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To: WildHighlander57
The British Columbia angle: Now think about those facts,and statements.
48 posted on 03/10/2012 10:45:40 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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Thanks for the info!

Post #18 of the first link has a passenger list from that era.

What we need is an authentic list like this one showing 0 and his mom going from Kenya to wherever in 1961.

Hopefully sheriff Joe has something like this.... his posse didn’t limit their investigation to the u.s. area.

50 posted on 03/10/2012 11:07:38 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: Yosemitest
Thanks 'Yosemitest' for the reference to the 1960 BOAC Timetable, which was given in your COMMENT #41 in the Free Republic thread:

Speculation regarding the possible flight by Ann Dunham with her new baby boy, BHO-II, in mid to late August 1961 from Embakasi Airport, Nairobi to London Airport (North Side)

Based on the April 24, 1960 BOAC schedule (Section: Britain – East & Central Africa) linked below, it is possible, for example, that Ann Dunham and her new baby took BOAC Flight BA162 (Sunday or Wednesday) in August 1961 on a ‘Bristol Britannia Turboprop Aircraft’ which departed Nairobi at 20.30 (GMT +3), made stops in Entebbe, Khartoum, and Rome, and arrived in London at 12.35 (GMT +1) on the next day. Thus, the total flight time was just slightly over 18 hours. Two main meals and a breakfast were served on the flight. Britannia Flight BA160 (Thursday or Saturday), another possibility, did not stop in Entebbe and therefore arrived in London a few hours earlier.

As another possibility, Ann and her newborn son could have taken BOAC Flight BA116 (Monday, Tuesday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday) on a 'de Havilland Comet 4 Jet Aircraft', which departed Nairobi at 3:35 (GMT+3), made stops only in Khartoum and Rome, and arrived in London at 14.15 (GMT+1). The total flight time for this option was just slightly under 13 hours. A breakfast and a main meal were served on the flight. Comet 4 Flight BA122 (Wednesday), another possibility, had the same flight time of slightly under 13 hours.

Image of the BOAC air routes in Africa, published April 24, 1960:

Video: An East African Comet 4 Aircraft Lands at Embakasi Airport in 1963:

Uploaded 3/24/2009 by 'rafflesnh'

Video: A BOAC Britannia Lands at Aden Airport in 1961:

Uploaded by FBCCine 4/29/2007

Video: BOAC Cabin Crew VC10 Advertisement 1960s/70s Uploaded 3/12/2010 by 'koksy':

The ad shown in the video linked below was probably produced in about 1964 when the new BOAC VC10 aircraft was first introduced into the fleet serving Kenya and other locations in Africa. Ann and BHO-II would not have traveled in this aircraft but I think the film does give a good picture of the high level of customer service provided by the BOAC flight crews in the 1960’s. Note the stewardess handling the baby bottle at about the 0.10 mark and then interacting with the new mother and her child at about the 0.32 mark.

Video: Nairobi Embakasi Airport 1963:

Uploaded 3/24/2009 by ‘rafflesnh’

The video linked below shows general aircraft and passenger activity at the Nairobi Embakasi Airport in 1963, two years after the birth of BHO-II in Mombasa, Kenya:

The page linked below shows historical images of the Nairobi Embakasi Airport:

Speculation regarding the possible flight by Ann Dunham with her new baby boy, BHO-II, in August 1961 from London to Vancouver, Canada, prior to their trip to Seattle, Washington where she started attended night school extension classes at the University of Washington in the Fall Semester.

Based on the April 24, 1960 BOAC schedule (Section: Europe - Britain - Ireland - Canada - USA) linked below, it is possible, for example, that Ann Dunham and her new baby son took Trans Canada Flight TC541 (Wednesday) in August 1961 on a Lockheed ‘Super Constellation’ which departed London (North Side) at 17.00 (GMT +1), made stops in Glasgow, Scotland, Winnepeg, Canada, and arrived in Vancouver at 7.40 (GMT -7) on Thursday morning. Thus, the total flight time for the trip was just slightly under 23 hours.

Video: Lockheed L-1049 Breitling Super Constellation Sion Airshow HD:

Uploaded 9/24/2011 by 'valoutnet'

Did Ann Dunham and her newborn son, BHO-II fly back through Vancouver or San Francisco? It now seems we just don't have enough information yet to make an accurate guess.

Note on Page 14 of the below linked INS Records for Barack H. Obama Sr., provided by Heather Smathers, that he lists BOAC as the airline on which he first traveled to the USA from Kenya and that his port of entry was New York City back in 1959 Based on this information, I think it is likely that he would have recommended BOAC as the airline of choice for his wife (?) Ann Dunham to take from Kenya back to the USA following the birth of BHO-II at the CPGH in Mombasa.

I just finished reading the new e-book titled, “A Question of Eligibility” by Jerome R. Corsi and Michael Zullo, which is available on The following are excerpts from Chapter 4, INS Passenger Records: Foreign Flights into Hawaii, page 23:

“To date, investigators have not been able to locate the relevant airline passenger flight manifests for 1961.

In the process of the search however, investigators did locate records of cards the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service required for all passengers – including both U.S. citizens and foreign citizens – to fill out and file with passport control when arriving in Honolulu from a foreign city of origin.

Microfilm records of INS cards for passengers arriving in New York on foreign files in 1961 have been found in the National Archives only recently: consequently these records have not yet been examined.”

Thus, it appears that the missing records for the dates August 1, 1961 through August 7, 1961 inclusive, as reported in the March 1st press conference, are pertinent only to flights arriving in Honolulu. I based my original speculation on the belief that Mr. Zullo’s team had examined the INS card records for passengers arriving anywhere in the USA, not just Honolulu.

I don’t see why Ann and her newborn child would need to fly all the way from London to Honolulu and then take a return flight back to Seattle in time to start fall semester night school extension courses at the University of Washington. Why not just go from London directly to Vancouver and then make the relatively short trip of 141 miles or so to Seattle.

Furthermore, it now seems possible that Ann, instead of flying from London to Vancouver, could also have flown from London to New York, prior to continuing on to San Francisco in mid to late August 1961.

We will just have to wait and see if Mr. Zullo and the Cold Case Posse can obtain any useful information from an examination of those INS cards of passengers arriving in New York before we can get a better picture of just which route Ann and baby BHO-II took from Mombasa back to Seattle.

I still think the BOAC flight from London to Vancouver is the most logical route choice!

55 posted on 03/11/2012 9:37:54 AM PDT by WhizCodger (Katie - Bar the door, then text my reply of "F U" to the NWO!)
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