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Did Stone Age cavemen talk to each other in symbols?
The Observer ^ | Saturday, March 10, 2012 | Robin McKie

Posted on 03/12/2012 9:25:34 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

Not surprisingly, these paintings attract tens of thousands of visitors every year. However, there is another aspect to this art that often escapes attention, but which is now providing scientists with fresh insights into our recent evolution. Instead of studying those magnificent galloping horses and bisons, researchers are investigating the symbols painted beside them.

These signs are rarely mentioned in most studies of ancient cave art. Some are gathered in groups, some appear in ones or twos, while others are mixed in with the caves' images of animals. There are triangles, squares, full circles, semicircles, open angles, crosses and groups of dots. Others are more complex: drawings of hands with distorted fingers (known as negative hands); rows of parallel lines (called finger flutings); diagrams of branch-like symbols known as penniforms, or little sketches of hut-like entities called tectiforms. In total, 26 specific signs are used repeatedly in these caves, created in the millennia when Europe descended into -- and emerged from -- the last great Ice Age... the symbols provide clear evidence of the way our ancestors moved from representing ideas realistically -- as in those beautiful images of bisons and mammoths -- to the stage where they began to represent concepts symbolically. In some cases, signs appear to emerge from the use of truncated images of an animal and eventually come to act as a symbol for that animal in its entirety. For example, a wavy line used to depict the back of a horse in a larger painting eventually comes to stand for the entire horse in different sets of paintings.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: epigraphyandlanguage; godsgravesglyphs; marysettegast; platoprehistorian

Subtitle: "Previously overlooked patterns in the cave art of southern France and Spain suggest that man might have learned written communication 25,000 years earlier than we thought".
Some of the symbols found to recur among Palaeolithic cave paintings and other artefacts. Photograph: Genevieve von Petzinger

Did Stone Age cavemen talk to each other in symbols?

1 posted on 03/12/2012 9:25:43 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: SunkenCiv

Do they follow the -45° frequency distribution of language?


2 posted on 03/12/2012 9:31:54 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1147 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: SunkenCiv

3 posted on 03/12/2012 9:37:35 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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In her Plato Prehistorian: 10,000 to 5000 B.C. Myth, Religion, Archaeology, Mary Settegast reproduces a table which shows four runic character sets; a is Upper Paleolithic (found among the cave paintings), b is Indus Valley script, c is Greek (western branch), and d is the Scandinavian runic alphabet.
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4 posted on 03/12/2012 9:40:16 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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5 posted on 03/12/2012 9:40:39 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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To: SunkenCiv
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6 posted on 03/12/2012 9:41:23 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Renfield; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks Renfield.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


7 posted on 03/12/2012 9:41:23 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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To: null and void

Ya stumped me.

Analysis of Letter Frequency Distribution in the Voynich Manuscript
http://csp2011.mimuw.edu.pl/proceedings/PDF/CSP2011250.pdf


8 posted on 03/12/2012 9:43:16 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

And the Bronx only looks/acts like it’s prehistoric. ;’)


9 posted on 03/12/2012 9:47:00 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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To: SunkenCiv
Here's another hand signal.


10 posted on 03/12/2012 9:52:38 AM PDT by bgill (Romney & Obama are both ineligible. A non-NBC GOP prez shuts down all ?s on Obama's admin)
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To: Jack Hydrazine; bgill; blam; Fred Nerks; JoeProBono

finger ogham:
Google

11 posted on 03/12/2012 9:55:43 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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To: SunkenCiv

This article would have particularly interested my Dad. He got irritated with the anthropologists who insisted the petroglyphs found in Arizona were just “doodles” made by ancient Indians. He firmly insisted they were conveying real information to each other.


12 posted on 03/12/2012 10:02:39 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Shaka brah! Just hang loose.


13 posted on 03/12/2012 10:07:15 AM PDT by fish hawk (NAACP = Native Americans Against Corrupt Politicians)
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To: JimSEA
This article would have particularly interested my Dad. He got irritated with the anthropologists who insisted the petroglyphs found in Arizona were just “doodles” made by ancient Indians. He firmly insisted they were conveying real information to each other.

Have you seen David Talbot's "Symbols of an alien sky" videos yet? A lot of those "doodles" were drawings of high-energy plasma discharges that apparently were witnessed worldwide by ancient peoples. Absolutely fascinating videos. You can find them on Youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OH7lrjixaNA

15 posted on 03/12/2012 10:10:55 AM PDT by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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To: Renfield

Thanks!


16 posted on 03/12/2012 10:15:24 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: SunkenCiv
And the Bronx only looks/acts like it’s prehistoric. ;’)

Hey, Hey, Hey. I live in the Bronx.

17 posted on 03/12/2012 10:25:59 AM PDT by JohnG45
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To: SunkenCiv


From the caveman formerly known as Prince.
18 posted on 03/12/2012 10:30:32 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: SunkenCiv

19 posted on 03/12/2012 10:39:49 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas gerit ;-{)
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To: JimSEA

I think your Dad was correct.. they were marking their hood
much as is done nowadays by the denizens of the barrio with their placas.


20 posted on 03/12/2012 10:45:28 AM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: JimSEA

What does your Dad opine on crop circles? Alien doodles or symbols or communication?


21 posted on 03/12/2012 11:05:08 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: SunkenCiv

...and now compared to ancient Hebrew (modern Hebrew actually uses the Aramaic alphabet)

Fascinating that they are all so similar...

22 posted on 03/12/2012 11:09:27 AM PDT by Pharmboy (She turned me into a Newt...)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

My dad passed away before those things were of general interest. He certainly didn’t equate the petroglyphs with gang banger graffiti.


23 posted on 03/12/2012 11:41:09 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: Pharmboy

Looks like Van Halen fans have been around forever.


24 posted on 03/12/2012 12:08:06 PM PDT by To Hell With Poverty (Ephesians 6:12 becomes more real to me with each news cycle.)
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Thanks Pharmboy.

alphabet site:varchive.org
Google

25 posted on 03/12/2012 1:57:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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To: JohnG45

“There’s your [blank]ing canoe!” [/oldpunchline]


26 posted on 03/12/2012 1:59:34 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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To: PetroniusMaximus; JoeProBono; Jack Hydrazine; To Hell With Poverty

:’D


27 posted on 03/12/2012 2:02:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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To: JimSEA; Renfield; RitchieAprile

Thanks!


28 posted on 03/12/2012 2:02:49 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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To: SunkenCiv
cavemen talk to each other in symbols?

They still do...only today they're not as civilized as they were back then.


29 posted on 03/12/2012 2:09:22 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (The only solution to this primary is a shoot out! Last person standing picks the candidate)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Aren’t those guys throwing down a cerebral palsy sign?


30 posted on 03/12/2012 2:21:28 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: SunkenCiv

THey mention that they have these symbols entered into a data base. After weeks of entering recall names into a DB for Verifythe Recall (WI) I can tell you that the prehistoric symbols are easier to read than leftist signatures.


31 posted on 03/12/2012 2:59:19 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

:’)


32 posted on 03/12/2012 4:24:30 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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To: SunkenCiv
Interesting identification of the pictures. Still looking for the meaning.

At the Valley of Fire in south Nevada there is a trail leading to ""The Rat's Tank", a real desert water hole. On the way there are many petroglyphs on both sides of the canyon leading to the tank. There are many signs information signs pointing out these petroglyphs.

Every one of them claim no one has ever been able to decypher them not even contemporary Indians.

". . . she and Nowell have shown that these markings are no mere abstract scribbles but appear to be a code . . ."

Since there has never been a translation or meaning other than "a picture", the caveman/indian must have been writing in code?

Chinese still write in pictures but at least they have memorized some kind of language to go along with it.

Now the Mayans . . .

yitbos

33 posted on 03/12/2012 8:36:38 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: bruinbirdman

I will bet the glyphs say: water, this way; water ahead.

I remember reading somewhere that many of the Australian Aboriginal sacred drawings were maps and *deeds*, mostly to do with the presence and the *ownership* of water sources.


34 posted on 03/12/2012 9:00:10 PM PDT by reformedliberal
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"maps and *deeds*, "

Intresting interpretation.

"This cave is mine." More like "Gilroy was here"?

I know of other petroglyphs next to a small stream near Pine Valley, Utah. A rather remote town north of St. George. "Just passing through, the water's yours. Don't hurt me." Followed by a signature? Gee, maybe I could write a book on deciphering petroglyphs?

In any event, no one claims to be able to translate or "decipher" any of the "codes".

yitbos

35 posted on 03/12/2012 9:29:41 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: SunkenCiv

The extended middle digit seems to be a universal symbolic language which is primitive but still understood worldwide.

It may well have been the starting point of the fatal dustup between Cain and Abel.


36 posted on 03/13/2012 3:23:12 PM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: SunkenCiv
The more things change, the more they stay the same:




37 posted on 03/13/2012 3:29:48 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I'm a slut.)
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To: reformedliberal
I will bet the glyphs say: water, this way; water ahead.

Actually, it says: "Be sure to drink your Ovaltine."

38 posted on 03/13/2012 3:36:47 PM PDT by GreenHornet
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