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Guns&Ammo Review: Arsenal Firearms Introduces Double Barrel Pistol (.45cal)
Guns & Ammo ^ | 3/12/12 | Iain Harrison

Posted on 03/12/2012 1:07:15 PM PDT by LibWhacker

It may come as a surprise to some (and boy, do I feel like a cantankerous old geezer for saying this,) but firearms are a mature technology. We all have to be aware that just because you can do something, doesn’t mean you should”

Following the invention of the double column magazine by Deudonne Saive, there really haven’t been a whole lot of original ideas coming out of the handgun industry for the last 75 years. Yes, I know, underqualified hacks like me will tell you all about the latest whizbang doodad from SHOT show, but in comparison to say, the medical field, it’s really just the refinement of existing technologies and the application of new materials from other industries, combined in many instances with hyperbolic marketing.

Which brings me to the AF2011-A1 double barrel pistol from Arsenal Firearms. If you listen carefully to the video, you can almost hear the dialog in the meeting that lead to it’s creation. ”Hey Franz, we’ve got a couple of spare 1911′s and a MIG welder. Any clue what we can do with them?” Either that, or they hired a recently-graduated business consultant who mistook the South Park underpants gnomes episode as an instruction manual.

According to Aresenal’s site, the AF2011-A1 is the “very first industrial double barrel semiautomatic pistol of all times.” But wait there’s more. They’re claiming that they are making this “true industrial market-ready double barrel .45 caliber pistol” to commemorate the Colt 1911-A1 in the Centenary.

It is offered either with two independent triggers and one sear group or with two triggers permanently joined and the choice of one or two sear groups. You can pick up one of these wunderkinds in mirror finish Deep Blue or with a 3400 Vickers surface hardness White Ash Nitrite coating.

Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have a brilliant idea that involves a couple of Glock 17s and a tube of JB Weld…


TOPICS: Military/Veterans; Outdoors; Sports
KEYWORDS: 45cal; banglist; barrel; double; guns
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1 posted on 03/12/2012 1:07:20 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker
Now if they could just make a 1911 that doesn't jam every 300 rounds...

I'm going to get flamed for that.

2 posted on 03/12/2012 1:10:13 PM PDT by Thane_Banquo
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To: LibWhacker

When is a 1911A not a 1911A?


3 posted on 03/12/2012 1:10:22 PM PDT by Joe the Pimpernel (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to behead anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: LibWhacker

Do the same thing with vice grips.


4 posted on 03/12/2012 1:18:53 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: LibWhacker

I’m thinkin’ this isn’t an inside the waistband type gun, huh?


5 posted on 03/12/2012 1:19:04 PM PDT by Obadiah (We are all Brietbarts now.)
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To: Thane_Banquo

The one John Browning entered in the U.S. Pistol Trials went 6000 rounds without a malfunction of any kind. That included torture testing.

BTW, I agree with the author that a double barreled 1911 is more of a curiosity than a really useful design. Also Deudonne Saive did not invent the double stack magazine as the Savage model 1907 in .32 auto had one.

Of course Saive was a great gun designer, notably for the FN FAL. He worked with John Browning until Browning died.


6 posted on 03/12/2012 1:19:22 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: LibWhacker

What does that bad boy weigh fully loaded ?


7 posted on 03/12/2012 1:20:28 PM PDT by onona (Dicky Betts is one ramblin man !)
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To: Obadiah

And i don’t think I’d be twice as scared staring down two barrels of a .45.....


8 posted on 03/12/2012 1:21:36 PM PDT by onona (Dicky Betts is one ramblin man !)
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To: LibWhacker

Here, hold m’ beer an’ watch this!


9 posted on 03/12/2012 1:22:29 PM PDT by apoxonu
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To: LibWhacker

Looks like someone forgot the basic axiom of pistoleros who carry the 1911: 45 ACP. Because shooting twice is just silly.


10 posted on 03/12/2012 1:22:41 PM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: All

as my grandfather used to say.. just because you can, doesn’t mean you should..


11 posted on 03/12/2012 1:24:51 PM PDT by newnhdad (Soylent green is people..)
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To: LibWhacker

They should do this with the AR-15.


12 posted on 03/12/2012 1:25:15 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Thane_Banquo
Now if they could just make a 1911 that doesn't jam every 300 rounds... I'm going to get flamed for that.

Sometimes the truth hurts. I've never owned a 1911 I really trusted.
13 posted on 03/12/2012 1:25:20 PM PDT by 762X51
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To: yarddog

Yes, I’ve heard Browning’s original design was extremely reliable. Wouldn’t surprise me, since he was an absolute genius. Then modern gun manufacturers decided to “improve” it.

I also wonder how much the predominant shooting style of his era had to do with it: Fire pistol one handed with arm outstretched and locked at the elbow. Makes it nearly impossible to limp-wrist a gun, leading to fewer jams. The modified Weaver stance most of us use today is certainly more accurate, but also more prone to limp-wristing. I had an old NRA instructor tell me he thinks limp-wristing is the primary cause of the 1911’s reputation for jamming.

Personally, I keep an 8-shot S&W 627 in a holster next to my bed, loaded with .357’s, and a couple extra moon clips in my drawer. It doesn’t jam.


14 posted on 03/12/2012 1:27:58 PM PDT by Thane_Banquo
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To: LibWhacker

To me it’s kind of like need ice skates with two blades on each skate. Time to man-up and stay single barrel folks ...


15 posted on 03/12/2012 1:28:23 PM PDT by Scythian
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To: LibWhacker

that is awesome...


16 posted on 03/12/2012 1:28:46 PM PDT by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: LibWhacker
Video of the AF2011 in action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BM-DGaNmtA0

Since the hammers are welded together, you get two shots with one pull of the trigger, classifying this pistol as a machine gun by ATF.

This means it won't be available for sale to civilians in the US. No new machine guns can be added to the registry since 1986.

17 posted on 03/12/2012 1:28:46 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Thane_Banquo

Get a Kimber...


18 posted on 03/12/2012 1:30:21 PM PDT by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: surfer

Kinda makes me bummed I won’t be around in 2111 to see the three barreled model.


19 posted on 03/12/2012 1:35:07 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: LibWhacker

LOL!!! Coming Soon to an Action Movie near you. One in each hand as the hero blasts away with his 200 rounds of .45 each bullet lifting the bad guy off the ground.


20 posted on 03/12/2012 1:35:59 PM PDT by Sudetenland (Anybody but Obama!!!!)
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To: USNBandit

I would love a blunderbuss version that shoots 15 at a time :)


21 posted on 03/12/2012 1:38:55 PM PDT by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: surfer

English colonial types used to carry Howdahs whilst riding elephants, as protection against tiggers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howdah_pistol


22 posted on 03/12/2012 1:46:10 PM PDT by tumblindice ( our new, happy lives)
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To: Scythian

It is really like the technology for photographers that can’t look at their camera after a shot — equivalent to shot exposure bracketing on a digital SLR.


23 posted on 03/12/2012 1:47:06 PM PDT by KC Burke (Newton's New First Law, Repeal and Restore!)
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To: LibWhacker

I am still waiting for the 6-barrel revolving gatlin pistol.


24 posted on 03/12/2012 1:49:53 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Thane_Banquo
It could be that your wrist is not strong enough for a .45 to chamber the following round.

This is not unusual.

Different spring may help, but there's no substitute for a quality firearm.

I NOW A GUY who has a Colt Commander with over 3,000 rounds...not a single failure to feed or fire.

25 posted on 03/12/2012 1:52:17 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: LibWhacker

I’ll probably get flamed for this, but Dieudonne Saive was not the inventor of the double column pistol magazine. It was introduced by the 1907 Savage pistol.


26 posted on 03/12/2012 1:53:40 PM PDT by tanuki (Left-wing Revolution: show biz for boring people.)
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To: onona

‘What does that bad boy weigh fully loaded ?’

Think of it as ballast that reduces recoil.


27 posted on 03/12/2012 2:08:37 PM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: Sudetenland
LOL!!! Coming Soon to an Action Movie near you. One in each hand as the hero blasts away with his 200 rounds of .45 each bullet lifting the bad guy off the ground.


28 posted on 03/12/2012 2:11:06 PM PDT by Malone LaVeigh
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To: LibWhacker

It’s like something you would expect to see if you left teen-aged boys alone in a machine shop with two 1911’s and no supervision.


29 posted on 03/12/2012 2:24:16 PM PDT by jaydee770
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To: LibWhacker

Makes me wonder if this firearm is NFA-restricted because of the ‘More than one round per function of the trigger’ ATF ruling that describes machine guns.


30 posted on 03/12/2012 2:39:42 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: LibWhacker
It looks like the slides, slide together. How does that work with the one that has two triggers and you only fire from the left side? How do you rack only one slide? It does look cool but I like the Sig .45; it does the job like almost all .45s do.

I have small hands so this isn't going to work for me. Whoever mentioned that it will show up in a movie is right.

Yoyo in post 17 says that both slides are welded together. So what good are separate triggers? If you only use one gun, it will rack out the unused ammo in the gun that wasn't fired????

Sudetenland in post 20 is the one who mentioned, coming to an action movie near you.

It would definitely make a great movie prop.

31 posted on 03/12/2012 2:39:42 PM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: LibWhacker

I guess...if you really need more efficiency in your double tap.


32 posted on 03/12/2012 2:43:01 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (Sofa King Mitt Odd Did Obamneycare)
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To: Lx

Would rather have 2 separate ones. Then you can aim in 2 different directions.


33 posted on 03/12/2012 2:47:59 PM PDT by bicyclerepair ( REPLACE D-W-S ! http://www.karenforcongress.com)
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To: Thane_Banquo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqtA84eBmPQ


34 posted on 03/12/2012 2:49:10 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: LibWhacker
They tried this with the P-51 Mustang...


35 posted on 03/12/2012 2:52:48 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: 762X51; Thane_Banquo
"Sometimes the truth hurts. I've never owned a 1911 I really trusted."

Oh give me a break: you get what you pay for. If you buy an original government 1911A1 - Remington Rand or Ithaca - or a real Colt, using good-quality ball ammo and keeo the thing clean and lubricated, they will never let you down. I carried one in combat in crappy conditions and it always worked flawlessly.

Buy the cheapy knockoffs and/or use Brand X ammo, you run into problems.

P.S - Everyone I ever saw shot with the .45 died. Not the same record with other calibers.

36 posted on 03/12/2012 2:59:10 PM PDT by Chainmail
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To: Thane_Banquo

Kimber baby!


37 posted on 03/12/2012 3:06:50 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: 762X51

I’ve never had my 1911 jam when firing “new” ammunition.


38 posted on 03/12/2012 3:10:49 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: LibWhacker; mylife

Never design a weapon at the company Christmas party, the sober guy there will build it then drop it on your desk and say, “Here it is”.


39 posted on 03/12/2012 3:11:17 PM PDT by Springman (Rest In Peace YaYa123 and Bahbah.)
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To: LibWhacker

¿ Why ?


40 posted on 03/12/2012 3:16:30 PM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways a Guero y Guay Lao << >> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona)
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To: Obadiah
I’m thinkin’ this isn’t an inside the waistband type gun, huh?

It's best with a mount.


41 posted on 03/12/2012 3:19:37 PM PDT by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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To: LibWhacker

What did everyone expect after the popularity of “The Judge?”


42 posted on 03/12/2012 3:26:54 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: Thane_Banquo
Now if they could just make a 1911 that doesn't jam every 300 rounds...

Keep it clean and lubed and you will have no problems. I was on a pistol team for the military using "rack" (sloppy) 1911s and never had a single jam.

43 posted on 03/12/2012 3:28:55 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)
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To: LibWhacker

Not sure as to the point of this. A standard .45 will drop a man, no questions asked.

So why pay all that much more for the overkill? Not to mention just how wide the grip is. It looks like there is no way anyone with small hands could even fire it.


44 posted on 03/12/2012 3:36:43 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: LibWhacker

I’ll bet that clearing a jam on that thing is a lot of fun.


45 posted on 03/12/2012 3:39:35 PM PDT by Malone LaVeigh
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To: Obadiah

LOL!


46 posted on 03/12/2012 3:50:56 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: tumblindice

http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?products_id=14019


47 posted on 03/12/2012 3:53:40 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: The KG9 Kid
Makes me wonder if this firearm is NFA-restricted because of the ‘More than one round per function of the trigger’ ATF ruling that describes machine guns.

If you want more than one chunk of lead per trigger pull going downrange, just get a Taurus Judge.

48 posted on 03/12/2012 3:54:08 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: Springman

The only possible use for the thing would be home defense, and shotgun is better!


49 posted on 03/12/2012 3:58:27 PM PDT by mylife
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To: LibWhacker
Here it is in action
50 posted on 03/12/2012 4:11:51 PM PDT by mylife
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