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Is Your Child a Sufferer . . . Are You?
Jewish World Review ^ | 3/8/2012 | Rabbi Y.Y. Rubinstein

Posted on 03/09/2012 6:22:00 AM PST by Former Fetus

The world of medicine is scared and honestly so am I.

A whole raft of treatments that used to work, for example, anti-biotics, are proving themselves less and less able to deal with bugs that have become resistant and new conditions that appear from time to time.

And it's not just in the world of physical ailments that treatments have started to fail. In the world of psychology too, treatments and therapies that were once believed to offer solutions have not lived up to expectations.

Now parents face a new and potentially graver problem as they attempt to bring up their kids. Like so many such conditions like ADD and ADHD, it is known by its acronym, B.O.Y.

(Excerpt) Read more at jewishworldreview.com ...


TOPICS: Humor; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: boy; discipline; results
I remember when my brother was in middle school, way back in Spain. Any kid talking in class got the tip of his tongue whipped with a belt! I'm not kidding! Needless to say, there weren't many repeat offenders. LOL!
1 posted on 03/09/2012 6:22:01 AM PST by Former Fetus
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To: Former Fetus

More drugs, more beatings, more ridicule, more head-games, more time-outs...
Eventually these boys will start behaving like good little girls, darnit!

/s


2 posted on 03/09/2012 6:32:39 AM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: LearsFool

B.O.Y. problems often accompany L.A.Z.Y. D.A.D. problems.

Dad might in fact be doing a pretty fair job at keeping the family in food and clothes, but they can be starving and naked in attention. The dad who determines that he does not have time from that all important ball game on radio or TV to play with his son will never, ever get that time back.


3 posted on 03/09/2012 6:38:53 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Former Fetus
Like so many such conditions like ADD and ADHD, it is known by its acronym, B.O.Y.

There is a surgical procedure being used today that will cure that.

4 posted on 03/09/2012 6:40:07 AM PST by sonofagun (Some think my cynicism grows with age. I like to think of it as wisdom!)
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To: LearsFool

“The cat’s in the cradle, and the silver spoon”


5 posted on 03/09/2012 6:40:55 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Former Fetus

“B.O.Y stands for Boisterous, Ordinary, Young.”


6 posted on 03/09/2012 6:48:15 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Former Fetus
got the tip of his tongue whipped with a belt! I'm not kidding!

Yep and in China (I think it is China) if you steal you get your hand cut off and there is virtually no theft there.

It may be harsh but it works.

If someone misbehaved, the nuns used to stand us in front of the room holding two books in the air for an entire period. If you let one arm drop, it was another hour. Brutal, yes. Effective, yes.

7 posted on 03/09/2012 6:48:52 AM PST by Bitsy
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To: Bitsy

Natural boyishness is not a crime. It’s the way God made them.

If we keep a puppy shut up in a cage, are we surprised when he whines and barks and pees and poops all over? Do we respond by keeping him in there longer as a punishment? (If we want to “break” him, you bet we do.)

God made both the boy and the puppy, and we need to understand that natural design rather than force them into our artificial model.

But instead our schools are designed to kill the natural energy, creativity, and curiosity God put in boys - and girls. It’s the only way to shape them into useful human resources.


8 posted on 03/09/2012 7:09:02 AM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Dad left the home. Mom left the home. They let daycare and compulsory schooling take the kids out of the home.

It’s an entirely unnatural way to live.


9 posted on 03/09/2012 7:12:12 AM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: Former Fetus

I’m not a coach or anything, but...

In my limited experience working with little boys in LEGO team and doing a skit for the school talent show, I have learned that activity really helps. Teach them something. Send them on a run to the far fence and back. Teach them another thing. Send them out again. (I later learned from the boys that the thing they loved most about talent show practice was the running.)

It may look like nothing is sinking in, whatsoever. Then, when the pressure is on, they focus and make you PROUD. So the other thing boys need is a Reason to do something. A competition, a performance, a big reward. If there’s no Reason, they feel like they may as well just cut up and horse around.

Also, they have an innate sense of fairness and justice. If you think you want to be merciful and cut somebody some slack, it will backfire because the boys will think you are playing favorites or being unfair. They want bright lines and consistency.

I have a friend who uses the quotation “the child is the father of the man.” He’s so right. If we parent kids the way they really should be parented, we become more mature adults in the process.


10 posted on 03/09/2012 7:13:45 AM PST by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: LearsFool

Dad left the home. Mom left the home. They let daycare and compulsory schooling take the kids out of the home.

^^^
Exactly


11 posted on 03/09/2012 7:52:13 AM PST by Bigg Red (Pray for our republic.)
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To: married21

You hit a lot of the points that John Taylor Gatto wrote about in The Underground History of American Education. Think its online free to read now.

Anyways, the Prussian school system is designed to destroy “thinking outside the box” by using peer pressure and humiliation to form “group think”—the one way to think about any issue-—the Marxist, collective, no God way.

It teaches dependence on everything—even going to the bathroom needs permission-—unlike the one room school house and independence and freedom to read and work at your own pace and level—smarter kids worked with older kids—they learned to appreciate all ages.
You never were forced to attend school—just went if you wanted to learn—so if the kids didn’t like the teacher—if the teacher never taught them anything—they never even attended school.

Our most free thinkers and most intellectual ones-—people who don’t conform to public pressure were most likely home-schooled or taught by a tudor like Lincoln and our Founding Fathers. People who never ever were afraid to express their opinions—because they were not conditioned for 12 years to feel humiliated for thinking differently from peers and corrected by a “teacher” to “guide” them to the “correct” relativistic worldview.

All children in public schools prior to Dewey were taught Objective Truth and learned passages from the Bible and strict discipline was always important to the classroom. Not since the Marxists took charge though—now every thing is set up for brainwashing into moral relativism—to destroy the principles of our Constitution-—Natural Rights from God. Kill God—they kill all morality and society collapses. Nietzsche, and even Freud knew that.


12 posted on 03/09/2012 7:58:50 AM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: savagesusie
You hit a lot of the points that John Taylor Gatto wrote about in The Underground History of American Education. Think its online free to read now.

Yes it is.

I am naturally bookish, enjoyed school, and did well in it. I grew up in a stern and harsh-discipline family. And I was an advocate of firm-handed schooling for most of my adult life.

It took a lot to break down the walls and change my mind, but Gatto launches salvo after irresistable salvo. He's longwinded but effective. And I'm so very grateful to him - and to a FReeper whom I can't remember but who several years ago pointed this lurker to Gatto's work.
13 posted on 03/09/2012 8:23:08 AM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: LearsFool
Thanks for that link to the Gatto site! Humphrey, Arkansas School, Circa 1899
14 posted on 03/09/2012 10:25:18 AM PST by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American that a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: savagesusie

“...smarter kids worked with older kids—they learned to appreciate all ages....”

This is why homeschooling in larger families works well too. Even homeshooling that is second rate has no trouble keeping up with government schools in academics.


15 posted on 03/09/2012 10:30:34 AM PST by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American that a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: LearsFool

Preach it, bro.

Few people liked school. But most people insist on subjecting their kids to it, largely because they can’t imagine anything else.

THAT is the power of schooling. It works EXACTLY as intended.


16 posted on 03/09/2012 10:32:44 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: LearsFool

It was probably me-—Gatto is a little all over the place :)—but I appreciated all
the time and effort—research and his analysis.

At first, I didn’t completely agree with him but after studying philosophy and psychology, BK Eakman, I now think he is brilliant.


17 posted on 03/09/2012 10:41:59 AM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: savagesusie; Monterrosa-24; All
For anyone interested in hearing Gatto's case without wading through his expansive "Underground History", you can download MP3s of various interviews and speeches here. I've listened to many of them, and in each one he lays out his case quite thoroughly in a limited time.

Also available is this video on Youtube. He covers a lot of ground in 2 hrs 44 mins!
18 posted on 03/09/2012 11:30:07 AM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: LearsFool

Thank you for the info. I “waded” through his “expansive” underground history—I forced my kids to buy it for me for my birthday 5 years ago. Although it is quite long, I was fascinated by what he had to say. Very enlightened man. I had a “paradigm shift” in my understanding of “education” and I had worked in public schools for a number of years.

I was reading the Bonhoeffer book by Metaxas and when talking of his childhood in Germany, his mother states that she never liked the Prussian school system and never allowed her many kids to go to school until 7 or 8 years of age——so they wouldn’t “break” them.

I have run into many, many sources that have validated the things stated by Gatto and some people, like Mrs. Bonhoeffer understood even back in the early 1900’s —how evil the Prussian type of schools were for destroying individualism and “thinking outside the box”. Creating little socially-molded robots who all think the same exact way—into relativism and godlessness.
Societies perfect for a future Hitler where “Christians” welcomed the removal of crosses, a swastika in its place-—with few exceptions like Bonhoeffer who had parents who dearly protected their minds from the government indoctrination machine.


19 posted on 03/09/2012 1:05:46 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: married21
Teach them something. Send them on a run to the far fence and back. Teach them another thing. Send them out again. (I later learned from the boys that the thing they loved most about talent show practice was the running.)

My son had a teacher like that in k-5. Now that he's a high school junior he is a long distance runner and he's looking at paying his way through college with running scholarships! LOL

20 posted on 03/09/2012 1:08:33 PM PST by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: savagesusie

Most interesting. What is the name of the book you’re referring to, please?


21 posted on 03/09/2012 3:25:19 PM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: savagesusie
Nevermind, I found it, and now it's on my wish list.

I've lately been studying Germany before and during Hitler's rise to power, and seeing many similarities to America and Europe today. And I believe you and Gatto are correct that schooling as we know it prepares the way for tyranny.

What grieves me most about our compulsory schooling is that it robs children of the opportunity to develop into what they could become - it deprives them of "the pursuit of happiness" in its original sense. (Reminds me of the kids in "Indiana Jones & The Temple of Doom".)
22 posted on 03/09/2012 4:49:19 PM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: Former Fetus
When I was in grade school, I could not sit still nor could I pay attention. My teacher put me by a window and told me that I could look out the window and day dream, but I could not disrupt the class.

My grades shot straight up. The problem was that the instruction was too slow and I had to entertain myself. By putting me by the window, I could entertain myself by looking at the action outside the window. Since I was not getting myself into trouble, I paid enough attention to the slow moving class that taking tests became easy.

23 posted on 03/09/2012 6:09:45 PM PST by fini
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To: LearsFool

I’ve worked with children for years and what I have found out makes me livid at the evil of the Billy Ayers types who write the curricula. They literally destroy children and their futures. Bk Eakman and many others have documented this and they are shut out and marginalized so no one listens to them (the Truth). This cruddy curriculum has existed for decades and they rename it to appease parents who are disgusted with their children’s (non) progress.

I loved the Bonhoeffer book—he coined “religionless Christianity” and recognized it in the NYC Riverside Church in 1931 built by John D. Rockefeller who installed the “paster” whom was adored in front page adoration—in Time magazine, etc. (To destroy Christianity from within). Made Bonhoeffer sick—what he was hearing. Same stuff was going on in the 30’s with many of the so-called Christian churches in Germany—which were easy for Hitler to take over. The book documents the church activity in German—and his connections in England, etc. He loved some of the Fundamentalist Black churches in America though.

Similarities to the Weimar Republic and 3rd Reich and America is startling—especially when you read about religion. The “Kill God” group was started in Frankfurt Germany—so they were the first to be swallowed up by the “filth of the Rhine”-—that is what English men called the socialist/Marxists ideology which swept into England and destroyed their classical education.

CS Lewis writes about this ideology in Abolition of Man—the secular humanism that kicks out God and Virtue and replaces it with moral relativism and “tolerance” as the leading Virtue (to destroy any aversion to evil and make Relativism the only reality which always deletes God).


24 posted on 03/10/2012 12:02:28 AM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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