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Obama and Martial Law - WHAT IF?.... (vanity)
Self ^ | 3.19.2012 | Free Vulcan

Posted on 03/19/2012 7:27:22 PM PDT by Free Vulcan

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1 posted on 03/19/2012 7:27:25 PM PDT by Free Vulcan
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To: Free Vulcan

Chile was a banana republic when Allende refused to step down and they managed just fine under the rule of law. But if the US is more bananas than they were ...


2 posted on 03/19/2012 7:34:54 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (and I will not go to Illinois to campaign against MITT.)
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To: Free Vulcan

Interesting.

We certainly can’t depend on the federal government to be self-correcting anymore...


3 posted on 03/19/2012 7:35:41 PM PDT by Tigerized ("..and whack 'em, and whack 'em, and whack 'em!' cried the Toad in ecstasy." (also my 2012 strategy))
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To: Free Vulcan
People need to choose freedom, personal responsibility, and local control. Unfortunately, these are extremely unpleasant choices for most everyone.

Freedom means that some folks will make immoral choices. Will you let them?
Personal responsibility means some people will be truly poor and suffering -- maybe even you or people you love. Will you accept grinding poverty as a part of American society?
Local control means that if you have a tornado, flood, or earthquake, federal help may not be available. You're on your own. Can you handle that?

Our whole society has become based on the notion that -- to the best of our ability -- nothing bad will ever happen to anyone, anywhere. We cannot have a successful return to limited government until people throw that entire concept out the window. The little utopia we've tried to build has become a nightmare. Bad things are going to happen. Unless we accept the inevitability of those bad things, we have no hope of ever making anything better.

4 posted on 03/19/2012 7:38:23 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("And the public gets what the public wants" -- The Jam)
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To: Free Vulcan
The simple solution is for Congress (already convened) to simply call up the Militia (which is everybody) and recognize the authority of the NEWLY ELECTED PRESIDENT. The Secret Service then takes Obama into custody (if he's lucky).

Much easier than all that BS.

5 posted on 03/19/2012 7:38:56 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Free Vulcan
Obama doesn't have the military in his pocket I firmly believe the military would not obey unlawful orders from and POTUS at any time.

That being said, FDR got closest to martial law and moved a whole class of people to involuntary confinement (Nisei) with the consent and assistance of the military.

6 posted on 03/19/2012 7:39:33 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: Free Vulcan

Boom? There is always boom somehwere.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvrGxIl6Azc


7 posted on 03/19/2012 7:40:09 PM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: muawiyah

You assume that they will act, if they are not imprisoned or executed by Obama after he takes power. They haven’t acted so far and I don’t see anything changing anytime soon, even if we get a Republican Senate.

As far as the Federal bureaucracy and law enforcement...good luck on that one. Total crap shoot there.


8 posted on 03/19/2012 7:42:43 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Election 2012 - America stands or falls. No more excuses. Get involved.)
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To: Free Vulcan

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9 posted on 03/19/2012 7:43:31 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Free Vulcan
Actually, once the new president is sworn in, Obama's 'orders' have as much effect as yours or mine.

He'd tell someone to do something and they'd laugh.

10 posted on 03/19/2012 7:43:58 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Shut up and drill.)
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To: Free Vulcan

If he tries it he will be running for his life from the very military he commands because they loathe him and have reasonable proof that he is ineligible for the office he holds.


11 posted on 03/19/2012 7:47:08 PM PDT by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: Free Vulcan

Very interesting- I pray we don’t need it, but we need to have a lawful solution with plenty of teeth.

I do hope that the concept of Co-equal Branches of Government and Separation of Powers haven’t completely deserted the other two branches. May I suggest the 25th Amendment on the grounds of instability as a good back-pocket solution.

But we can never forget that our power lies in the states.


12 posted on 03/19/2012 7:50:21 PM PDT by bootless (Never Forget. Never Again. (PursuingLiberty.com))
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To: bootless

bttt


13 posted on 03/19/2012 7:52:55 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: Free Vulcan
People get hired into the federal government because (1) they have no criminal records and (2) are not likely to get criminal records.

Most of them are intensely law-abiding.

If the Constitution says the new President takes office on a specific day, then that happens no matter what Obama says.

Everybody is part of the militia. Any opponents to calling up the militia under the circumstances specified in the above would, of course, be disposed of in a New York minute.

14 posted on 03/19/2012 7:53:25 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Free Vulcan

Relax. The grown-ups will soon be back in charge.


15 posted on 03/19/2012 7:54:00 PM PDT by Sylvester McMonkey McBean
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To: pfflier
Look for Obama’s occupy wall street buddies create havoc over the summer with riots and destruction. Then when people start crying for it all to stop, Obama will declare martial law and suspend elections to hang onto power.

The occupy people are run by unions, anarchists, commies and funded by Soros and they want to bring down the government.

16 posted on 03/19/2012 7:54:26 PM PDT by BMC1 (OBAMA IS A THUG RUNNING A GANGSTER GOVERNMENT)
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To: muawiyah

“Most of them are intensely law-abiding.”

And because of that, when presented with a bunch of legal smoke with the threat of imprisonment or worse, they will comply.

And many in D.C. are just corrupt jackboot liberals who would LOVE for something like this to happen.


17 posted on 03/19/2012 7:58:35 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Election 2012 - America stands or falls. No more excuses. Get involved.)
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To: pfflier
Obama doesn't have the military in his pocket I firmly believe the military would not obey unlawful orders from and POTUS at any time.

The oaths sworn by the Military and various others are to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. The Constitution, not any particular person, not any particular office, not even the Country, but the Constitution.

Should hussein take the actions outlined above, he would be unquestionably demonstrating himself as an enemy of the Constitution. There should be no doubt in the minds of anyone in uniform where their loyalty and duty lies. It would not be with a self-proclaimed, self-appointed dictator.

18 posted on 03/19/2012 7:59:47 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Free Vulcan
You might have missed it but the federal government's employment base was shipped out to various places in the United States well over 100 years ago.

In fact, in the late 1800s the Post Office Department was actually operated from Chicago and only 3 employees worked at Post Office Department Headquarters in Washington DC.

Virtually all federal government employees are part of their local communities.

19 posted on 03/19/2012 8:04:12 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: BMC1

While I might agree that the administration realizing it’s on the way out might engage in some kind of scorched earth tactics, how exactly would the Fedgov prevent an individual state from holding elections?

Who would enforce a such a decree and under what legal authority?


20 posted on 03/19/2012 8:04:53 PM PDT by Sylvester McMonkey McBean
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To: BMC1
You are assuming "the people will start crying" ~ which they didn't this last year, and which they won't this year, or even next year.

The Occupy stuff might inconvenience a few but we have some pretty spread out urban areas so life goes on with or without them.

21 posted on 03/19/2012 8:06:22 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Free Vulcan

What if the Chinese Navy lands in Anchorage and millions of chinamen march south toward Seattle and they take over the cable TV companies and force us to watch reruns of MASH to convince us that it is just a movie set?

i guess the ansah you lookin for is thank GOd the federal courts are not completely taken over by lefties.

But what if ROMNEY wins the election? ... then our problems will really have begun. FOR REAL DUDES.


22 posted on 03/19/2012 8:07:50 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (and I will not go to Illinois to campaign against MITT.)
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To: muawiyah
Virtually all federal government employees are part of their local communities.

In the event of a dispute between their state and the national government, is their allegiance to their state, or Washington?

23 posted on 03/19/2012 8:09:37 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: muawiyah

The unlawful actions of the various Federal agencies under Obama has been well documented here. Some in the hinterlands may ultimately not go along, but I’m still waiting for it to happen. Certainly not going to put any faith in it.


24 posted on 03/19/2012 8:10:29 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Election 2012 - America stands or falls. No more excuses. Get involved.)
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To: BMC1

Watch the govenors use their National Guard Units to wipe such a thing out before the Feds have to get involved.


25 posted on 03/19/2012 8:10:41 PM PDT by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: Sylvester McMonkey McBean

By declaring a national emergency.


26 posted on 03/19/2012 8:10:50 PM PDT by BMC1 (OBAMA IS A THUG RUNNING A GANGSTER GOVERNMENT)
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To: muawiyah

The leaders of OWS state the want to recreate ‘68 in every state.


27 posted on 03/19/2012 8:16:21 PM PDT by BMC1 (OBAMA IS A THUG RUNNING A GANGSTER GOVERNMENT)
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To: Free Vulcan

http://web.gbtv.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=20177695


28 posted on 03/19/2012 8:20:11 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: pfflier
"Obama doesn't have the military in his pocket I firmly believe the military would not obey unlawful orders from and POTUS at any time."

Perhaps the reason he has been building up his personal 'police force' better armed than our military and in larger numbers is in anticipation of using them to take over the military and all other bodies of law enforcement officers in the country. I've wondered why in the world would he want to create such an overwhelming body of warriors apart from all the firepower we already have is to use them to subjugate our military and all law enforcement agencies in the country when he declares nation-wide martial law.

He must think the population in general will just roll over and go quietly into the night if he takes over the military and leo's. No, I don't think he plans to take over the military. He'll just dis-regard them once he gets his 30 million illegal aliens in country and issued AK 47's before he gives our military and leo's an ultimatum to swear allegiance to him and his illegal Hessian warriors or face the firing squad.

29 posted on 03/19/2012 8:22:40 PM PDT by Eastbound ( 3-7-77)
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To: Free Vulcan
WHAT IF...on January 22, 2013, Barack Hussein Obama continues to hold the seat of power that is assigned under our Constitution as the office of the President and refuses to leave while declaring complete and total control over the entire CONUS and a complete disbandment of the other two branches of government?

Well, on this one point, you'd be two days late, since, if there is a POTUS-Elect, he'd be sworn in on 01/20/13.

30 posted on 03/19/2012 8:23:37 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: Eastbound

There is no personal police force that he is building up. No activity of that size can go on unnoticed. There are too many eyes everywhere in government that are not friendly to him.


31 posted on 03/19/2012 8:29:01 PM PDT by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: Free Vulcan
a President elected by the citizens under the Constitution

The citizens do not elect the President under the Constitution, the Electors do. The people vote for the electors, although that's not required by the Constitution, it's just how all the states do it now, although they did not always do it that way.

In some states the electors are by law required to vote for whomever they are pledged to, but in others they are free to vote for whom they choose. No faithless elector has ever been punished, and only once have they changed the results, and that was only for VP, in 1836. Even then they merely threw the election into the Senate which picked the "expected" winner anyway, so even they did not change the final result.

32 posted on 03/19/2012 8:29:47 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: SoldierDad

You’re right, I was a day off.

The above scenario assumes Obama cancels, or at least doesn’t honor, the November elections by giving up the Office and instead declares indefinite martial law. January 21st would be the first full day he’d be unlawfully occupying the White House.


33 posted on 03/19/2012 8:31:39 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Election 2012 - America stands or falls. No more excuses. Get involved.)
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To: BMC1

Why suspend elections? Just create intimidation of conservative / shy voters, bus in illegals and use lots of voter fraud. And, if necessary, use OWS to create chaos at polling places so the government takes the ballots for “protection” and then makes the outcome they want.


34 posted on 03/19/2012 8:34:19 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: BMC1

By declaring a national emergency.

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First, there has to be one. Riots in a few dozen Dem strongholds does not a national emergency make.

Further, who would enforce it? Internally, there aren’t enough active, reserve, IRR, police, or boy scouts put together to possibly keep a lid on an action like that.

Even if the blue helmets were summoned, not enough manpower - not to mention at that point, all bets would be off.

Just pull the anyone but Erkel lever this November. Things will eventually right themselves.


35 posted on 03/19/2012 8:35:42 PM PDT by Sylvester McMonkey McBean
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To: tbw2

I’m sure he will try all that. If it looks like he’s loosing the election, he will do what democrats always try to do. STEEL IT.


36 posted on 03/19/2012 8:40:15 PM PDT by BMC1 (OBAMA IS A THUG RUNNING A GANGSTER GOVERNMENT)
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To: DarthVader
"There is no personal police force that he is building up. No activity of that size can go on unnoticed. There are too many eyes everywhere in government that are not friendly to him."

He already has 15 million illegals here. Three hots and a cot and carte blanche to raise hell in the streets with their newly-issued AK-47 would be incentive enough to fill his ranks very quickly. Especially when the border patrol is disbanded and the gates swung open.

37 posted on 03/19/2012 8:40:24 PM PDT by Eastbound ( 3-7-77)
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To: Sylvester McMonkey McBean

He’s dividing this country by class and by race. A class and race war would come in very handy to accomplish his goals. There are a lot more people involved in this than you could imagine.


38 posted on 03/19/2012 8:44:01 PM PDT by BMC1 (OBAMA IS A THUG RUNNING A GANGSTER GOVERNMENT)
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To: campaignPete R-CT
But if the US is more bananas than they were ... Well they elected a first term Senator who virtually no one had heard of before the election season for the 2008 election. One known primarily for voting "Present". One who had no executive or managerial experience, no business/industry experience, whose main experience was as a quasi-public sector "community organizer" and who was also know for voting "present" in the Illinois State Senate.

So they may very well be more bananas than Chile was. Actually Chile would be more of a Guano Republic, I don't think they have many bananas there.

39 posted on 03/19/2012 8:48:14 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Eastbound

And you have no idea what the firepower is of a modern, armored air-ground army unit is. The National Guard units of most states alone are battle hardened from the mideast and are equipped and trained as the regular Army is. The destructive firepower they possess is breathtaking and smaller well equipped units can destroy much larger poorly equipped ones. An AK-47 is no match for any of our vehicle mounted weapons. Take that plus the firepower of 50-60 million Pariots and these illegals would be hamburger in a week. Your scenario makes a good B-rated Hollywood movie and nothing more. It dies quickly under the harsh realities of modern military capabilites.


40 posted on 03/19/2012 8:49:48 PM PDT by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: Sylvester McMonkey McBean
Riots in a few dozen Dem strongholds does not a national emergency make.

True, true.

But would, say, a nuke, EMP attack, or something else happening to one or a few major US cities constitute one?

I know, I know....it's some real tinfoil hat stuff. Even so, Obama is Grade-A, U.S. Choice, government-inspected EVIL...and I wouldn't put it past him to initiate a 'false-flag' op.

41 posted on 03/19/2012 8:52:39 PM PDT by hoagy62 ("Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered..."-Thomas Paine. 1776)
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To: Sylvester McMonkey McBean
Riots in a few dozen Dem strongholds does not a national emergency make.

They do if the President so declares. Or at least there would be the "color" of a National Emergency.

42 posted on 03/19/2012 8:54:35 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Who is America’s Pinochet?


43 posted on 03/19/2012 8:59:25 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: BMC1

He’s dividing this country by class and by race. A class and race war would come in very handy to accomplish his goals. There are a lot more people involved in this than you could imagine.
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I can’t disagree with any of this. I must have a bit more faith in my fellow Americans, however. Specifically, that they, like you recognize and understand the game unfolding and won’t be played for okey dokes.

Our national fabric is stronger than you think. Even after hacking and slashing at it for better than 3 years - we’re all still here, and contrary to what all the talking heads and professional media types try to hammer home every day, more and more Americans are waking up to the idea that hope and change in practice - ain’t like it was in the brochure.

That’s good news for the good guys.


44 posted on 03/19/2012 9:00:18 PM PDT by Sylvester McMonkey McBean
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To: Sylvester McMonkey McBean

Relax. The grown-ups will soon be back in charge.


They might be in charge but the whole system is so permeated with rot that no one will ever get rid of it.


45 posted on 03/19/2012 9:01:52 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: pfflier

“I firmly believe the military would not obey unlawful orders from and POTUS at any time.”

Well, since BHO’s eligibility to even BE President has never been proven - with the belated “birth certificate” looking increasingly bogus upon expert analysis, questionable selective service document(s) AND multiple, unexplained social security numbers, the orders BHO issues as CIC actually ARE unlawful.

But we’ve seen what happened to Col. Lakin (and a few other military men like him), haven’t we?


46 posted on 03/19/2012 9:02:11 PM PDT by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: llandres

These type of situations have a dynamic that can change quickly and I think they are. Col. Lakin was released when the new Joint Chiefs came in. These new revelations have more than likely caused serious doubts about Obozo who are higher up. They loath him and I wouldn’t be suprised if they presuured Congress to pass House Resoution 107 calling for the Won’s impeachment should he misuse the military again. Things are starting to go very badly against him.


47 posted on 03/19/2012 9:09:34 PM PDT by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: hoagy62

It’s not tin-foil to game out any of the scenarios you mention. People get paid to do just this. The tin-foil to my way of thinking arrives when belief is not supported by fact. Religion excepted, of course.

An event or series of events happens close to election time - a national emergency is declared - Martial Law. How do you convince all those states, and areas NOT directly affected by those events that they CANNOT hold elections?

It puts a real strain on keeping the lid on things.

So, elections go forward - transition of administrations with Martial Law intact - events contained/analyzed/gamed forward and backward - Martial Law lifted - back to the work of cleaning up the Erkel trainwreck under a newly elected administration. :)


48 posted on 03/19/2012 9:15:29 PM PDT by Sylvester McMonkey McBean
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To: tacticalogic

Like all bureaucrats, their allegiance is to whoever will preserve their gravy train, and those allegiances will go whichever way the wind blows.


49 posted on 03/19/2012 9:18:37 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: BMC1; All

“Look for Obama’s occupy wall street buddies create havoc over the summer with riots and destruction. Then when people start crying for it all to stop, Obama will declare martial law and suspend elections to hang onto power. The occupy people are run by unions, anarchists, commies and funded by Soros and they want to bring down the government.”

Your post deserves to be seen by all. This is exactly what some of us have feared almost from day one, and with this latest, chilling Executive Order that BHO penned under the radar on Friday, the open-ended DHS contract for hundreds of millions of rounds of ammo, and various events unfolding daily, it seems more and more likely.

If we blow this election with in-fighting and “sitting it out” in protest of whatever nominee, we sign the death warrant for our beloved Republic. It cannot survive a second, unrestrained term of B. Hussein Obama.

Andrew Breitbart said it, Mark Levin’s said it - many wise and fine conservatives have said it.


50 posted on 03/19/2012 9:35:11 PM PDT by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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