Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

NYT leaks Haney book excerpt: (Tiger)Woods lied, felt racially targeted
The Golf Channel (via NYT) ^ | 3/17/12 | Ryan Ballengee

Posted on 03/17/2012 7:58:05 PM PDT by Baynative

In an excerpt of "The Big Miss" released by the New York Times on Saturday, former Tiger Woods swing coach Hank Haney writes about his perception of Woods as often feeling jilted by the media and his peers.

(Excerpt) Read more at golfchannel.com ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Hobbies; Miscellaneous; Sports
KEYWORDS: golf; haney; tiger
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-52 next last
Haney says Woods has a distaste for the likes of Vijay Singh, Ian Poulter and Sergio Garcia. Woods prefers a more reserved character, according to Haney and collaborator Jaime Diaz. Haney also writes of being afraid to even ask Woods for a popsicle from his refrigerator.

In regard to Phil Mickelson, Haney writes Woods felt his American rival was phony and received more favorable media coverage - perhaps motivated by racial bias.

1 posted on 03/17/2012 7:58:11 PM PDT by Baynative
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: jessduntno; onedoug; cincinnati65; PISANO; IonImplantGuru; Rummyfan; Aussie Dasher; 4woodenboats; ..
GOLF PING

Wow, I'm a bit put off that even the greatest athlete of our era has to play the race card because the press didn't kiss is brooding ass.

Apparently he didn't have much warmth for his wife either.

2 posted on 03/17/2012 8:01:41 PM PDT by Baynative (Please check this out - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFIcZkEzc8I)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Baynative

Of course he was racially targeted, blacks gets all sorts of passes on behavior.


3 posted on 03/17/2012 8:06:26 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Balding_Eagle

I’m sure a lot of golfers resented the TigerWorship (tm) that was everpresent for 6-7 years.


4 posted on 03/17/2012 8:15:14 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Obama: The Dr. Kevorkian of the American economy.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Baynative
his perception of Woods as often feeling jilted by the media and his peers.

*checks calendar to see if it's April 1 yet*

These people cannot be serious. Tiger got the most intense media tongue-bathing of any athlete in history before the Elin golf club incident.

5 posted on 03/17/2012 8:15:46 PM PDT by denydenydeny (The more a system is all about equality in theory the more it's an aristocracy in practice.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Baynative
In regard to Phil Mickelson, Haney writes Woods felt his American rival was phony and received more favorable media coverage - perhaps motivated by racial bias.

Nice cop out. Phil has been always nice to the fans and never cheated on his wife and kids. Tiger has always been a stuck up Diva.

6 posted on 03/17/2012 8:18:10 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Baynative
“greatest athlete of our era”

Not to belittle his skill, but golf is not athletic. It is
in the same category as billiards and bowling.

7 posted on 03/17/2012 8:19:49 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Baynative
Poor, poor Tiger.
8 posted on 03/17/2012 8:20:17 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Baynative

I can’t recall off-hand anyone in the sports world ever getting the positive press coverage that Woods got especially since he is in a sport which is not one of the more popular ones.

Even Rush slobbered all over his ass for a long time.


9 posted on 03/17/2012 8:23:56 PM PDT by yarddog
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Baynative

Buy your own popsicles, Haney, you opportunistic leech.


10 posted on 03/17/2012 8:28:13 PM PDT by marshmallow (.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: OrangeHoof

“I’m sure a lot of golfers resented the TigerWorship (tm) that was everpresent for 6-7 years.”

Obviously. The US has the largest per capita golfer in the world (my PGA handbook says so lOL). Now that Rory McIlroy is # 1 in the world, no American golf nut gives a damn. The last star of the golfing world is Woods and he’s the reason why people tune in.

Now when I talk about “stars” , I don’t talk about “manufactured stars” like say, George Clooney. Like what an agent recently told me here in L.A., “If George Clooney is such a star, how come his movies have been box office flops?” The logic is simple, if you are a movie star, people PAY and watch your movies but in his case like Sean Penn, no one watches them except for liberal morons.


11 posted on 03/17/2012 8:30:05 PM PDT by max americana
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: denydenydeny

As someone who is not a golf fan, I agree. I had nothing but good feelings about the guy, all due to the media portrayal of him. Didn’t feel the same about his dad, though.


12 posted on 03/17/2012 8:38:39 PM PDT by PghBaldy (Obama is afraid if he needs to start a fight with Catholics. He's losing the women vote!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Baynative

Ah, the race card. Here we go.

Tiger toasted his own career with outrageous behavior. That’s his fault and it had nothing to do with “race”.


13 posted on 03/17/2012 8:59:29 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: CrazyIvan
"golf is not athletic. It is in the same category as billiards and bowling."

Either you've never tried to play golf, or you don't know much about athletics.

14 posted on 03/17/2012 9:16:29 PM PDT by Baynative (Please check this out - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFIcZkEzc8I)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Baynative

That’s an age old argument. What is indisputable is that tiger is a selfish, selfcentered,unsympathetic, *sshole.


15 posted on 03/17/2012 10:06:27 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Baynative

The “greatest athlete of our era” keeps his tiny brain in his balls. He is also devoid of humility and is a misogynist. Otherwise he was great at golf but that’s about it. Ok he can be a jackass too. Race? I never noticed that to be an issue. I have zero respect for a guy like that. It’s all about him.


16 posted on 03/17/2012 10:06:27 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Baynative

self ping


17 posted on 03/17/2012 10:26:37 PM PDT by advertising guy (Sarah just jumped..........game on boys.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Baynative

Haney is a punk


18 posted on 03/17/2012 10:28:34 PM PDT by advertising guy (Sarah just jumped..........game on boys.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Baynative
"golf is not athletic. It is in the same category as billiards and bowling."

Either you've never tried to play golf, or you don't know much about athletics.

Golf is athletic? Explain Colt Nost, Tim Herron, the Stadlers, ... . Shall I go on?

Do you think these people could run for a bus? I doubt it.

19 posted on 03/17/2012 10:53:55 PM PDT by JohnG45
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Baynative

Woods is more Asian than black anyway.


20 posted on 03/17/2012 11:45:04 PM PDT by Amberdawn
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: JohnG45; jessduntno; onedoug; cincinnati65; PISANO; IonImplantGuru; Rummyfan; Aussie Dasher; ...
"Golf is athletic? Explain Colt Nost, Tim Herron, the Stadlers, ... . Shall I go on? Do you think these people could run for a bus? I doubt it."

Athletics is not just running. It is hand eye coordination, muscle memory, balance, psychological acuity, mental and physical stamina, heart and the will to win.

The ability to put all of the elements of the complex golf swing into a repeatable motion and adapt it to hundreds of different shots and conditions is much much harder than casual observers think. Then, to do it under extreme pressure conditions in hot, cold, wet or windy conditions where every shot is in a different lie and no two courses are the same while maintaining total concentration for five hours at a time over four days straight is far removed from running where you can when you can and relying on teammates to hold you up.

To all of that is the added difficulty of initiating the shot from a fixed position. There is nothing reactionary or involuntary in golf. Every time a pro golfer tees it up they are playing for their payday. They succeed or go home without a check. No cut contracts and guaranteed salaries don't happen in golf. There is no union and no pension. Any tournament, any injury can be a career ender. Players who do not finish in the top 125 on the money list at the end of the season lose their playing status and must earn their way back via the minor leagues if they want to continue to earn a living.

Every single shot and every putt a tournament player stands over is like 2 out, bottom of the 9th, bases loaded, or 2 points down with two free throws to shoot and no clock left.

On top of it all, it is a game of honor where the player is responsible for protecting the field and must enforce their own penalties.

21 posted on 03/18/2012 6:11:41 AM PDT by Baynative (Please check this out - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFIcZkEzc8I)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Baynative

There are no winners between these two. Haney should be ashamed of himself for revealing personal communications when he was in a contractual relationship with Woods. He’s an opportunist who should never be trusted again. And Woods is clearly a deeply-scarred individual whose personal issues have manifested themselves into an unhealthy view of the world and personal relationships.


22 posted on 03/18/2012 6:17:59 AM PDT by NittanyLion
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NittanyLion

I’ve had mixed emotions since I heard snippets from this book being talked about. You have defined exactly what I’ve been feeling and not able to grasp. Thanks, Dr. Phil.


23 posted on 03/18/2012 6:36:17 AM PDT by Baynative (Please check this out - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFIcZkEzc8I)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: JohnG45

So how many tournaments have these portly gents won lately? Not too many.

Look at some of the guys who are winning: Rory McIlroy, Lee Westwood, Justin Rose. They’ve been going to the gym, and it shows. I could not believe how different Westwood looks this year.


24 posted on 03/18/2012 6:41:48 AM PDT by proxy_user
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Baynative

Good comments - I agree.


25 posted on 03/18/2012 6:49:39 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: Doomonyou
I always thought Mickelson was a phony..my hubby did not agree...I read an artical in a golf magazine it said half of the pro golfers feel the same way....I can always smell a phony :-)
26 posted on 03/18/2012 6:51:46 AM PDT by southphilly (All States should be right to work States)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Baynative
Athletics is not just running. It is hand eye coordination, muscle memory, balance, psychological acuity, mental and physical stamina, heart and the will to win.

So I guess any musician is an athlete using your definition. Puhleese!

27 posted on 03/18/2012 7:07:46 AM PDT by JohnG45
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: proxy_user
So how many tournaments have these portly gents won lately? Not too many.

If you knew anything about professional golf you would be aware that you do not have to win to make a very substantial living.

Take Matt Kuchar as an example. In 2011, he had 0 WINS but he earned $4,233,920.00.

28 posted on 03/18/2012 7:14:26 AM PDT by JohnG45
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: denydenydeny
his perception of Woods as often feeling jilted by the media and his peers.
*checks calendar to see if it's April 1 yet*

These people cannot be serious. Tiger got the most intense media tongue-bathing of any athlete in history before the Elin golf club incident.


You are absolutely correct! I am so tired of watching the “Leghumpers” on the golf channel slobbering over each shot Eldrick makes, no matter how lame.. Having to continually try to make a 30 foot put for birdie tells me that he is a long way from being “back”..now that he is off the juice, he is just another player.
29 posted on 03/18/2012 7:32:55 AM PDT by AFret. ("Charlie don't surf ! ")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Baynative

I am sick to death of the media’s fawning coverage of Woods. The telecasts and “highlights” are: “Tiger on the 6th finds that bunker at the back” and: “Tiger on the 12th, misses that putt and remains 6 back.” Then an occasional diversion: “Meanwhile, our leaders are approaching the 10th”.


30 posted on 03/18/2012 7:34:34 AM PDT by Dilbert56 (Harry Reid, D-Nev.: "We're going to pick up Senate seats as a result of this war.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: JohnG45

But Knost, Herron, and Stadler have been struggling. Knost has never come close to finishing in the top 125, Herron lost his card in 2010 and barely made it back, and Stadler has been right on the edge of losing his card for his entire career, although he doing a little better this year.


31 posted on 03/18/2012 7:36:38 AM PDT by proxy_user
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: Baynative
Phil Mickelson has ten times the character of Tiger Woods. Of course Tiger doesn't like him!

I also love Vijay Singh and Sergio Garcia (before they made him tone down). it was nice to see some excitement in golf!

32 posted on 03/18/2012 7:42:38 AM PDT by CAluvdubya
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: southphilly
Mickelson is a genuine good guy who goes out of his way to promote the sport and extend himself to fans and media alike.

He has become the most sought after and highest paid headliner for fundraisers and corporate outings. That isn't something that works with phoniness. What has he got to be phony about in the first place?

33 posted on 03/18/2012 7:57:02 AM PDT by Baynative (Please check this out - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFIcZkEzc8I)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: proxy_user
But Knost, Herron, and Stadler have been struggling.

In 2011, Colt Knost's earnings were $296,817.00.

In 2011, Tim Herron's earnings were $909,135.00.

In 2011, Craig Stadler's (father -age 59) earnings were $127,383.

In 2011, Kevin Stadler's (the son) earnings were $768,172.00.

Not too shabby, I'd say for players who are "struggling."

34 posted on 03/18/2012 8:00:08 AM PDT by JohnG45
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: Baynative; JohnG45
Since you pinged me...

I've got to side with JohnG45.

Golf is a skill. Shooting is a skill. Archery is a skill.

Athletics is defined as requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina . Golf has the skill, but stamina? Not so much.

35 posted on 03/18/2012 8:53:27 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: Baynative; CrazyIvan
"golf is not athletic. It is in the same category as billiards and bowling."

Either you've never tried to play golf, or you don't know much about athletics.

Heh heh heh ... I was about to say the same thing...these guys who say this isn't a sport somehow can't explain why there aren't more REAL athletes playing for the millions these guys make and more than a handful who are in the top ten. It's like when I hear someone say poker is just luck. Why can't I get them to come to our regular game? Heh heh...

36 posted on 03/18/2012 10:19:30 AM PDT by jessduntno ("Newt Gingrich was part of the Reagan Revolution's Murderers' Row." - Jeffrey Lord, Reagan Admin.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: JohnG45

“Take Matt Kuchar as an example. In 2011, he had 0 WINS but he earned $4,233,920.00.”

So why aren’t there REAL athletes playing and dominating? Millions and millions going begging....hmmmmph. Thanks for the laugh.What a laugh...defeat your own argument.


37 posted on 03/18/2012 10:23:19 AM PDT by jessduntno ("Newt Gingrich was part of the Reagan Revolution's Murderers' Row." - Jeffrey Lord, Reagan Admin.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: jessduntno
So why aren’t there REAL athletes playing and dominating? Millions and millions going begging....hmmmmph

Nothing is stopping them. It is a matter of choice.

Dustin Johnson is supposed to be an accomplished athlete in a few sports but has chosen golf. As skilled as he may be, he continues to suffer from a lack of concentration and so he may never reach his full potential.

Wasn't it Bobby Jones who said, "Golf is played mainly on a six inch course; the space between your ears."

38 posted on 03/18/2012 10:55:48 AM PDT by JohnG45
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: JohnG45

“Nothing is stopping them. It is a matter of choice.”

Good thinking.


39 posted on 03/18/2012 11:49:13 AM PDT by jessduntno ("Newt Gingrich was part of the Reagan Revolution's Murderers' Row." - Jeffrey Lord, Reagan Admin.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: combat_boots

WOW! Now that's a popsicle!!!


40 posted on 03/18/2012 11:54:49 AM PDT by airborne (Paratroopers! Good to the last drop!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Yo-Yo
"Golf has the skill, but stamina? Not so much."

I think you underestimate how much a person's concentration starts to wane under pressure and after 4 or 5 hours on the course. Actually, all the factors of stamina are very much in play. high caliber players take scheduled nutrition and hydrate to maintain both physical repetition and concentration. Because golf is so technically demanding, even minor changes in the set up, the swing, the follow through and especially on the green can take it's toll in a hurry.

As I said before, the weather is also an important factor. The game isn't always played in nice moderate conditions. Playing in the rain with the wind blowing at 20 or 30 mph is extremely demanding as is very hot, or very cold conditions.

When I pinged you it was from an old list I have that probably came from discussions on the US Open or the Masters. I usually assume most people following the game play it too. People who do play and have engaged in money games or tournament play are well aware of the disaster that can come from a tiny mistake like miscalculating yardage or pulling the wrong club. Things like that happen when a person is weary of the weather, playing under pressure of winning for the first time or just making a Friday cut in order to get a paycheck. Being in contention for the first time after round three and being unable to sleep is something that has ruined plenty of Sundays.

There is much more involved in playing at the highest level than just a talent for hitting the ball.

Anyway, regarding that golf ping list. Let me know if you'd like to be deleted.

41 posted on 03/18/2012 1:46:41 PM PDT by Baynative (Please check this out - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFIcZkEzc8I)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: Baynative

All I know is that there is a p___ in the WH with some BO who could play 100 days a year and still not be any better than a 16 hdcp.


42 posted on 03/18/2012 3:36:26 PM PDT by TBall
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: marshmallow
Buy your own popsicles, Haney, you opportunistic leech.

I have to agree, why the need to rat on your past clients? Kinda like a doctor releasing the medical records of all his past patients........

Woods' ex-caddy too for that matter. Woods made Williams a millionaire, probably the best paid caddy on the tour in terms of percentage of winnings and now he's turned into a sour grape........

43 posted on 03/18/2012 3:45:28 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (No matter what you post here, someone's going to get pissed off......)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: CAluvdubya
I also love Vijay Singh and Sergio Garcia

Where's your love for Freddie Couples? He's been a crowd favorite for a long time due to his little publicized extra marital shenanigans.............

Guess you have to be one of the top ten to get that kind of scrutiny.....LOL!

44 posted on 03/18/2012 4:04:06 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (No matter what you post here, someone's going to get pissed off......)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: CAluvdubya
I also love Vijay Singh and Sergio Garcia

Where's your love for Freddie Couples? He's been a crowd favorite for a long time due to his little publicized extra marital shenanigans.............

Guess you have to be one of the top ten to get that kind of scrutiny.....LOL!

45 posted on 03/18/2012 4:06:22 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (No matter what you post here, someone's going to get pissed off......)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: Baynative
The ability to put all of the elements of the complex golf swing into a repeatable motion and adapt it to hundreds of different shots and conditions is much much harder than casual observers think.

Yep. It's much harder than hitting a slider, curveball, or a changeup.



Where there's a shell, there's a way.

25 years ago, we had Ronald Reagan, Johnny Cash, and Bob Hope.
Today we have Obama, no cash, and no hope!

If you can't appreciate the pure beauty of the violin after hearing this, something's wrong with your ears.

Or you can get raw with these strings.

How about this gamechanger from America's Got Talent (which they SHOULD have won).

And finally, this, dedicated to the one and only rdb2, whose eyes are growing dim.

Either way, the violin is sweet yet LETHAL.

Do it!

46 posted on 03/18/2012 4:17:54 PM PDT by rdb3 (If you were tried in court for being a Christian, is there enough evidence to convict you?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: rdb3
"Yep. It's much harder than hitting a slider, curveball, or a changeup."

Let's not forget that one only needs to hit a baseball safely 25% of the time to be near the top of the game.

47 posted on 03/18/2012 4:50:30 PM PDT by Baynative (Please check this out - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFIcZkEzc8I)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: Baynative
Another great point.

A batter and weather person can be 'great' by being on point just 25% of the time.



Where there's a shell, there's a way.

25 years ago, we had Ronald Reagan, Johnny Cash, and Bob Hope.
Today we have Obama, no cash, and no hope!

If you can't appreciate the pure beauty of the violin after hearing this, something's wrong with your ears.

Or you can get raw with these strings.

How about this gamechanger from America's Got Talent (which they SHOULD have won).

And finally, this, dedicated to the one and only rdb2, whose eyes are growing dim.

Either way, the violin is sweet yet LETHAL.

Do it!

48 posted on 03/18/2012 5:53:26 PM PDT by rdb3 (If you were tried in court for being a Christian, is there enough evidence to convict you?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: Baynative
Woods felt his American rival was phony


49 posted on 03/18/2012 5:57:09 PM PDT by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: OrangeHoof
I’m sure a lot of golfers resented the TigerWorship (tm) that was everpresent for 6-7 years.

Yes but the Tiger Worship resulted in bigger tournament purses and more TV coverage, and it ultimately benefited every Tour pro.

50 posted on 03/19/2012 12:56:35 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-52 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson