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‘Karma’: $107k plug-in hybrid dies on test track, automaker got $528m US loan guarantee
The Daily Caller ^ | 3-9-12 | David Martosko

Posted on 03/11/2012 4:13:44 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic

The Fisker Karma is a plug-in hybrid car that seems to have everything the rich and famous — and environmentally correct — look for in a set of wheels. Sleek silhouette? Check. Green cred? Check. Six-figure price tag? Check.

Reliable battery? Not so fast.

In a test conducted Wednesday by Consumer Reports magazine, the niche-market $107,850 sports car conked out completely, after a short ride at 65 miles per hour on a Connecticut test track.

“Our Fisker Karma … is super sleek, high-tech — and now it’s broken,” Consumer Reports wrote on its website late Thursday.

“We have owned our car for just a few days; it has less than 200 miles on its odometer … We buy about 80 cars a year and this is the first time in memory that we have had a car that is undriveable before it has finished our check-in process.”

(Excerpt) Read more at dailycaller.com ...


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KEYWORDS: consumerreports; consumers; electric; electriccar; fisker; greenenergy; hybridcar; michigan

Karma: This $107,850 plug-in hybrid Fisker Karma had to be towed back to the dealership after a test driver couldn’t start it following a brief drive on a test track (YouTube / Consumer Reports)

1 posted on 03/11/2012 4:13:55 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

It’s like tossing money into a bonfire.

Until they work out the battery problem, these things are just not going to work.

Its like my battery powered drill at home.
It’s great not to have to lug around a cord, but every time I go to use it the battery needs charging , it gets me half way through a job and it quits and the battery stops taking a charge after a year. The drill is like new and I have to buy a new battery which costs as much as a new drill.

I have bought about 5 of the things and tossed them in the trash when the battery dies.


2 posted on 03/11/2012 4:20:58 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Bad Karma, bad. Poetic, isn’t it?


3 posted on 03/11/2012 4:27:54 AM PDT by SueRae (Tale of 2 Towers - First, Isengaard (GOP-e), then, the Tower of Sauron on 11.06.2012)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

The only reason the rich and famous have them is that they were given to them for free.


4 posted on 03/11/2012 4:31:20 AM PDT by KingNo155
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To: Venturer
It’s like tossing money into a bonfire.

Sometimes literally.

When you think about it, they're lucky. It could have burst into flames.

5 posted on 03/11/2012 4:43:42 AM PDT by MAexile (Bats left, votes right)
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To: MAexile

The sad thing about these electric vehicles is that the nobama nincompoops are shoiveling tax-payer money into these things so as to make their friends richer. All of these criminals should be in jail and waterboarded to find out why they are so ignorant.


6 posted on 03/11/2012 5:06:19 AM PDT by hal ogen (1st Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

But, but, but ... its the thought that counts, plus all of our watermelon friends get a piece of the action.


7 posted on 03/11/2012 5:11:37 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Well, at 108k...They will now include a flatbed hauler for 15k more. “Your welcome auto buyer”.


8 posted on 03/11/2012 5:14:05 AM PDT by NCDave (AKA, "That idiot over there")
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Saw one of these on the road in Radnor, PA several weeks ago. It does look nice
9 posted on 03/11/2012 5:20:27 AM PDT by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

It’s all so unnecessary. If karma is real then it’s only fitting that it fails. What’s not fitting is that people involved in the scam are getting rich.


10 posted on 03/11/2012 5:24:20 AM PDT by equaviator
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To: afraidfortherepublic
All that pretty sheet metal and paint power by a Chinese build starter motor, what could go wrong.
11 posted on 03/11/2012 5:25:12 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: SueRae
Bad Karma, bad. Poetic, isn’t it?

That was the cheesy name they gave one of the cars on the equally cheesy "Fast and Furious" part of the Universal Studios Hollywood Tour.


12 posted on 03/11/2012 5:29:44 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Spoiler Alert! The secret to Terra Nova: THEY ARE ALL DEAD!!!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Silly question:
If an Electric Car's battery goes dead can you jump start it from another Electric Car?
Or, can it be jump started at all?
I ask because I've never seen this mentioned or addressed.

And, we just had to call AAA on Monday to get our daughter's car started. She needed a new battery which they brought with them and put in faster than the speed of light or ----- faster than a Fisker Karma on a test drive :-)

AAA and all auto clubs will be doing a lot of towing the more of these Clown Cars hit the road. Not to mention Ambulances when these things get crushed like a soda can from what was an old 'fender bender'. (And if it's hit by a Semi all they'll need are shovels.)

13 posted on 03/11/2012 5:29:59 AM PDT by Condor51 (Yo Hoffa, so you want to 'take out conservatives'. Well okay Jr - I'm your Huckleberry)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Algore strikes again. Good job, Al.
14 posted on 03/11/2012 5:37:04 AM PDT by JPG (Hold on tight; rough road ahead.)
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To: Condor51

“If an Electric Car’s battery goes dead can you jump start it from another Electric Car?”

Not in the sense that a gasoline engine can be jumped. The jump only provides enought energy to get the gasoline engine started. Once it’s started, it runs on gasoline.

An electric car runs on the energy stored in it’s on board battery. The reason it won’t start is the battery is completely discharged, ie, no energy.

I guess you could look at the charging station as some sort of a jump start but you’ve got to remained hooked to the station for a long enough time to recharge the battery.


15 posted on 03/11/2012 6:25:40 AM PDT by DugwayDuke
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To: SueRae

“Bad Karma, bad. Poetic, isn’t it?”

My thinking is when they named this car, they were all on “shrooms”. n/s


16 posted on 03/11/2012 6:29:28 AM PDT by cameraeye (A happy kaffir!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
LOL... This is hilarious.

What I would like to know is how much it costs to recharge the batteries on these hybrids? Are they plugged into 110 outlets or 220? Does one need to install a 3-phase product in their garage to plug the piece of crap into? How much does one's electric bill go up?...

I still haven't heard what happens to the junk batteries from these rolling piles of junk.

Anyone?

17 posted on 03/11/2012 6:32:54 AM PDT by Whats-wrong-with-the-truth (Romney... Just put the (D) behind your name and be done with it.)
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To: Venturer
I have two of the discontinued 14v 'fat' battery version, and an 18v beast that's surely heavier than the one pictured below.
Each came w/2 batts + 30min charger + case.
All three are still going strong in a pro shop after 6 years and, if needed, Bosch customer service is outstanding.
Here's one of their current offerings:


18 posted on 03/11/2012 6:36:48 AM PDT by tomkat (FU.baraq)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

It’s a beautiful car, as well it should be at that price. I won’t celebrate a test failure, will note that CR isn’t the most pro-car publication in the world and is in fact rather dour, and that there is nothing controversial at all about a hybrid gas-electric system. They’ve worked well for going on a decade and do deliver on the promise of improved fuel economy.

I hope Fisker recovers from this and goes on to a grand, successful future.


19 posted on 03/11/2012 6:37:20 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Their dogma ran over their Karma.


20 posted on 03/11/2012 6:39:21 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Occasionally, when I am in traffic, I see a woman driving a car which has bumper stickers saying she is a witch/wiccan or some such and one that reads, “My Karma ran over Your Dogma”. It seems to me as if Obama’s Bad Karma has run over Obama’s Bad (Envirowacko) Dogma with no help from the outside world.


21 posted on 03/11/2012 7:25:33 AM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel (Romney ruined Massachusetts. Now he wants to ruin the nation.)
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To: DugwayDuke

If it’s a hybrid, does that dead battery also run the conventional electric functions that regular cars take care of? Why can’t a hybrid start from the gas function if the battery is dead?


22 posted on 03/11/2012 7:30:54 AM PDT by rabidralph
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To: RegulatorCountry

I WANT electric vehicles or hybrids to succeed. It IS true, that we can’t go on like this forever. 150 years from now, people will be driving electric vehicles powered from fusion or thorium based power plants or super-efficient solar power systems, or they will be walking and foraging from area to area. The RIGHT way for the government to promote this is by putting money into basic research and science, not in funding manufacturing plants for cronies that produce products that just don’t work very well.

It’s annoying that the EPA won’t let the best possible hybrid system, diesel-electric (ask people who build and use locomotives), operate here. They do in Europe.


23 posted on 03/11/2012 7:54:00 AM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Confucius say man who buy Karma car get goes-around comes-around run-around.


24 posted on 03/11/2012 8:01:31 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (`Karma` backwards is ``am wreck ``?? Who knew?)
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To: Venturer

I am a builder, so i use power tools a lot.

How many battery operated tools do I use now?

NONE.

Problem? The batteries. They die. They lose power. They don’t hold a charge. Charge it. Use it a week later? Good Luck.

I used to keep the 3/8 chord drill as backup for the battery operated “screw guns.” Not any more. They are the primary now. The cordless tools are for very light duty jobs like removing screws from electric cover plates.

Now, here is a difference. These tools were not promoted by any government program that I am aware of. They were well received and sold well. They still do, judging from the multitudes of offerings. But now, those of us who really do the work, and lots of it, use the old fashion chord tools. Power and reliability have won. but, will the government ban chords? maybe, when their fund raisers start companies that want to replace chords with green goo.

Home owners with small jobs can buy the 5 tool 18 volt ion razzle dazzle sets. I use power.


25 posted on 03/11/2012 8:54:58 AM PDT by kralcmot (my tagline died with Terri)
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To: Condor51; DugwayDuke

Another way to see this question.

You are driving across the vast soybean fields of Central Illinois in you hybrid.
You run out of gas but continue on the battery until it runs out.

A friendly farmer brings some gasoline.
Will it spin the starter motor?


26 posted on 03/11/2012 9:19:09 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (The best is the enemy of the good!)
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To: KingNo155

Let’s test the electric cars on Highway 50 across Nevada. There’s nothing between Fallon and Ely except one small service station and a sign that reads “Next services 187 miles!”

Or what about Interstate 10 between El Paso and San Antonia—nothing but sand and scrub brush for 400 miles.


27 posted on 03/11/2012 9:30:22 AM PDT by jayrunner
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To: Venturer

“Its like my battery powered drill at home.”

You need to throw away whatever you have and buy one of the new M12 or M18 Milwaukee’s They are in a class by themselves. I won’t ever buy another corded tool again if I can get a cordless of the same type from Milwaukee!


28 posted on 03/11/2012 9:42:59 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Maybe it can be recycled.


29 posted on 03/11/2012 9:51:37 AM PDT by BinaryBoy (Anyone But Romney)
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To: jayrunner

I know those areas well, I was an over the road trailer puller for many years.


30 posted on 03/11/2012 10:07:23 AM PDT by KingNo155
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To: The Antiyuppie

I below people will still be discussing peak oil 150 years from now.


31 posted on 03/11/2012 11:01:20 AM PDT by fastkelly
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To: fastkelly

Below=believe


32 posted on 03/11/2012 11:03:38 AM PDT by fastkelly
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To: The Antiyuppie

ALL of the wasted money for these “new batteries” should have gone to perfectng fuel—cells....as they COULD become the “dream power” source——with a little more work.

Basically fueled JUST like a gas car.

No real “range limit” since one could get more “fuel” whenever the “fuel tank” (methanol, most likely) gets low.

Since a fuel—cell does not “store anything”, but makes it “on the fly”,(from air and a hydrogen-rich fuel source), there is not as much as an explosion risk.

All one would need in a 50kw/h. or so fuel—cell, fueled by maybe 10 gallons for methanol, maybe a 5kw/h lithium battery pack for acceleration good enough for maybe 8 miles flat—out or so(since the fuel cell could not(at this time anyway),provide “surge power”) with a 200HP. or so motor in as 3000Lb car—THAT might be NICE!!

Fuel cells are the answer...IMHO.


33 posted on 03/11/2012 11:31:46 AM PDT by Rca2000 ( Most Americans know more about "American idol" than about the american FLAG...)
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To: afraidfortherepublic; Revolting cat!; Slings and Arrows

How long was the extension cord for this plug-in electric car?


34 posted on 03/11/2012 11:34:13 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Barack Obama continued to sponsor Jeremiah Wright after he said "G.D. AMERIKKA!"Where's the outrage?)
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To: kralcmot

I have the DeWalt 14.4 volt and 3 dead batteries, I just had one battery rebuilt for $34.00, I don’t believe I have ever finished a job without changing batteries. Like you I have pretty much given up on the battery tools.


35 posted on 03/11/2012 3:25:43 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Condor51

Add the COST of the new battery to your list of questions. My understanding is that a new battery is in the $5000 range. And the cost of a charge. Another question: will employers be required to provide charging stations at work? Who pays for the electricity?


36 posted on 03/11/2012 10:51:44 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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