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Honeybee Deaths Linked to Corn Insecticides
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Posted on 03/16/2012 7:27:42 AM PDT by nuconvert

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1 posted on 03/16/2012 7:27:46 AM PDT by nuconvert
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To: nuconvert

to quote Glenn Beck: “Only the bees know”


2 posted on 03/16/2012 7:29:26 AM PDT by ak267
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To: nuconvert

Have you ever been bit by a dead bee? From “To Have and Have Not”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSgqrrWyF0Y


3 posted on 03/16/2012 7:31:29 AM PDT by JohnnyP
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To: nuconvert

Sounds like an X Files movie.......


4 posted on 03/16/2012 7:32:27 AM PDT by GQuagmire
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To: JohnnyP

About a hundred times.... :-)


5 posted on 03/16/2012 7:35:40 AM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (I declare for Santorum)
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To: nuconvert

This is why we must not buy genetically engineered crops. Monsanto & the Obama Admin are up to some very evil stuff.


6 posted on 03/16/2012 7:36:05 AM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: surroundedbyblue

They sure have messed with things that shouldn’t have been messed with


7 posted on 03/16/2012 7:38:50 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: nuconvert

Monsanto.
Genetically modified food/seeds should be banned.


8 posted on 03/16/2012 7:39:35 AM PDT by sunny48
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To: nuconvert

I’ve been praying for answers to this problem. So much of our food supply depends on these magnificent little workers. Thank God the scientists are getting somewhere with their research.


9 posted on 03/16/2012 7:41:44 AM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (I declare for Santorum)
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To: nuconvert

The dumb kid in the back of the room has a question? Since the seed and the coating is put in the ground and covered up and where it rots and the corn grows up, has someone started a new line of digger honey bees. Do they have little shovels and miner lamps? Has honey got clay in it?


10 posted on 03/16/2012 7:42:00 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: nuconvert

BTTT.


11 posted on 03/16/2012 7:43:05 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romney - Santorum: Twin Sons of Different Mothers...)
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To: nuconvert

Didn’t they already prove that their hive collapse was due to a virus or fungus, or parasite or something? I could have sworn they had made that determiniation years ago now.


12 posted on 03/16/2012 7:44:36 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Lauren BaRecall

Your answer in the next post, but actually what has been killing bees??? Do you want to know, can you stand the truth, http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varroa_destructor


13 posted on 03/16/2012 7:44:56 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: HamiltonJay

Yes, next post, you treat it with http://www.ent.uga.edu/bees/disorders/Terramycin.html


14 posted on 03/16/2012 7:48:50 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: HamiltonJay

“Didn’t they already prove that their hive collapse was due to a virus or fungus, or parasite or something?”

I seem to remember reading that too. But maybe that was just a theory?


15 posted on 03/16/2012 7:49:24 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: nuconvert

Did anyone really ever question but that the culprit would ultimately prove to be Monsanto?


16 posted on 03/16/2012 7:51:27 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: sunny48

It’s not the GMO’s so much as the “why” they GM’d it in the first place.

They made it so that the plant could be saturated in roundup without killing the plant.

Then we eat the roundup. 100 million pounds a year.


17 posted on 03/16/2012 7:53:54 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: nuconvert

Gd created the bee, without whom we could not survive. Man is given the choice: create good or create evil. GMO with insecticides and pesticides is us using Gd’s earth to make evil.


18 posted on 03/16/2012 7:54:06 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: sunny48
These posts about Monsanto are uneducated. These insecticides mentioned are not genetic and in fact, are the opposite of genetic. Corn seeds coasted with this neonicotinoids are allowed in Australia, but not the genetic seeds produced by Monsanto. These insecticides are produced by Bayer of Germany and compete with the genetics. In fact, genetic seed would help eliminate the use of these neonicotinoids.

And this is an old theory, has been around since 2008.

19 posted on 03/16/2012 7:54:41 AM PDT by Aussiebabe
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To: Lauren BaRecall
So much of our food supply depends on these magnificent little workers.

They are magnificent indeed. I have been stung, but still love and respect them. A stingered society is a polite society!

20 posted on 03/16/2012 7:55:03 AM PDT by Lady Lucky (Gingrich 2012: Open Throttle for America)
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To: GQuagmire

It does sound like something from the X-files. I miss that show.


21 posted on 03/16/2012 7:56:29 AM PDT by AtlasStalled
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To: nuconvert

Farm insecticides has been killing bees since they started using insecticides. Back in the 80s if you put your bees on a farm the state would pay you if the bees go poisoned. Don’t know if they still do. Farming needs bees. But farming also kills bees.

I was talking to a bee keeper the other day and he said almond growers in California are bidding on bee keepers to bring their bees to their groves. So, there must be a shortage.


22 posted on 03/16/2012 7:56:32 AM PDT by Terry Mross ( "It happened. And we let it happen. - Peter Griffin, Family Guy)
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To: HamiltonJay
Didn’t they already prove that their hive collapse was due to a virus or fungus, or parasite or something? I could have sworn they had made that determiniation years ago now.

No natural mystery is ever considered truly solved until a solution that blames man is identified.

23 posted on 03/16/2012 8:00:28 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: HamiltonJay; nuconvert

One of the other theories was that it was the Chinese-made hives and replacement parts, that is, the “wrong” plastic, as in toxic-to-bees was used.


24 posted on 03/16/2012 8:02:46 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: org.whodat; HamiltonJay

At first, the news was that scientists suspected a virus, then a parasite, so what you’re saying does not surprise me. What *does* surprise me is this news about an insecticide. The next logical question being....


25 posted on 03/16/2012 8:05:59 AM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (I declare for Santorum)
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To: dead

Now that is true, some people cannot get it in their little heads that your body does not break down food on the DNA level. If it did you would start mooing from drinking cows milk and if you eat a lot of fish you could grow gills. LOL


26 posted on 03/16/2012 8:07:20 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: Aussiebabe

Monsanto is a scourge on global agriculture. It was only reasonable to assume that the problem would be located with them.


27 posted on 03/16/2012 8:11:18 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Lauren BaRecall

All I know is what I read a few years back. My brother has bee hives, we use the same produce for cattle, so I told him to put some in a little sugar water now and then. Since he is still giving me honey , I guess the little things are making it.


28 posted on 03/16/2012 8:11:34 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: Lady Lucky

Actually, honey bees and carpenter bees are quite mild. They have to feel threatened before they’ll sting. Generally, they’ll just go about their business. It’s the yellowjacket wasps you have to watch out for. It seems like they’re spoiling for a fight.


29 posted on 03/16/2012 8:15:59 AM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (I declare for Santorum)
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To: surroundedbyblue
“This is why we must not buy genetically engineered crops. Monsanto & the Obama Admin are up to some very evil stuff.”

This conclusion has zero to do with the scientific finding of this body of work. Coating of seeds as no relationship on whether the seeds are genetically modified or not. Genetic modification is a fair subject for discussion as I am sure it has in previous FR posts but the commercial use of these seed types predates the Obama years by a decade or two. I used the word “radical” solely to distinguish it from the natural selection for desirable traits that farmers have been doing since they planted the first seeds umpteen thousands of years ago (ex. using the healthiest/best yielding plants as seed corn for the next years crop).

30 posted on 03/16/2012 8:19:33 AM PDT by Hootowl99
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To: org.whodat; All
The dumb kid in the back of the room has a question? Since the seed and the coating is put in the ground and covered up and where it rots and the corn grows up, has someone started a new line of digger honey bees. Do they have little shovels and miner lamps? Has honey got clay in it?

Maybe the dumb kid ought to read the article before asking questions.

"According to the new study, neonicotinoid insecticides "are among the most widely used in the world, popular because they kill insects by paralyzing nerves but have lower toxicity for other animals."

Beekeepers immediately observed an increase in die-offs right around the time of corn planting using this particular kind of insecticide.

Pneumatic drilling machines suck the seeds in and spray them with the insecticide to create a coating before they are planted in the ground. Researchers suspected the mass die-offs could have been caused by the particles of insecticide that were released into the air by the machines when the chemicals are sprayed."
31 posted on 03/16/2012 8:20:15 AM PDT by khelus
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To: org.whodat
Some of the newer seed treatments and varieties of corn,soybeans,cotton and rice with B T genetics and chemical tolerances ,,

, would be the same as vaccinating a person against an illness.

32 posted on 03/16/2012 8:20:41 AM PDT by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: Lauren BaRecall

For me the carpenter bees are the really dangerous ones, because they drive me right up the ladder. (Armed with a syringe of DE and a bad attitude!)


33 posted on 03/16/2012 8:21:13 AM PDT by Lady Lucky (Gingrich 2012: Open Throttle for America)
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To: org.whodat

There are multiple threats to honey bees. They’ve just recently discovered another one. A tiny fly lays its eggs inside a bees abdomen. The larva grows there until multiple flys emerge alien like killing it’s host.
I just lost the my 3rd of 3 hives last week. Mine showed signs of starvation though. I thought I had left them enough honey last fall and had even suplemented them a couple weeks ago. But I found a dead hive. Nothing more discouraging than a hive full of dead bees. Now i get to start from square one next month.


34 posted on 03/16/2012 8:21:52 AM PDT by rickomatic
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To: org.whodat

I hope so! I wish you, your brother, and his bees well. :-)


35 posted on 03/16/2012 8:24:44 AM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (I declare for Santorum)
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To: Lady Lucky

Carpenter bees have a different society from honey bees. The male carpenter bees have no stingers, even though it’s their job to protect the females. The males *look* very menacing and fly in all kinds of zig zag ways, or they’ll hover like little helicopters and stare you down. They will not hurt you. The females have stingers, and really have to be bothered for them to sting. One generation will live for only one year.

I try to learn about different creatures so I can deal with them in appropriate ways. The carpenter bees I’ve just left alone.


36 posted on 03/16/2012 8:34:47 AM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (I declare for Santorum)
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To: rickomatic

Is it possible for you to investigate as to the cause of death? This is so sad.


37 posted on 03/16/2012 8:41:40 AM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (I declare for Santorum)
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To: Calvin Locke

“One of the other theories was that it was the Chinese-made hives and replacement parts, that is, the “wrong” plastic, as in toxic-to-bees was used”

That wouldn’t surprise me a bit.


38 posted on 03/16/2012 8:45:43 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Lauren BaRecall
Carpenter bees ... will not hurt you.

Except if they eat my upstairs porch out from under me, or I fall off the ladder while trying to kill them. More than one member of my family has taken their final ride on a stepladder.

39 posted on 03/16/2012 8:49:28 AM PDT by Lady Lucky (Gingrich 2012: Open Throttle for America)
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To: Hootowl99

While you are correct that GE corn’s use predates Obama, it is a well-known fact that Monsanto has close ties to this White House, and that the Administration is paving the way for the widespread approval other GE crops.

While the insecticide has much to do with the kill-off of the bee population, it’s also logical to conclude that crops that self-terminate such as GE corn also wreak havoc on the population of insects such as bees.

You sound as if you see nothing wrong with GMO crops. I suggest you do some more research.


40 posted on 03/16/2012 8:52:08 AM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: nuconvert

wow, that’s a shocker !! NOT !!!!

I was spraying “Seven” on our shrubs this past weekend cause they were absolutely infested with deer ticks, and when reading the label it said it had a devestating effect on honey bees, big warnings.

So, massive quantities of pesticides being used in pharming, no big suprise there. Problem is, some of the corn itself is a pesticide, it is literally in the genes’s of the corn.


41 posted on 03/16/2012 8:55:58 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: nuconvert

If we lose the bees there will be many hungry people.


42 posted on 03/16/2012 8:56:58 AM PDT by Big Horn (Rebuild the GOP to a conservative party)
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To: khelus

ROFLOL, it is anti fungus treatment and the also put it on garden corn, so be careful it may get you.


43 posted on 03/16/2012 9:31:27 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: nuconvert

Imidacloprid is a systemic insecticide which acts as an insect neurotoxin and belongs to a class of chemicals called the neonicotinoids. Neonicotinoids are a class of insecticides which act on the central nervous system of insects with lower toxicity to mammals. Although it is now off patent, the primary manufacturer of this chemical is Bayer CropScience, (part of Bayer AG). German chemical firm Bayer CropScience. The trade names for imidacloprid include Gaucho, Admire, Merit, Advantage, Confidor, Provado, and Winner. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imidacloprid Imidacloprid effects on bees - Industry-sponsored studies appear to be inconsistent with those produced by independent scientists. Even after 18 years of use, regulatory agencies still do not have conclusive data to determine the effects of imidacloprid on bee colonies. [47][48]

In February 2010, the documentary film Nicotine Bees was released. This film analyzes the possible factors contributing to the large bee die-offs worldwide and concludes that the large use of neonicotinoids is the most probable cause of the recent bee die-offs.[49]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imidacloprid_effects_on_bees
Assessment of the Environmental Exposure of Honeybees to Particulate Matter Containing Neonicotinoid Insecticides Coming from Corn Coated Seeds http://pubs.acs.org/action/doSearch?action=search&searchText=Neonicotinoid+Insecticides+&qsSearchArea=searchText&type=within&publication=40025991


44 posted on 03/16/2012 9:32:37 AM PDT by anglian
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To: rickomatic
A tiny fly lays its eggs inside a bees abdomen.

How does this happen?

45 posted on 03/16/2012 9:38:04 AM PDT by Digger (If RINO is your selection then failure is your election)
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To: anglian

List of (70)crop plants pollinated by bees http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_crop_plants_pollinated_by_bees


46 posted on 03/16/2012 9:44:39 AM PDT by anglian
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To: nuconvert

“We are inching our way toward a critical tipping point,” said Steve Ellis, secretary of the National Honey Bee Advisory Board (NHBAB) and a beekeeper for 35 years. Last year he had so many abnormal bee die-offs that he’ll qualify for disaster relief from the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA).

In addition to continued reports of CCD — a still somewhat mysterious phenomenon in which entire bee colonies literally disappear, alien-abduction style, leaving not even their dead bodies behind — bee populations are suffering poor health in general, and experiencing shorter life spans and diminished vitality. And while parasites, pathogens, and habitat loss can deal blows to bee health, research increasingly points to pesticides as the primary culprit.

http://grist.org/food/2012-01-13-honey-bees-problem-nearing-a-critical-point/


47 posted on 03/16/2012 9:48:49 AM PDT by anglian
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To: HamiltonJay

Another theory had to do with the genetically modified corn plant was manufacturing a kind of pesticide and that the honeybees just ‘lost it’ when they reached a certain level of toxicity.

Another case of aiming at a pest and “killing a friendly.”


48 posted on 03/16/2012 9:52:34 AM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: Digger

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/2012/01/03/zombie-fly-parasite-killing-honeybees/


49 posted on 03/16/2012 10:01:17 AM PDT by khelus
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To: nuconvert
Monsanto’s Roundup is Killing Human Kidney Cells

Monsanto's Roundup herbicide found to destroy testosterone, male fertility

50 posted on 03/16/2012 10:11:13 AM PDT by opentalk
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