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To: ClearCase_guy
"The debunking of man made warming disproves the fallacy of AGW that says there exists a mechanism where carbon dioxide in the cooler upper atmosphere exerts any thermal forcing effect on the warmer surface below.

That violates the First AND Second Laws of Thermodynamics. There is no glass roof on the Earth that traps excess heat as it escapes upward and out into space. Remember, the deeper the ocean – the colder the water – and remember that heat rises – it does not fall."

Theodore White explains here

He is absolutely correct

45 posted on 03/11/2012 1:15:21 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Steve Van Doorn
I'm just a dumb schmuck and it's taking me a long time to grasp this point about thermodynamics. The comments I have seen have not really spelled it out in terms simple enough for me to grasp. Here's what I think it going on:

The only real source of heat is the Sun.
The Sun radiates energy which hits the surface of the earth and becomes heat.
Heat at the surface of the earth might be, let's say 90 degrees at a specific spot.
Heat rises, so the heat at the earth's surface rises and some energy becomes transferred to air above the surface. The heat will eventually be radiated off into space when it rises sufficiently.
AGW theory says that CO2 levels in the upper atmosphere form a thermal blanket which traps heat and prevents some of that energy from radiating off into space.
Temperature in the upper atmosphere is not 90 degrees. It's colder than that.
AGW theory says that the CO2 blanket traps the heat miles above the earth's surface, in a sky where the temperature is, let's say, 45 degrees. Maybe prior to Man's intervention the sky temperature might have been 40 degrees, but our nasty CO2 blanket has made this climb to 45 degrees.
AGW theory says that the trapped heat high in the sky then helps to raise the temperature at earth's surface. That unnaturally high air temperature (45 degrees) now causes the surface temperature (which was 90 degrees) to climb to 93 degrees. Voila! Global Warming!!

Is that the sequence which is being claimed?

Because if that is how it's supposed to be working, then I can see that a body at 45 degrees causing a body at 90 degrees to increase in temperature is a definite violation of the Second Law.

Is this the claim? The proof that greenhouse gases are (excuse me) nothing but hot air?

46 posted on 03/11/2012 2:17:24 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("And the public gets what the public wants" -- The Jam)
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