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(VANITY) Suggestions needed to help a homeless man
Mar. 17th, 2012 | God-fear-republican

Posted on 03/17/2012 12:35:46 PM PDT by God-fear-republican

I recently formed a Catholic Men Bible study for about 4 months. One day a black man walked for half hour in snow and the cold to join us. Since then, Mitt has continued to come. He recently left his mother's house as she went into a mental institution, Mitt has become homeless. He said he did not want to the local homeless shelter because of rules and regulations but the true reason might be because Mitt has felony in his book, therefore, he could not get a job either.He had a drinking problem according to people who knew him.

He has been living on the money we gave him and from bread & soup form Salvation Army. He seems to have a light mental problem, sincerity to avoid the dark side to become a Christian, but we don't know much about him, not sure what to do.

Driving home today the song on the radio goes like this, " Who is your neighbor? Who will bring Jesus to him?"

I don't know much about Mitt, but one thing I know, Mitt needs help.

Options: 1. open my house to shelter him; 2.Establish a shelter for him and those like him who fall through the crack. 3.???

Is there anything our current society can do for those who sincerely repent and want to have a second chance?

Thanks in advance for your inputs.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: help; homeless

1 posted on 03/17/2012 12:35:52 PM PDT by God-fear-republican
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To: God-fear-republican

Call your priest right away.


2 posted on 03/17/2012 12:37:40 PM PDT by sr4402
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To: sr4402

Thanks for a great idea! Our church can establish a poor house like the old times. I think St. John Vianney’s parish once had a poor house which will be staffed by volunteer parishioners. I am going to do some research one the subject.


3 posted on 03/17/2012 12:41:56 PM PDT by God-fear-republican
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To: God-fear-republican
I would take option 2: Establish a shelter for him and those like him who fall through the crack.

If you can afford it, find a warm shelter for him somewhere - talk to your Church and see if he is willing to find work and be rehabilitated.

If I could afford it I would do anything to help these people but with the condition that they try to help themselves. If they keep on drinking or worse and don't at least try to find a job - with your help and the Church help all the way of course - then it's difficult to pull them out of their hell. But I sure would try.
4 posted on 03/17/2012 12:44:49 PM PDT by American Dream 246 (Open your eyes. Freedom is not a one day fight. Enemies of Freedom are legion.)
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To: God-fear-republican
Do not bring him into your house. All you know about him is what he has told you and he could be dangerous.

I would begin with calling Social Services. They have knowledge of resources that could be utilized to help this man, whether it be mental health programs or help with substance abuse or whatever his issue may be.

That way, you would be helping him without possibly putting yourself and your family in danger.

5 posted on 03/17/2012 12:45:08 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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To: God-fear-republican
I worked with homeless veterans for many years. First thing: Clean and sober. If not, no help. There is NOTHING you can do for a drug addict or drunk. I learned this the hard way. You'll be tempted to try, but it WILL NOT WORK until they dry out.
6 posted on 03/17/2012 12:46:09 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: God-fear-republican

Before making a decision, a GREAT question to ask for your own sake might be, “Which of the shelter rules struck you as the last you’d be able to comply with...?”


7 posted on 03/17/2012 12:47:59 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: God-fear-republican

This man most likely has an alcohol or drug problem. WHatever money you are giving is going to that. People do NOT end up under the bridge homeless in the US unless they are a) psychiatrically delusional and refuse help or b)they are drunks or druggies. There are plenty of places that will help him. He can get a job even with a felony on the books. NO shelter would turn him away unless he was drunk or drugged up. He has found himself some folks with a good heart to take money from


8 posted on 03/17/2012 12:51:58 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster

THANK YOU ALL!


9 posted on 03/17/2012 12:56:47 PM PDT by God-fear-republican
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To: God-fear-republican

Funny you should be writing this when I was just talking about the down and out guy I ran into yesterday. In search of the perfect boba milk tea, we found ourselves deep in Little Saigon (Westminster, CA) and upon parking, was approached by a white guy (unusual for about 3 miles in any direction) around 14 years old. The spiel began as usual, “Ma’am, could you spare anything... hungry... etc” when I looked at him and saw such potential in his young dirty face. Deep circles under his eyes, but he wasn’t gaunt. He told me he was 19 when I asked, which made him more of a genuine down-and-out than the fakers we see in our neighborhoods, where their “begging pimps” would take that 19 year old and DEFINITELY have him say he was 14 to get more $.

I asked him how it came to this, and he told me stories of living with his dad who had schizophrenia, trying to get a job, bla bla. I don’t know if any of that was true. But he had a sweet young face, was polite, and met my eyes. So I gave him a big bag of “emergency nuts” that we keep in the car.

I also told him to stay clean and get himself in shape, enough sleep, etc. I told him I saw potential in him, even in acting if he were interested, because he looked so much younger and was the kind of fresh face they tend to cast.

His face has stuck with me. I know the hard truth is he was probably a druggie and all, but it’s a shame to see young people out there whether they chose the wrong path or were dumped there by their elders. I pray he finds his way back into society.


10 posted on 03/17/2012 1:07:38 PM PDT by Yaelle (Santorum 2012)
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To: God-fear-republican

Bum Fights can make him a star.

There is a big market for that stuff on Youtube.


11 posted on 03/17/2012 1:10:27 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: God-fear-republican

>1. open my house to shelter him

No , this is inappropriate unless you know him from before or could perform your own police check, review his hospital/mental health records. Without that you cannot risk yourself or family.This advice applies in all these situations.

There are several or many Bible verses relating to helping your neighbor and the poor. Mathew 25 is my focus to feed the hungry, clothe the naked...etc. It doesnt say to give $$. Moreover, it doesnt say to give money to people with signs. Alot of $$ abuse in this area—too much abuse and scammer stories to detail. This is what churches and relief organizations are all about and their work is supposed to stem the appearance of people with signs.

Basically, I dont give money to people with signs. I help those I notice in supermarket areas who are ill clothed and either themselves or no one has been caring for them. I will buy fast food for those who are standing near a fast food joint and are hungry or begging for money there. I will ask them if they are hungry or the last meal they had, if it adds up, I buy them some food—I dont give money. If they need shoes, I might volunteer for that,etc. But I think about these things before I do them. If they need shoes,etc I’ll go to a Goodwill store etc. to get those items.

Outside of this, I do give to St. Vincent De Paul which in my area offers a range of services to those on the edge and the homeless. In addition I give to the Salvation Army which is excellent in this area(although nowadays they are somewhat tolerant of abortion in their theology), I dont think their $$ are spent in this area, all the same.

So basically I am helping on two fronts. I help those organizations that help them and I help those falling between the cracks. If someone has a thing about religion and cant’ sit in a Salvation Army gospel meeting or something else like pride stands in the way etc, then my money isnt’ good enough for them and they are refusing help but now are on street corners getting no strings attached money for drugs,booze, pay off their cable tv or cell phone while their living in a trailer or a van with a govt check,hidden from the public....not me, not my approval!.


12 posted on 03/17/2012 1:15:11 PM PDT by RBStealth
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To: God-fear-republican

You are a kind man.

In my view, it takes at least as much wisdom as compassion to really help someone. As an earlier poster pointed out - your kindness may simply be enabling them to remain in destructive sin.

I think the first step is to learn all you can about him - particularly if there are addictions or mental issues. Are there other relatives nearby? Is he on public assistance now? Is he “on file” somewhere? Health issues?

All I can say is - maybe a path will become clear after that.


13 posted on 03/17/2012 1:17:56 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: humblegunner

What do you mean?


14 posted on 03/17/2012 1:19:07 PM PDT by God-fear-republican
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To: God-fear-republican

There’s a whole industry around getting drunk bums on video doing crazy stuff.

Dollars for everyone.

Go to Youtube and search “stunt bum” or “bum fights”.


15 posted on 03/17/2012 1:30:39 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: God-fear-republican

People are giving homeless alcoholics money or alcohol, to fight one another, recording a video of it and posting it on YouTube for amusement.

It strikes me as depraved, like tying a firecracker to a cat’s tail and lighting it, only worse.

The poster was likely joking.


16 posted on 03/17/2012 1:36:24 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: GiovannaNicoletta; God-fear-republican

Do not bring him into your house. All you know about him is what he has told you and he could be dangerous.

I would begin with calling Social Services. They have knowledge of resources that could be utilized to help this man, whether it be mental health programs or help with substance abuse or whatever his issue may be.

That way, you would be helping him without possibly putting yourself and your family in danger.

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I so agree. This is how Elizabeth Smart was kidnapped.

Do what Giovanna says. Also see if he can get into a alcohol rehab to kick the habit. Remember however he has to want to. Usually the Salvation Army knows of these organizations and how to help people like this. Sometimes they even give them jobs around the church if they just show up and do it. I’ve seen it.


17 posted on 03/17/2012 1:37:03 PM PDT by Morgana (I only come here to see what happens next. It normally does.)
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To: God-fear-republican

a lot of good good wisdom here already!

It is so sad that there are so many scammers out there.
I would hesitate to get him involved in the “social services” system. I think the government has been doing too much that the church should do. But it is hard dealing with an alcoholic/druggy/thief so protect yourself.


18 posted on 03/17/2012 1:50:31 PM PDT by vanilla swirl (We are the Patrick Henry we have been waiting for!)
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To: humblegunner

Mitt is quite knowledgeable in Scripture.


19 posted on 03/17/2012 2:02:57 PM PDT by God-fear-republican
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To: God-fear-republican

Check and see if there is a Places for People or organization like them anywhere nearby. Here in St. Louis they operate expressly to help people who are homeless and mentally ill/addicted.


20 posted on 03/17/2012 2:07:59 PM PDT by Clintons Are White Trash (Lynn Stewart, Helen Thomas, Rosie ODonnell, Maureen Dowd, Medea Benjamin - The Axis of Ugly)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta; God-fear-republican
I would begin with calling Social Services

Very good advice! Along with calling the local social service office, try Lutheran Social services, or any place that houses the homeless. Even if they can't personally help, they will guide you. I worked for a non profit social service agency, and we kept phone numbers on hand to help these kinds of people. I also did some personal networking to find blankets, furnishings, and etc., for them. Along the way, there sometimes someone who had all the right answers.

21 posted on 03/17/2012 2:13:05 PM PDT by Jaidyn
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

I agree with the part about contacting your county social services agency. They have the resources to help him.

Do not bring him to your house.


22 posted on 03/17/2012 2:18:14 PM PDT by moviefan8
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To: Jaidyn

The Lord’s Hand is all of this, many thanks!


23 posted on 03/17/2012 2:28:30 PM PDT by God-fear-republican
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To: God-fear-republican
About the time he was 2 years old was the last time for easy intervention. At this point, his life is like a massive logjam and the alcohol is used to help him get his mind off his problems. There is no easy solution to what ails him but no solution is possible until he sobers up.
24 posted on 03/17/2012 2:34:45 PM PDT by fso301
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To: God-fear-republican

Get a third party, preferably a private party, preferably through a private charity, to do the following:
1. Background check
2. Credit check
3. You have to get him to agree to see a doctor, preferably a primary care physician, or a mental health counselor. You also have to get him to agree to allow a trusted third party (also a mental health field pro) to have access to his HIPAA medical/mental health records. You either do this or you have to hand this off to the state or a private charity. You, and not you alone, for legal reasons, pick a few people in your study group to make a decision, decide on further action based on the advice of the attending physician and your 2nd opinion doc.

4. Get him a annual physical, pay for it out of pocket.

After you are done healing with his mind and body, start working on his soul.

i.e. A guy with a drinking problem and diabetes needs insulin before the Word.


25 posted on 03/17/2012 2:36:49 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: God-fear-republican; humblegunner

That one can be ignored for most discussions unless you pimp a blog.


26 posted on 03/17/2012 2:44:17 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: God-fear-republican
Opening your house to a stranger is dangerous. Opening your house to a stranger who is mentally unstable, a convicted felon and possibly an alcoholic is a real bad idea. It's nice to help people but don't jeopardize your own safety to do it. Just think about all the people who were hurt or even killed while trying to help someone in need. Stay safe no matter what you do.
27 posted on 03/17/2012 2:48:34 PM PDT by peeps36 (America is being destroyed by filthy traitors in the political establishment)
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To: God-fear-republican

He needs work. Are you near a Goodwill or Salvation Army....


28 posted on 03/17/2012 2:53:41 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: eyedigress

Yes, I will check Goodwill. Mitt been at salvsation army for bread and soup.


29 posted on 03/17/2012 2:56:46 PM PDT by God-fear-republican
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To: God-fear-republican

Goodwill can provide a job for a place to sleep. He must understand that his drinking days are over. Without that understanding, it is pointless.


30 posted on 03/17/2012 3:02:42 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: God-fear-republican

He doesn’t want to use the local shelter because they won’t let him to come in under the influence.

What sort of shelter would you open? One where the residents can be high or drunk?

If he’s not willing to be sober for a night, he is missing step one. Why enable him to stay drunk? This does not help a man, it hurts him.


31 posted on 03/17/2012 3:06:22 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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“Mitt is quite knowledgeable in Scripture.”

I don’t mean to slander Mitt, but Satan also knows the Bible well. Knowledge of the Bible, while impressive, does not mean you are saved.

It sounds like Mitt might lean towards Christianity in some from but is unwilling, some may say unable, to give up alcohol.


32 posted on 03/17/2012 3:09:33 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: humblegunner

Hey...what is the first rule?


33 posted on 03/17/2012 7:59:58 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (I just don't like anything about the President. And I don't think he's a nice guy.)
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To: God-fear-republican

Vet him as if he was going to be your President. Check his story, all of it. Find out if he has friends. If he was living with mom then he should have plenty of friends in his neighborhood to vouch for him.

I have many years of working with the homeless. Do NOT let them into your home, especially if you have a family. Do NOT give them money unless it is done in a dispassionate obedience in the spirit, not from being swayed by a sob-story heart-tug.

There is so much money and help and food and shelter available to aid the truly needy 100 times over. That he will not avail himself of it is a big ol’ red flag.


34 posted on 03/17/2012 8:08:55 PM PDT by JoanVarga ("Yes We Can" It's not just a slogan. It's a threat.)
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To: JoanVarga

Many thanks! I will ask Mitt to lay out his case but trying to do it in a dignifying manner.


35 posted on 03/17/2012 8:18:40 PM PDT by God-fear-republican (Many thanks to all who have given me advice. Incredible outpour! Very touched!)
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