Skip to comments.Obama and Martial Law - WHAT IF?.... (vanity)
Posted on 03/19/2012 7:27:22 PM PDT by Free Vulcan
There has been a great deal of reaction on Free Republic to the very recent rewrite by the Obama administration of the executive order dealing with National Defense Resources Preparedness, originally signed I believe under Eisenhower, and the small but significant changes in the language. Namely, giving the President, even under peacetime, powers of complete and total nationalization of anyone and anything within the borders of the CONUS.
All of which has brought talk and speculation of martial law by the Federal government as well as both the cancellation of this November's elections and the dissolution of both the U.S. Congress and the SCOTUS. In response to that I would like to propose a series of 'What if?' questions to the above scenario, not only to generate discussion, but also possibly give everyone here some impetus to act in a way using bona fide and existing channels of authority that could challenge Obama should he attempt such actions.
WHAT IF...on January 22, 2013, Barack Hussein Obama continues to hold the seat of power that is assigned under our Constitution as the office of the President and refuses to leave while declaring complete and total control over the entire CONUS and a complete disbandment of the other two branches of government?
WHAT IF...in response to such an action a Governor of any of the 50 states as clear indisputable fact that Barack Hussein Obama's term of office has ended, and as such he no long holds the office of President, therefore no longer commands any of the powers that go with that office?
WHAT IF...as a conclusion to the above statement, that same Governor declares Obama to be illegally occupying the position lawfully belonging to a President elected by the citizens under the Constitution, therefore committing an act of domestic terrorism against his state and the United States, as is anyone who is acting in support of his actions?
WHAT IF...that same Governor then themselves declares a State of Emergency in response to the imminent threat posed by the illegal usurpation of the office of the President by Barack Hussein Obama and his cohorts, and enacting his emergency power under such a declaration?
WHAT IF...in emergency session, the state legislature votes to give the Governor a set of powers in addition to those already in existence in a state of emergency? Namely:
1) Declaring Barack Hussein Obama and his cohorts to be guilty of conspiracy, subversion, and treason in the commission of terrorist acts against the authority and security of said State, the United States, and the Constitution.
2) Declaring any and all federal personnel existing within state boundaries currently giving support to Obama's illegal actions to be part of that terrorist organization and therefore subject to indefinite detainment, arrest, prosecution, and imprisonment, including capital punishment, as well as confiscation and/or destruction of any federal assets used in such actions.
3) Declaring any and all private assets of any said personnel operating in support of the actions of Barack Hussein Obama eligible to be frozen and/or confiscated, including military bases within the borders. Any individual or facility defying that order would be responded to with terminal force, without trial.
4) Declaring all funds paid to the Federal government to be funds in support of a terrorist organization, therefore mandating the cessation of all federal withholding of paychecks and payment of taxes.
5) Declaring all residents of the state who are members of any federal law enforcement or branch of the military, who are in support of Obama's actions, to be terrorists and fugitives of the law, and authorize teams to track them down and bring them to justice, dead or alive.
6) Declaring that any member deemed to be part of the above organization, should they commit an act of aggression against any resident or parcel of territory within the boundaries of said State, will be shot on sight without trial.
7) Releasing all citizens of that state from any claim of authority by the illegal terrorist organization headed by Barack Hussein Obama and indefinitely suspending all Federal, regulatory, police and/or military power over them, including members of the U.S. Military residing within it's borders.
8) Empowering the Governor to raise self-defense militias as well ordering all law enforcement and national guard to seal all possible entryways and arteries into the state from all federal police and military forces.
9) Empowering the Governor to use any and all means to resist and repel any invasion or attempt to occupy any part of the State at any time.
10) Empowering the Governor to hold elections at the mandated day, times and places, and work with other states to attempt to achieve a quorum to reconvene Congress at a secure location.
WHAT IF?...as a matter of swift action, said Governor executes all the above? What does Obama do then?
WHAT IF?...in a similar response, the Governors of a number of other states enact similar powers? What does Obama do then?
WHAT IF?...in communication with the Governors of other States, the Governor of said State signs a mutual defense pact to aid all States within the coalition any and all necessary Means and Aid in support of repelling the terrorist forces of Barack Hussein Obama? What does Obama do then?
WHAT IF?...as a mutual compact, the various coalition states rightfully hold their elections at the Constitutionally mandated time, and if in quorum, propose a meeting of their duly elected Congress persons within Coalition territory, in a designated Federal zone guarded by U.S. Military assets that uphold their Constitutional oath? What does Obama do then?
WHAT IF?...that same Congress declares the Office of the President vacant, and recognizes the duly elected official present who is highest in the order of secession as the current President?
WHAT DOES OBAMA DO THEN???
What is the solution to fighting back? WE ALREADY HAVE THE SOLUTION. The solution is the States. It is imperative that not only do you work and support to get conservative legislatures and Governors within your states, you approach your state representatives NOW and propose that they adopt legislation as outlined above.
It is time to set this fire alight. Force the national conversation on this issue, force it into the news cycle and the talk shows, force the current administration to deal with it. States like Wyoming, Arizona, and others have already either passed or at least initiated legislation on things like secession and federal jurisdiction over 2nd amendment rights all it takes is one state legislator in any of branches in any the 50 states to introduce legislation as outlined above to bring it front and center.
If we want to stop this, this is where it starts: with the States. Surely with the numbers we have here one of us has the network and contacts to start get some state Representative or Senator to pick up this ball and get it rolling.
Chile was a banana republic when Allende refused to step down and they managed just fine under the rule of law. But if the US is more bananas than they were ...
We certainly can’t depend on the federal government to be self-correcting anymore...
Freedom means that some folks will make immoral choices. Will you let them?
Personal responsibility means some people will be truly poor and suffering -- maybe even you or people you love. Will you accept grinding poverty as a part of American society?
Local control means that if you have a tornado, flood, or earthquake, federal help may not be available. You're on your own. Can you handle that?
Our whole society has become based on the notion that -- to the best of our ability -- nothing bad will ever happen to anyone, anywhere. We cannot have a successful return to limited government until people throw that entire concept out the window. The little utopia we've tried to build has become a nightmare. Bad things are going to happen. Unless we accept the inevitability of those bad things, we have no hope of ever making anything better.
Much easier than all that BS.
That being said, FDR got closest to martial law and moved a whole class of people to involuntary confinement (Nisei) with the consent and assistance of the military.
Boom? There is always boom somehwere.
You assume that they will act, if they are not imprisoned or executed by Obama after he takes power. They haven’t acted so far and I don’t see anything changing anytime soon, even if we get a Republican Senate.
As far as the Federal bureaucracy and law enforcement...good luck on that one. Total crap shoot there.
He'd tell someone to do something and they'd laugh.
If he tries it he will be running for his life from the very military he commands because they loathe him and have reasonable proof that he is ineligible for the office he holds.
Very interesting- I pray we don’t need it, but we need to have a lawful solution with plenty of teeth.
I do hope that the concept of Co-equal Branches of Government and Separation of Powers haven’t completely deserted the other two branches. May I suggest the 25th Amendment on the grounds of instability as a good back-pocket solution.
But we can never forget that our power lies in the states.
Most of them are intensely law-abiding.
If the Constitution says the new President takes office on a specific day, then that happens no matter what Obama says.
Everybody is part of the militia. Any opponents to calling up the militia under the circumstances specified in the above would, of course, be disposed of in a New York minute.
Relax. The grown-ups will soon be back in charge.
The occupy people are run by unions, anarchists, commies and funded by Soros and they want to bring down the government.
“Most of them are intensely law-abiding.”
And because of that, when presented with a bunch of legal smoke with the threat of imprisonment or worse, they will comply.
And many in D.C. are just corrupt jackboot liberals who would LOVE for something like this to happen.
The oaths sworn by the Military and various others are to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. The Constitution, not any particular person, not any particular office, not even the Country, but the Constitution.
Should hussein take the actions outlined above, he would be unquestionably demonstrating himself as an enemy of the Constitution. There should be no doubt in the minds of anyone in uniform where their loyalty and duty lies. It would not be with a self-proclaimed, self-appointed dictator.
In fact, in the late 1800s the Post Office Department was actually operated from Chicago and only 3 employees worked at Post Office Department Headquarters in Washington DC.
Virtually all federal government employees are part of their local communities.
While I might agree that the administration realizing it’s on the way out might engage in some kind of scorched earth tactics, how exactly would the Fedgov prevent an individual state from holding elections?
Who would enforce a such a decree and under what legal authority?
The Occupy stuff might inconvenience a few but we have some pretty spread out urban areas so life goes on with or without them.
What if the Chinese Navy lands in Anchorage and millions of chinamen march south toward Seattle and they take over the cable TV companies and force us to watch reruns of MASH to convince us that it is just a movie set?
i guess the ansah you lookin for is thank GOd the federal courts are not completely taken over by lefties.
But what if ROMNEY wins the election? ... then our problems will really have begun. FOR REAL DUDES.
In the event of a dispute between their state and the national government, is their allegiance to their state, or Washington?
The unlawful actions of the various Federal agencies under Obama has been well documented here. Some in the hinterlands may ultimately not go along, but I’m still waiting for it to happen. Certainly not going to put any faith in it.
Watch the govenors use their National Guard Units to wipe such a thing out before the Feds have to get involved.
By declaring a national emergency.
The leaders of OWS state the want to recreate ‘68 in every state.
Perhaps the reason he has been building up his personal 'police force' better armed than our military and in larger numbers is in anticipation of using them to take over the military and all other bodies of law enforcement officers in the country. I've wondered why in the world would he want to create such an overwhelming body of warriors apart from all the firepower we already have is to use them to subjugate our military and all law enforcement agencies in the country when he declares nation-wide martial law.
He must think the population in general will just roll over and go quietly into the night if he takes over the military and leo's. No, I don't think he plans to take over the military. He'll just dis-regard them once he gets his 30 million illegal aliens in country and issued AK 47's before he gives our military and leo's an ultimatum to swear allegiance to him and his illegal Hessian warriors or face the firing squad.
Well, on this one point, you'd be two days late, since, if there is a POTUS-Elect, he'd be sworn in on 01/20/13.
There is no personal police force that he is building up. No activity of that size can go on unnoticed. There are too many eyes everywhere in government that are not friendly to him.
The citizens do not elect the President under the Constitution, the Electors do. The people vote for the electors, although that's not required by the Constitution, it's just how all the states do it now, although they did not always do it that way.
In some states the electors are by law required to vote for whomever they are pledged to, but in others they are free to vote for whom they choose. No faithless elector has ever been punished, and only once have they changed the results, and that was only for VP, in 1836. Even then they merely threw the election into the Senate which picked the "expected" winner anyway, so even they did not change the final result.
You’re right, I was a day off.
The above scenario assumes Obama cancels, or at least doesn’t honor, the November elections by giving up the Office and instead declares indefinite martial law. January 21st would be the first full day he’d be unlawfully occupying the White House.
Why suspend elections? Just create intimidation of conservative / shy voters, bus in illegals and use lots of voter fraud. And, if necessary, use OWS to create chaos at polling places so the government takes the ballots for “protection” and then makes the outcome they want.
By declaring a national emergency.
First, there has to be one. Riots in a few dozen Dem strongholds does not a national emergency make.
Further, who would enforce it? Internally, there aren’t enough active, reserve, IRR, police, or boy scouts put together to possibly keep a lid on an action like that.
Even if the blue helmets were summoned, not enough manpower - not to mention at that point, all bets would be off.
Just pull the anyone but Erkel lever this November. Things will eventually right themselves.
I’m sure he will try all that. If it looks like he’s loosing the election, he will do what democrats always try to do. STEEL IT.
He already has 15 million illegals here. Three hots and a cot and carte blanche to raise hell in the streets with their newly-issued AK-47 would be incentive enough to fill his ranks very quickly. Especially when the border patrol is disbanded and the gates swung open.
He’s dividing this country by class and by race. A class and race war would come in very handy to accomplish his goals. There are a lot more people involved in this than you could imagine.
So they may very well be more bananas than Chile was. Actually Chile would be more of a Guano Republic, I don't think they have many bananas there.
And you have no idea what the firepower is of a modern, armored air-ground army unit is. The National Guard units of most states alone are battle hardened from the mideast and are equipped and trained as the regular Army is. The destructive firepower they possess is breathtaking and smaller well equipped units can destroy much larger poorly equipped ones. An AK-47 is no match for any of our vehicle mounted weapons. Take that plus the firepower of 50-60 million Pariots and these illegals would be hamburger in a week. Your scenario makes a good B-rated Hollywood movie and nothing more. It dies quickly under the harsh realities of modern military capabilites.
But would, say, a nuke, EMP attack, or something else happening to one or a few major US cities constitute one?
I know, I know....it's some real tinfoil hat stuff. Even so, Obama is Grade-A, U.S. Choice, government-inspected EVIL...and I wouldn't put it past him to initiate a 'false-flag' op.
They do if the President so declares. Or at least there would be the "color" of a National Emergency.
Who is America’s Pinochet?
Hes dividing this country by class and by race. A class and race war would come in very handy to accomplish his goals. There are a lot more people involved in this than you could imagine.
I can’t disagree with any of this. I must have a bit more faith in my fellow Americans, however. Specifically, that they, like you recognize and understand the game unfolding and won’t be played for okey dokes.
Our national fabric is stronger than you think. Even after hacking and slashing at it for better than 3 years - we’re all still here, and contrary to what all the talking heads and professional media types try to hammer home every day, more and more Americans are waking up to the idea that hope and change in practice - ain’t like it was in the brochure.
That’s good news for the good guys.
Relax. The grown-ups will soon be back in charge.
They might be in charge but the whole system is so permeated with rot that no one will ever get rid of it.
“I firmly believe the military would not obey unlawful orders from and POTUS at any time.”
Well, since BHO’s eligibility to even BE President has never been proven - with the belated “birth certificate” looking increasingly bogus upon expert analysis, questionable selective service document(s) AND multiple, unexplained social security numbers, the orders BHO issues as CIC actually ARE unlawful.
But we’ve seen what happened to Col. Lakin (and a few other military men like him), haven’t we?
These type of situations have a dynamic that can change quickly and I think they are. Col. Lakin was released when the new Joint Chiefs came in. These new revelations have more than likely caused serious doubts about Obozo who are higher up. They loath him and I wouldn’t be suprised if they presuured Congress to pass House Resoution 107 calling for the Won’s impeachment should he misuse the military again. Things are starting to go very badly against him.
It’s not tin-foil to game out any of the scenarios you mention. People get paid to do just this. The tin-foil to my way of thinking arrives when belief is not supported by fact. Religion excepted, of course.
An event or series of events happens close to election time - a national emergency is declared - Martial Law. How do you convince all those states, and areas NOT directly affected by those events that they CANNOT hold elections?
It puts a real strain on keeping the lid on things.
So, elections go forward - transition of administrations with Martial Law intact - events contained/analyzed/gamed forward and backward - Martial Law lifted - back to the work of cleaning up the Erkel trainwreck under a newly elected administration. :)
Like all bureaucrats, their allegiance is to whoever will preserve their gravy train, and those allegiances will go whichever way the wind blows.
“Look for Obamas occupy wall street buddies create havoc over the summer with riots and destruction. Then when people start crying for it all to stop, Obama will declare martial law and suspend elections to hang onto power. The occupy people are run by unions, anarchists, commies and funded by Soros and they want to bring down the government.”
Your post deserves to be seen by all. This is exactly what some of us have feared almost from day one, and with this latest, chilling Executive Order that BHO penned under the radar on Friday, the open-ended DHS contract for hundreds of millions of rounds of ammo, and various events unfolding daily, it seems more and more likely.
If we blow this election with in-fighting and “sitting it out” in protest of whatever nominee, we sign the death warrant for our beloved Republic. It cannot survive a second, unrestrained term of B. Hussein Obama.
Andrew Breitbart said it, Mark Levin’s said it - many wise and fine conservatives have said it.