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Train kills reindeer 'like meat grinder': farmer [Swedish high-speed rail]
The Local [Sweden] ^ | 12 Mar 2012 | unattributed

Posted on 03/13/2012 1:38:46 PM PDT by Hunton Peck

A new high-speed railway in northern Sweden has already claimed the lives of 200 reindeer since it opened three months ago, forcing the farm owner to move to safer pastures.

The train line, which runs between Umeå and Lycksele, has been responsible for the deaths of hundreds of reindeer over the last three months, when the unfortunate animals have wandered onto the tracks.

Finding a dead reindeer or one that is injured and needs to be euthanized is a daily occurrence for reindeer owner, Per-Mikael Jonsson, who is forced to put down many injured reindeer fearing that their internal damages may be too severe to survive.

“It’s been the worst winter I’ve experienced in the whole of my life when it comes to reindeer getting hit by trains,” he told SVT.

Jonsson, who is the chairman of the Rans community, has brought up the issue with the train service, Botniatåg AB, but his pleas have fallen on deaf ears.

“This year, they’ve provided a shuttle service from Lycksele and increased the speed of the train so it’s like having a meat grinder that goes past,” Jonsson said to SVT.

As a result, Jonsson is moving the herd further into the mountains early to avoid the perilous rail roads.

Meanwhile, spokespeople for the train company state that they have no intention of changing the service. They currently pay 3,000 kronor ($441) for each reindeer hit; however this is not good enough for Jonsson.

“For my family, this is about a couple hundred thousand kronor that we must go without. We can’t afford to keep sacrificing the herd to the train traffic,” he said.


TOPICS: Agriculture; Outdoors; Pets/Animals; Religion
KEYWORDS: choochoocarnage; environmentalism; reindeer; sweden
There's a WKRP joke in here somewhere...
1 posted on 03/13/2012 1:38:56 PM PDT by Hunton Peck
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To: Hunton Peck

Fence in the track?


2 posted on 03/13/2012 1:41:51 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Hunton Peck

Herd about a hundred of them onto the track and see who wins.


3 posted on 03/13/2012 1:42:07 PM PDT by Joe the Pimpernel (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to behead anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: Hunton Peck

sausage ready......


4 posted on 03/13/2012 1:42:39 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Fence in the track?

Nope. That would block the migration route for... reindeer.

5 posted on 03/13/2012 1:44:26 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: Da Bilge Troll

The braintrust that is the Nevada office of the BLM made tunnels for longhorn sheep to cross a busy route near Hoover dam. Spent millions.

You can guess the result.


6 posted on 03/13/2012 1:47:30 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Hunton Peck

Train vs. Moose.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRYkOamw_Iw

Trains vs. Cows.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5qqaR5PJtk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nihcqsvdZMk&feature=related

Train vs. Tornado!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYubpuIe3cw&feature=related

Semi Tractor Trailer vs. SUV
http://rmirror.net/r/videos/comments/q5hu9/car_accident_nsfl/


7 posted on 03/13/2012 2:12:34 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Hunton Peck

What’s the big deal? I rode MARC in the DC area for over ten years. We bagged our share of deer on the tracks! In fact, one morning the deer got even. It managed to uncouple two cars and put us in the dark, without A/C!

If fact, the rode by NIST in Rockville, MD, has one of the highest deer kills rates, anywhere. Got so bad they talked about birth control measures to reduce the deer population!


8 posted on 03/13/2012 2:16:58 PM PDT by cpa4you (CPA4YOU)
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To: Hunton Peck

More more Christmases, little Johnny.


9 posted on 03/13/2012 2:17:16 PM PDT by bgill (Romney & Obama are both ineligible. A non-NBC GOP prez shuts down all ?s on Obama's admin)
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To: Hunton Peck

Mmmmmm, venison.


10 posted on 03/13/2012 2:20:03 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: dfwgator

I guess little anti-reindeer whistles on top of the train may be worth a shot ,, never worked on my car but ..


11 posted on 03/13/2012 2:31:41 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge
I guess little anti-reindeer whistles on top of the train may be worth a shot ,, never worked on my car but ..

They work for me! I've hit two deer in the last 15 years -- both times when I'd bought new vehicles and forgot to put the whistles on. Many times, I've been driving and have seen deer running across a pasture toward the highway, only to see them stop, look towards me, and run back the other way.

As an aside, down here in the country we've always called them deer horns. I was working in downtown Rochester in the late '90's and mentioned that I was putting deer horns on my new F-150. My co-workers were horrified and I couldn't imagine why. Till I realized they thought I was talking about antlers.

12 posted on 03/13/2012 2:54:01 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: Da Bilge Troll
The system currently used for deciding where reindeer go was imposed on the Sa'ami about two centuries ago.

There's no room in it for trains ~ not even high speed trains.

Best bet is for the Norse to go back home ~ North Africa perhaps? Some place.

13 posted on 03/13/2012 3:05:54 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: cpa4you
You are talking about a very urbanized area ~ where these fellows herd reindeer there are few people.

The fact the Norse felt it necessary to put a highspeed train through the region means they are not yet done forcing the Sa'ami off their land.

The idea is so terribly transparent you can see the hate boiling through.

14 posted on 03/13/2012 3:09:05 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Da Bilge Troll

Yes, fencing railroad track and roads works fine. All you have to do is build wildlife corridors (underpasses & overpasses) in conjunction with the tracks and roads.


15 posted on 03/13/2012 3:17:14 PM PDT by ngat
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To: Norm Lenhart
I saw a deer hit by a semi going 70+ once...

Not pretty.

CC

16 posted on 03/13/2012 3:27:00 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (Q: how did you find America? A: turn left at Greenland)
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To: Celtic Conservative

I was in the passenger seat of a Buick Grand National that hit a deer going about 60-70ish. It was real pretty...in my lap...with pieces of windshield, plastic...

And lots of interesting primary colors. Red for instance. Antlered rats are the bane of the highway.


17 posted on 03/13/2012 4:36:50 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart
Tell Me about it. I live in a rural area that grows nothing but sugar beets and soybeans. I am constantly dodging bambi's extended family during certain times of the year.

CC

18 posted on 03/13/2012 6:14:22 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (Q: how did you find America? A: turn left at Greenland)
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To: Celtic Conservative

When I lived in upstate NY a friend of mine had hit so many over the years that he built a square tube steel baja style bumper. Not a week later he got to try it out. Worked great and no more bodywork bills.

The greenie anti hunters never talk about how many people get maimed/killed by “deerstrike”. There was one woman who lived way out of town at an intersection of 2 highways. No one around but her and she’s feed them to have something to look at. That area had dozens of deer crashes a year. The Troopers kept threatening her with fines/legal action until the greenies got involved. You can also imagine the result of that too.


19 posted on 03/13/2012 6:29:53 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: muawiyah

You’d have a hard time convincing anyone that the line between Martinsburg and Rockville is urban!


20 posted on 03/14/2012 11:31:51 AM PDT by cpa4you (CPA4YOU)
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To: cpa4you

Rockville is the county seat (Courthouse) of Montgomery County MD ~ they have about 1,000,000 people, so if you stretched them out on racks, head to toe, they’d stretch all the way to Martinsburg and back several times, give or take a few cranks. But yes, Rockville is VERY urban. Check here for typical street scenes: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=rockville+md&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=1333&bih=688&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=eudgT6W4OJLisQL277yWCA


21 posted on 03/14/2012 11:48:14 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Norm Lenhart
The way the law works in Sweden reindeer are PROPERTY. They are owned by specific families who use one of 11 Sa'ami languages. They are the only people authorized to own and graze reindeer on large tracts of land called Pieke. You will find most all of them living in the Sapma, or Sa'ami land ~ or Lapland.

There are some wild reindeer further East in Asia, but even there most all of them were reduced to domesticated animal status quite some time ago.

Apparently there are some elements of unfinished business in Sweden. The train seems to have been acceptable for a long time but then some bureaucrat upped the speed limit. If the Sa'ami were more aggressive they'd sue him down to his underwear ~ if they were even more aggressive, e.g. like Samo Heyha in Finland, the Norse would be living back in the Congo.

I suspect this situation will work its way out.

BTW, I was somewhat surprised at the relatively low price the Swedish state is willing to pay for killing a reindeer. They could get much more than that from hunting tourists. Gotta' be a rush going down hill on skis at 65 MPH, rifle in hand, firing at a reindeer staked out so you got any chance at all of hitting it..

22 posted on 03/14/2012 11:56:10 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: HiTech RedNeck
There is NO FENCE in sight anywhere along this electric railroad. It's out in open country ~ running through pieke where Sa'ami have grazing rights.

Interesting conflcit between rich illegal aliens who own a railroad and the natives who just have to put up with their cr*p.

Liberalism hit Sweden long before other places I guess.

23 posted on 03/14/2012 12:05:06 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Hunton Peck

I CAN HAS DASHERBURGER?


24 posted on 03/14/2012 1:07:24 PM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: muawiyah

I lived in both Rockville and Jefferson, Maryland. Not sure what the point is to laying the bodies out end-to-end. Yep, there are lots of people in that part of the world. And, lots of deer, too! Once had one run into me out by Seneca State Park. I stopped when I became aware of the potential for a strike, only to have the stupid animal crash into my driver’s door, anyway!


25 posted on 03/14/2012 1:17:29 PM PDT by cpa4you (CPA4YOU)
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To: cpa4you
Supposed to be something in excess of 60,000 white tailed deer resident in Montgomery County, MD.

NONE OF THEM ARE PROPERTY. They are all wild animals.

In Sweden, all of the Reindeer, a totally different species of animal, are property. These are domesticated animals the train operators are running down.

26 posted on 03/14/2012 7:04:06 PM PDT by muawiyah
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