t have a blog as I am not an arrogant dumb-ass.
As to the rest blah, blah blah.
You can’t refute what I posted about Romney because you are a weak kneed spineless liberal just like he is. Also if you think you are the first liberal to show up pushing Romney while lying about who you really support you aren’t. While you were on your hiatus at DU a few dozen, now Zotted idiots tried it.
It probably isn’t your choice to go through life as a sad silly little limp wristed liberal but if you can do anything to man up and try to become a conservative it might be worth a shot.
As to beating a mad dog I bet you wet your pants when a poodle barks so I am giving that little tid-bit a big LOL!
I would have loved to support Palin. I hope that Rick Santorum grows into the President I think he can be.
I’m going to have to re-read my post on McGurn’s article, which I don’t think was Romney cheerleading. Maybe I missed something. Perhaps it was his paragraph at the end that I quoted that triggered some of you off?
Santorum is my man too, but I won't vote for that ticket. The base has been shoved to the back of the Republican bus for far too long. Either Rick tops the ticket or I walk. Simple as that.
Eaker, drop dead.
If you have a chance before doing so, grow up, and get some education.
I would feel sorry for you but liberals get what they deserve.
Now run off and update your MySpace page with new pictures of Twit Romney ‘lil fella.
God help America.
I don’t have a MySpace page. That, like everything else you’ve written, is a figment of your imagination. You are one sick puppy.
Most blogs need professional help to reach the status of a MySpace page so actually it was a compliment.
Sort of ............
Romney Romney he’s our man!
No one can flip flop like Romney can!
Go to hell Romney!
Blogspot is a Myspace page.
Any smacktard walking through a wi-fi zone can make a “blog” there.
I’m reasonably certain that you are probably not a smacktard walking through a wi-fi zone.
But you continue to make it difficult to discern your blog from smacktards posting randomly.
Poor li’l thang doesn’t have a chance. :)
Is that why people choose WordPress?
I didn’t know about the MySpace connection. MySpace means Charlie Sheehan’s Anthony Weiner to me.
I’m glad to live in a world that allows everyone to publicize their ideas. In case you hadn’t noticed, the other side controls most of the mainstream outlets. You’ve got to begin somewhere.
I’ll just have to distinguish myself from the smacktard set by the quality of my writing. I’m glad that some people like it.
I’m also glad that of the 2,000+ hits I get per month (humble, I know), 40% of them come from overseas and places that are so remote as to make me shake my head in wonderment. It may be too late to influence America, even FR. But, I can warn people in other countries not to make our mistakes.
If you have some constructive advice about how to distinguish my blog, I’m happy to listen. I like learning, even from non-educators.
Good luck. Writing a blog does little toward that end in my opinion.
Im glad to live in a world that allows everyone to publicize their ideas.
Me too. You'll note I do so right here on Free Republic.
The traffic on FR exceeds that of your average blog by about 687,535,044.08%
If you have some constructive advice about how to distinguish my blog, Im happy to listen.
Ditch the blog. Write on FR. Don't re-direct traffic offsite.
What the hell is the re-direct for? People are reading HERE.
“Write on FR.”
Do you mean vanity posts? Is there some other way?
Editorials under your own name.
Guaranteed more exposure than any blog post.
Link back to a blog if you have that sort of perversion, but there is no need to excerpt your own material.
I normally try to steer clear of thread such as this but your wishing death on a Conservative stalwart here at Free Republic is over the line. I fully realize that "drop dead" is an idiom like "go jump in a lake" but this comes very close to a personal attack.
Eaker, being a good soul and a good sport, may just readily dismiss this. But, if nothing else, telling a FReeper to "drop dead" reflects very poorly on you. That's not much of a surprise since you can evidently tolerate the unabashed liberalism of Mitt Romney.
I also normally try to steer clear of threads such as this, and am usually successful.
Eaker was unusally obtuse, hence the finale. Drop dead is my way of saying that I’ve had enough of his sanctimonious crap, and don’t wish to hear from him anymore. I’m not wishing him dead; I’m wishing him to go away.
I didn’t start there. I ended there after giving him chances to back off and try a different approach. He may be a wonderful fellow. But, I wouldn’t know it because he jumped down my throat from my first introduction to him, and hasn’t stopped accusing me of being what I’m not since then.
He is not a reasonable fellow, and seems capable of neither learning nor explaining himself like an intelligent man. If he’s a conservative stalwart, we’re in big trouble. And, by we, I mean conservatives. He’s behaved like a yahoo, and written like a monkey. I don’t have time to swing on a vine with him or his fellow apes. I’d rather read Curious George to my children.
Your post reeks of liberal hyper-sensitivity, and reminds me of far too many lefties whose response to something they don’t like is “I’m offended.” (I read it to my wife in the voice of Major Cassius Starbuckle from The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence.) As you know from my handle, I’m sick of lefties.
Quoting from The Sweet Smell of Success, “You’re dead son. Go get yourself buried.” My apologies if that offends you.
And it appears that Free Republic is sick of you and your support of the lefty in the GOP field, Mitt Romney. Really now, wishing good FReepers and Constitutional Conservatives dead is never a good idea.
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I wont be voting for Bishop Romney.
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Beyond being just a ‘Bishop’, the man thinks he is a “High Priest after the order of Melchizedek” which means he thinks he is on the same par as Christ.
And, to any nasayers, I can source that.