Posted on 03/09/2012 1:01:01 PM PST by Former Fetus
Is a 2-year-old girl really a flight risk? Of course not, unless she's having a temper tantrum.
Colette Vieau and her family were heading home from vacation, when their toddler had a code red melt-down after boarding the plane. Refusing to stay seated and buckled up, and possibly agitating her 3-year-old sister, Vieau's youngest daughter, Natalie, became public enemy number one as the plane crew waited for take off.
"We were holding them down with all of our might, seat belt on. And I said, 'We have them seated. Can we go now?" Colette, a pediatrician, told Rhode Island's NBC 10. "[The flight attendant] said the pilot's made a decision to turn the plane around."
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Definitely not child friendly. There’s always one individual on a flight that is ticked that even one child is on the flight. Those folks will encounter my bad attitude if they open their mouths to me. And my children are well disciplined.
My mother would have handled that situation quickly and single (open) handedly, if you know what I mean. :]
Quiet children tend to find the world friendlier than tantrum children. Which is as it should be, people don’t like grown ups that cause headaches either.
Agree. Things have changed and if you’re not well-mannered you’re apt to find the world treats you the same way, adult or child.
“Since when does overnight accommodations cost $2000?! Seriously I can buy a whole vacation for that.” from the replies.
Guess the hotel didn’t like your kids either.
I had a woman unable to control her child the same way, and she was about to be booted. I suggested the child have one of my kid’s juice boxes. Tantrum ended. Why didn’t she think of that?
No sympathies here. You can’t control your children so that they do not cause headaches for the rest of society, they will turn into arrogant yabbos that feel that everyone else owes them something and deserve only their sneering contempt. I speak from experience, and no, no child I raised has ever been allowed to throw a tantrum of any sort. They may have started to, but they learned very quickly that the results of any such actions brought down upon their heads repercussions far outweighing any momentary glee they might have experienced from their oh-so-unwise actions.
They should have “Kiddie-Parachutes” and jetison the little burgers ...
/ kidding folks ...
My first thot is ‘Day-Care Kids.’ Parents of day-care kids do not always learn how to be parents when they are on their own.
>>>They should have “Kiddie-Parachutes” and jetison the little burgers ...
Give them their own compartment... a kid-hold. Like a baggage hold...
Is flying friendly at all anymore? Not at all. I rarely travel anymore because it is just such a hassle.
Shame, too. I LOVE to fly. There is nothing more relaxing than being in the sky. I get a lot of reading and napping done whilst airborne.
The child’s temper tantrum did not start on the plane. They started long before that and the mother let her getaway with them.
Temper tantrums received a swat across the back of the legs to my kids,abot twice and no more tantrums/
Some kids are smarter and try one in public thinking they cannot be pounished, but get surprised real quick when they do.
If it took too adults to hold the child down AND she was running all over the place the pilot had a no win judment call.
I have been on flights with screaming kids, usually it is their little ears that are bothering them.
this girl seems like a little monster.
My son and his family just got back from Turks and Caicos after a grand vacation with his wife’s family. On the flight home there were the 12 adults along with 2 teenagers and 7 kids 5 and under. They kept those kids as far apart from one another as possible ,on the plane ,with no incidents
My Mom’s was to do a two finger(index &middle) pinch to the nearest part of my anatomy. My brothers and I learn very quickly as she had a Washer-woman’s grip, from hand washing clothes.
I usually only took one to last for years.
I’ve been on one of those flights from hell, with only the MP3 allowing me to retain my sanity for the hour trip from BWI to MHT.
Isn’t the ejection of undisciplined idiots the reason that they have the slides on airliners?
Too, once the disruption has been ejected, shouldn’t the “responsible” adults be sent down to check them?
One can make accomodations for an infant, but for a bratty two year old there is no excuse. It is a manifestation of bad parenting skills, period.
Frankly, in this day and age and all the TSA, DHS and other travel ills, the last thing we need is have to put up with brats that their parents should know how to control. Just because you download a kid and want to travel somewhere doesn't mean you get to make other travelers' lives miserable. The right decision was to throw the family off the plane.
My cousin had a airline stewardess threaten to tie him out on the wing if he didn't shut up. This was in the 70's. Of course he was a spoiled brat so the rest of us just snickered and went back to our coloring books.
Flying has never been “kid-friendly.” It’s not “adult-friendly,” either, as a rule, and hasn’t been in my lifetime. It’s just the fastest way to get a long distance, when you’ve got to.
Welcome to the era of the child-centered home, where parents are creators, groomers, enablers and ultimately hostages to little terrorists 1/5 their size.
We just never gave our toddlers the option of going in that direction.
Kids will do what they get away with. Allow a crying two year old to rule you, and they will rule you with a chubby little iron fist.
If the pilot takes off with kids running wild in the aisles and not seated/buckled in, then the airline faces a massive fine and the pilot gets fired.
I don’t see how the pilot had much choice.
Either hold the entire plane of passengers hostage indefinitely on the tarmac or turn around and drop them off
And according to the article, the mother is a pediatrician!
Problem is, do this today and you risk getting yourself arrested.
Just have the PIC declare the problem child a audio terrorist and have that child arrested, deplane, and given a very long time out. LOL!
I guess Mom never got the Actions have Consequences memo.
She may be willing to put up with Little Darling’s Precious Tantrum.
She does not have the right, however, to subject other adults to Little Darling’s Precious Tantrum.
Some people feel that it is incumbent upon them to inflict their brats on the rest of society. My parents didn’t have that problem nor did I. Things, apparently, have changed. However, if your rearing of children does not include civilizing them, then it is likely they’ll become clients of the criminal justice system.
Then why would you conclude that an airline which removes an *undisciplined* child from a flight is “not child friendly”?
I understand the problems of 3 year olds, but my sympathies are with the people annoyed about the flight's being delayed an hour.
ah so she know better than everyone else...(/s)
No one should be subjected to the tantrums of other peoples’ children. There is no excuse for a pediatrician to let her kids act out in public-none.
A responsible parent would have stopped that tantrum with a few warning words, or a firm swat to the butt-whichever works best.
Airlines are not human friendly, more now than ever.
This reminds me of my flight from Okinawa in 1958 with a 10 yr old boy wearing a copy of his father’s uniform. I finally told him if he didn’t shut up and sit down I was going to pull his pants down and spank the living hell out of him. When he that I wouldn’t dare I got up and he quickly shut up and was quiet for the rest of a very long flight. His mother upon departing thanked me.
No joke: My kid acts up in public, I take them to the nearest restroom and tear their little butt up.
I was just going to post that all I had to do to get my kids in line is to tell them that we were going to the bathroom. They would immediately behave because they knew that they would get a swat in the bathroom. Not that I had to do it. (I can’t even remember if I did do it!) But they knew that I would if they didn’t straighten up.
I once also walked out of a restaurant when my older-ish kids wouldn’t stop bickering. My kids were stunned when we had to get in the car and drive away.
And I remember once they were bickering on a long drive home from vacation. I asked my husband to pull off the freeway into the nearest town and find a bank. I went into the bank and bought each child a roll of quarters. I told the kids that every time they bickered they would give me a quarter. They made it all the way home with close to $10 each :)
Correct. The other day, I had to stand in line and listen to a toddler..well, he wasn't crying, it was more like he was possessed. He was shrieking, screaming, and GROWLING, and he was quite loud. It went on, and on, and on. I ended up with a headache that lasted for hours. And the stupid mother's reaction was to croon, "What's wrong? What's the matter? You're going to have to calm down now." If I had pulled something like that, my mother would have burned my butt up on the spot.
One of my son’s decided to have a temper tantrum and threw himself on the floor next to me in the kitchen, kicking and screaming...I looked at him, got up and left the kitchen and sat in the living room. He got up followed me into the living room, threw himself on the floor kicking and screaming. I got up and went into the family room, he got jup and followed me and repeated his little tantrum...by the time I moved the 5th time, he gave up and quit...its no fun for a kid to be laughed at and then move to another room...My next move was to the bathroom with a locked door and laugh at him from under the door....
I don’t blame this airline or TWA for what happened to you. I sympathize with you and if I was in your position it would be very hard, yes. However, that 1 hour delay would have cost the airlines a lot of money in burnt fuel, airport costs etc. and would have delayed quite a few passengers.
‘58? that kid is 64 years old now :-P
I know why their ears are bothering them too and I know a cheep remedy! Bubble gum! Their ears are building up pressure and chewing on bubble gum gets your ears to “pop” naturally. I take bubble gum when I am going to high elevations or buildings like the Sears tower and have to ride those elevators. It releaves the pressure.
Gee a whole summer out in the country with horses, pigs, goats, a crick (only rich people had creeks) a woods to explore and a dozen of your cousins to run wild with, it was kid heaven on earth. Don't know why he was such a pain in the beginning.
Our Uncle finally finally had to play "Yankee Doodle" on his britches a couple times that summer before he began to behave like a reasonable human.
No food/drink at takeoff
They had to hold the child down with all their might, according to the report.
Uh...there’s more wrong here than just a toddler tantrum. I back Jet Blue. Can you imagine this little one running up and down the aisle the entire flight, the carts in the aisle etc.
As annoying as it can be, I have no problem with kids running amuk in the waiting area. It tuckers them out and gets the adrenlin expended. Then the white noise on the plane will put most to sleep for the flight...
From the Yahoo comments!
And the pilot said “DON’T MAKE ME TURN THIS PLANE AROUND!”
All it took from me or their mom was "the look" and whatever bad behavior was about to happen stopped...even at a early age..
Our secret: We had the unmitigated gall to train our children to behave correctly in public. Yes, they were made to understand what was acceptable behavior in public. We had a list of things you can't do and we expected them to remember and follow them
Back at the house or in the car we would make then understand there are consequences for bad behavior....and it wasn't going to sit in the corner with a "time out"
Their little world was not the center of the universe...
While raising our children we had three golden rules for the kids behavior that would be addressed harshly
1. Lying... absolutely forbidden. Lies are from the pit of hell
2. Raising your hand and striking a sibling. hands are for loving not anger
3. Throwing a temper tantrum
Ok # 3 seems pretty lame compared to #1 and #2....but a temper tantrum is really passive rebellion
Basically, your child is telling you, I am going to make your life hell until I get my way...or get bored trying to manipulate you..
Sorry, I can't live that way...especially with six kids
It was a bad situation. My 3 year old was barely potty trained and that was before the day of pullups. I had flown enough to know that we had a long time between taxiing and reaching cruising altitude and unbuckling the seat belts. She wasn’t going to make it! I called a flight attendant and she told me to take her to the lavatory. It was then that I heard the pilot make an announcement that he was pulling out of line because of 2 passengers who were not in their seats, buckled up. I don’t blame the other passengers, although the walk down the isle back to our seats was a nightmare, but to this day I still think that we would have been back in our seats way before our plane was to take off (there was a long line ahead of us). That’s what made me so upset, there was no common sense used, it was almost like saying “next time you will do different”. Yes, I did! I changed airlines!
I’m sure it was hard on you and if I was in your place I would have done the same. The pilot should have been content with you getting back quickly. your case is not similar to this woman’s at all..
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