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Proprietary Linux

Posted on 03/15/2012 6:32:47 PM PDT by TexasSecede79366

I got a really strange call from an old friend regarding "proprietary Linux".

It would seem that AARP is peddling foolproof old people PCs with "proprietary Linux" installed on them.

It seems my friend got handed a brand new laptop courtesy of AARP that the sound doesn't work. (Aww dam' remember the driver wars?)

My question: Has anybody heard of "proprietary Linux".

According to him it can only be fixed online for a fee.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: computertips; linux
What the hell has happened to the Linux community?
1 posted on 03/15/2012 6:32:49 PM PDT by TexasSecede79366
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To: TexasSecede79366

Linux isn’t proprietary, but the distros sure can be. Red Hat.


2 posted on 03/15/2012 6:35:16 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty ("If the past sits in judgment on the present, the future will be lost." --Winston Churchill)
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To: TexasSecede79366

tell him to turn up his hearing aid.


3 posted on 03/15/2012 6:35:24 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (knowledge puffeth; information deludeth.)
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To: TexasSecede79366

Tell AARP to suck a lemon.

They are hated by most people who know what they are.

For their support of ObamaCare they deserve to go out of business. They will never get a dime from me.


4 posted on 03/15/2012 6:39:09 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: TexasSecede79366

Ctrl+Alt+T

home/user> alsamixer


5 posted on 03/15/2012 6:39:33 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Cyber Liberty
Redhat is a good stable distribution. For many businesses it is a good option.

I use Xubuntu 11.04 myself. Extremely stable and I love XFCE user interface.

6 posted on 03/15/2012 6:42:57 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: TexasSecede79366

I’m guessing it’s just a distro (Ubuntu, Mint) with proprietary software.

We would have to know more about which distro and the hardware, but there is probably a user unfriendly (from a n00b’s pov) fix readily available.


7 posted on 03/15/2012 6:42:57 PM PDT by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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To: Texas Fossil

http://www.aarp.org/online-community/forums.action/technology_innovations_deceptive-advertising-magazine

“WOW Computer” - junk equipment for a thousand bucks


8 posted on 03/15/2012 6:44:53 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: TexasSecede79366

Give him a CD with Puppy on it and tell him to do a full install. Should solve the problem.

And yes, distros are proprietary. The kernel isn’t.

http://www.puppylinux.com/

No matter how much a piece of junk they might have given him, Puppy should work. You need a real computer for something like Ubuntu.

http://distrowatch.com/


9 posted on 03/15/2012 6:49:01 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Cyber Liberty
True but there has to be a way to get in the kernel. This is a simple driver problem so why should a 70 yr old be subject to basically extortion.

Linux was never meant for this.

I was a Slacker from 4.6 to 13.1 and this just isn't right by any definition. Maybe Patrick can sue AARP?

10 posted on 03/15/2012 6:50:30 PM PDT by TexasSecede79366 (Soap box,jury box,ballot box,bullet box. Where are we now?)
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To: mvpel

Yep, AARP really sucks.


11 posted on 03/15/2012 6:51:20 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: TexasSecede79366
True but there has to be a way to get in the kernel. This is a simple driver problem so why should a 70 yr old be subject to basically extortion.

Linux was never meant for this.

Agreed. I'm a lot less than 70, and Kernel is beyond me. When I saw AARP was involved, I knew this would go badly.

12 posted on 03/15/2012 6:55:00 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty ("If the past sits in judgment on the present, the future will be lost." --Winston Churchill)
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To: mvpel

That’s it! Garbage from hell and you can’t blame Bill Gates. The perfect commie scam!


13 posted on 03/15/2012 6:56:42 PM PDT by TexasSecede79366 (Soap box,jury box,ballot box,bullet box. Where are we now?)
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To: PAR35

Give him a CD with Puppy on it and tell him to do a full install. Should solve the problem.

does it even have a CD drive ?


14 posted on 03/15/2012 6:59:18 PM PDT by molson209
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To: Cyber Liberty

A phb-ette at an support facility that I worked at and under her (nightmarish experience) told me that I needed to get a license to use Knoppix live discs. This was an experienced and knowlegeable admin. She was also lying, duplicitous, and ugly down to the bone.

I used Knoppix as a data recovery tool when Windoze blew out and to test hardware when Windoze had problems to rule out the hardware. 95% it was Xtra Pathetic.

Another jerk IT manager at certain large electronics companty based in St. Louis who didn’t care for me since he couldn’t lie to me said he would never approve of open office use. He said there was a charge for it but would not approve 8 copies of office for east coast facility people.

We had to share one or two that had office. The loons from St Louis would scream and complain about why things took so long. It was explained more than once on the phone, over live on line meetings with cameras, and more than one visit by senior managment.

They said they would get that changed. They never did and acted like their inspection visits never happened.

Where I am now is a sensibly run place from my viewpoint. Linux is used by some developers. I am a hardware person among other things and use Ubuntu live a lot.


15 posted on 03/15/2012 7:01:03 PM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: TexasSecede79366

Might be so...


16 posted on 03/15/2012 7:01:26 PM PDT by allmost
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To: wally_bert
They said they would get that changed. They never did and acted like their inspection visits never happened.

LMAO! We must work for the same company.

17 posted on 03/15/2012 7:09:33 PM PDT by TexasSecede79366 (Soap box,jury box,ballot box,bullet box. Where are we now?)
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To: TexasSecede79366

As a senior (used to do application programming) who uses an old computer commanded by Fedora 10, this post caught my eye. I ran a ‘Startpage’ search and found an AARP forum article referring to the “WOW” computer (http://www.mywowcomputer.com/), which on closer inspection is not a deal I’d go for - $999 ??? But it looks OK. I suspect the “proprietary” part is simply the push-button style user interface the rig runs. Also, the ad relates that the upgrades are good for the life of the computer. Kinda suspect the company has factored in a “retirement” rate for the elders to mitigate the headaches of keeping a system current. Seniors are an untapped technological gold mine.


18 posted on 03/15/2012 7:14:40 PM PDT by Montana_Sam (Truth lives.)
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To: wally_bert

Mepis on this PC. Love it -now if I can just find a bloody mini-distro somewhat like it that is also Debian based that will run on some older (64 Megs and under) machines, I will be set. Puppy is good, as is Damn Small Linux, but these machines will be for some individuals 60 years young and up that are not computer-knowledgeable so being able to utilize the huge Debian repositories is a major consideration for their creation.


19 posted on 03/15/2012 7:19:16 PM PDT by Utilizer (What does not kill you... -can sometimes damage you QUITE severely.)
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To: molson209

Good point. Thumb drive, then.


20 posted on 03/15/2012 7:20:18 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: molson209

Good point. Thumb drive, then.


21 posted on 03/15/2012 7:20:27 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Montana_Sam

Sam,I’ll dance at your next wedding! That is exactly the rig I was looking for. Thanks!


22 posted on 03/15/2012 7:21:24 PM PDT by TexasSecede79366 (Soap box,jury box,ballot box,bullet box. Where are we now?)
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To: TexasSecede79366
You're being sarcastic, right?

You're not really going to buy that overpriced piece of garbage, are you?

23 posted on 03/15/2012 7:48:02 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopaths.)
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To: TexasSecede79366
The WOW! Computer™ comes with free lifetime Basic Support.

Looks like a fairly basic computer with Linux touchscreen installed and a proprietary user interface.

24 posted on 03/15/2012 8:03:55 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog
-- and the Edsel was a perfectly designed car.

Without going into particulars this is a scam to screw seniors without paying Bill Gates his "gravitas" which is all good except that the dumb jerks that are doing it are clueless about Linux and hardware.

Wull just dam' this always worked in Windhoes.

This is so wrong on so many levels the FBI should be involved but after all,it's AARP

25 posted on 03/15/2012 8:20:50 PM PDT by TexasSecede79366 (Soap box,jury box,ballot box,bullet box. Where are we now?)
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To: TexasSecede79366

That All in One PC is built by the manufacturer MSI .

I bought a MSI branded one running Windows7 for an elderly relative.

You should be able to find the onboard Audio chip pretty easily.
Here is the manufacturer info:

http://www.msi.com/product/aio/Wind-Top-AE2050.html

Windows drivers:
http://www.msi.com/product/aio/Wind-Top-AE2050.html#/?div=Driver&os=All

I think it is this exact model, but all of the line of models have almost exact same motherboard and onboard audio chipset.

You Can buy a copy of Windows 7 Home Premium then install the MSI touchscreen software suite from here:
http://event.msi.com/aio/sw/
The Wind Touch 4 and Easy Viewer software are very nice pieces of software.


26 posted on 03/15/2012 8:38:51 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: Montana_Sam

Here is how to fix your problem (if you can get root access):

http://www.webupd8.org/2010/11/fix-hda-intel-realtek-alc887-no-sound.html

The fix:

Edit /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf:
sudo gedit /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf

And add the following line:
options snd-hda-intel model=generic

Save, reboot (a logout might be enough too) and the sound should work. If this generic fix doesn’t work for you, see THIS post. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=314383

The software suite on the AARP PC is a locked down version of Meego I think.

the PC is manufactured by MSI.

From the Manual for the 2050:
Audio
HDA Codec by Realtek® ALC887
Compliant with Azalia 1.0 specs

Also
MSI released a new BIOS in last month...
http://www.msi.com/product/aio/Wind-Top-AE2050.html#/?div=BIOS


27 posted on 03/15/2012 8:48:14 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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