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Did Apple Just Bamboozle 3M iPad Buyers?
tvpredictions.com ^ | March 20, 2012 | Phillip Swann

Posted on 03/21/2012 2:39:20 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave

Apple just reported that it sold three million 'New iPads' between Friday, March 16 and Monday, March 19. Is there any wonder? The pre-launch publicity and media attention for the new tablet was unprecedented. And so were the glowing comments from normally sedate tech analysts who called the new tablet "dazzling" and "revolutionary."

The official launch day itself looked like a scene from 1964 circa Beatlemania as thousands of Apple-ites lined up overnight across the nation so they could be the first to own the new device.

"For the people who stayed out here overnight, the real devotees, they say it's enough of a revolution for them to brave the cold weather to be among tthe first in the world to get the new iPad," a CNN reporter gushed on the air Friday.

But hold on, everyone. There's growing evidence that Apple may have bamboozled us all, or at least the three million plus people who have bought the new iPad.

By most objective standards, the new iPad is supposed to include three major improvements on the old iPad 2. Apple itself promoted these three features most heavily in its ballyhooed press event on March 7 announcing the new tablet.

Why are these people in line?

But several reports done by respected tech web sites in the last few days suggests that the three improvements are slight and/or highly exaggerated by Apple. In addition, one of the "improvements" comes with so much baggage that many new iPad owners may never even use it.

Let's start with "improvement" #1: The new iPad's Retina, high-resolution display.

No one is disputing that the display itself isn't an improvement over the iPad 2. At 2048 x 1536 pixel resolution, the screen exhibits sharper text and more vivid still images. However, the problem apparently comes when you examine one of Apple's most touted reasons for having that high-resolution display: watching movies.

"The gotta-see-it-to-believe-it clarity of the Retina display on the new iPad lets you watch 1080p videos at their full HD resolution. So get ready for more gripping entertainment than you ever thought possible," Apple's web site states.

However, CNET.com yesterday published an article saying that videos from Netflix, YouTube and iTunes don't look much different on the new iPad than they do on the iPad 2.

CNET's David Katzmaier describes how he downloaded a high-def version of Hugo to both the iPad 2 and the new iPad, which purports to offer double the resolution of the older model. The new iPad automatically downloaded a 1080p version of the Martin Scorsese film while the iPad 2 got the lesser 720p edition.

However, Katzmaier says differences in the two "were extremely subtle...Colors looked quite similar on the two."

Then the CNET writer watched Lost via Netflix on both the iPad 2 and new iPad.

"One of the best high-quality shows on Netflix is Lost but as I expected, I couldn't see any differences in detail between the two iPads when I watched the 'Some Like it Hoth' episode," the reviewer states.

CNET apparently doesn't believe that the Retina display delivers "gotta-see-it-to-believe-it clarity" when watching movies, which is again one of the big reasons why Apple says you would want to upgrade to the new iPad.

So while you will experience some benefits for paying more for a high-resolution screen -- text, still images, for example -- CNET says don't expect your movies to look any better.

"Improvement" #2 The new iPad's A5X Processor Techland.com, the tech page for Time Magazine, notes that Apple claimed at its launch event that the new A5X processor would deliver four times the graphics performance of the quad-core chip used in Android tablets.

"Others are using chips like this Nvidia Tegra 3," Apple marketing guru Phil Schiller said at the event in San Francisco. "The Apple A5 was already twice as fast. And the new A5X brings four times the performance. It is a graphics powerhouse."

Did Apple trick us all?

But Techland writes that Apple's claim is "misleading." The site notes that the web sites Gizmodo and Laptop tested the speed on the new iPad and a Tegra 3-powered Asus Transformer Prime and found they are similar.

"Sorry to disappoint you, but there was no clear winner here," Gizmodo wrote. "Results seem to indicate that for blasting through graphics, the GPU (graphics processing unit) in the iPad's A5X is faster. But for your average day-to-day usage, the CPU on Transformer Prime takes it. I'd love to see a good, cross-platform CPU test emerge, but until then, we'll just have to listen to nerds screaming at each other."

While I haven't come across a test yet for how the new iPad's graphics speed fares against the iPad 2, it seems that the tech web sites believe that Apple stretched the truth when it promoted the new processor.

"It's also a reminder not to take product marketing at face value," Techland writes.

"Improvement" #3 The 4G LTE Network The new Apple iPad permits you to use a 4G LTE network from AT&T or Verizon. The plans start at $14.99 a month for AT&T (for 250MB data) and $30 a month for Verizon (2GB).

There's no doubting that 4G is faster than the 3G available in the iPad 2, but at what cost? Several publications have noted that streaming video, music and online games will gobble up your data plan like a Pacman, causing you to upgrade to a more expensive plan or pay heavy overages. The danger here is so great that CNET recommends that you should "think of (4G) LTE as your lifeline when you're out and about, so use it sparingly."

The site adds: "If you expect to stream movies, music, and video 24-7 over 4G, then save yourself the $130 extra for the device (the 4G version costs $130 more than the Wi-Fi version), the monthly data charge, and the potential overage fees and stick to Wi-Fi- -- or drastically adjust your expectations. Even with Verizon's 10GB plan for $80, wanton data use will have you busting through your limit in just a couple of days."

So, to sum up: The Retina, high-resolution display is nice for text and still images, but won't make your movies look much better. The new processor might be faster, but not faster than what you'll find in similar products. And you might lose your shirt if you use 4G.

What's going on here? What is Apple selling us? And why are so many of us running to the store to buy it?

Is this the high-tech, commercial equivalent of a Jonestown?


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1 posted on 03/21/2012 2:39:20 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave
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2 posted on 03/21/2012 2:41:47 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave ("All 57 states must stand together and defeat O-bozo!! VOTE HIM OUT!!!!!!")
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To: Las Vegas Dave

“Colors looked quite similar on the two”

Minor point, but the colors ARE the same. It’s the resolution that’s different, and you won’t see much difference between 720 and 1080 on a tiny screen.

It’s when you interface with a TV one sees the difference.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2400946,00.asp

Don’t have an iPad, but that caught my eye and was a tipoff the author of this piece doesn’t know wtf he’s talking about when criticizing that feature.


3 posted on 03/21/2012 2:51:39 AM PDT by wolficatZ (:"TV is king, you're my everything..")
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To: Las Vegas Dave
Surprised he didn't mention that the "new" iPad roasts your chestnuts.

New iPad 3 may be bad for sperm count

4 posted on 03/21/2012 3:42:24 AM PDT by Leroy S. Mort
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To: wolficatZ

It seemed like the author had an axe to grind, don’t know why. I don’t see why Apple is at fault because 4G networks make you eat up data faster. Isn’t that the whole point?


5 posted on 03/21/2012 3:44:36 AM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave
"as thousands of Apple-ites lined up overnight across the nation so they could be the first to own the new device."

NUTS!

6 posted on 03/21/2012 3:55:56 AM PDT by TPOOH (I wish I could have been Jerry Reed.)
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To: rlmorel

Agreed. To my mind, the larger issue is what cell carriers rape us all for when it comes to data plans.

You have a smart phone? Data plan. You have a 4G tablet? Yet another data plan. Have a hot spot? Still ANOTHER data plan.

It’s freakin’ highway robbery.....not to mention that each of those data plans is limited to maybe a few gigs, tops, without incurring ridiculous overage charges (read: “theft”).

Somebody, somewhere, is going to offer a complete-package data plan tied to the USER/CUSTOMER.....NOT to the devices he or she owns. Whoever that is....should offer unlimited data as well.....and they’ll make a killing. It’s way, way past time to get past these ridiculously anachronistic data plan billing models.

[/rant]


7 posted on 03/21/2012 4:11:03 AM PDT by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: wolficatZ
Minor point, but the colors ARE the same.

Or maybe they aren't.

ITunes Appears to Change Colors of Images Sent to the New iPad

8 posted on 03/21/2012 4:12:23 AM PDT by Leroy S. Mort
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To: wolficatZ

IPAD 4 is suposed to be released within 6 months.


9 posted on 03/21/2012 4:17:07 AM PDT by Highest Authority (DemonRats are pure EVIL)
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To: wolficatZ

IPAD 4 is suposed to be released within 6 months.


10 posted on 03/21/2012 4:17:22 AM PDT by Highest Authority (DemonRats are pure EVIL)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Don’t expect to stream movies. It’s only a matter of time before your cheap internet has a “cap”—like rural users. I watch the big stir over streaming TV and movies and shake my head, because I already have limited internet. College students expect the whole country to have internet access like they do on campus...won’t be there forever.


11 posted on 03/21/2012 4:34:05 AM PDT by Mamzelle (*lol*)
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To: RightOnline

See my post. It’s just a matter of time. It’s going to be interesting when the kids don’t have their fast, free, infinite internet...we in the boonies already know which way the wind blows.


12 posted on 03/21/2012 4:36:02 AM PDT by Mamzelle (*lol*)
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To: Mamzelle

The vast majority of the nation’s population doesn’t have limited internet. That’s not an unreasonable request, especially given the supposed maturity of the WAN infrastructure in this country.


13 posted on 03/21/2012 5:02:06 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: Mamzelle

With the unbelievably rapid proliferation of wireless devices.....smart phones, tablets, et al....you’re talking about a highly competitive and lucrative market for provision of wireless access/services.

SOMEONE is going to do exactly what I suggested above; it’s just a question of who. Verizon, Sprint, AT&T, etc. are milking the cow for as long as they can, but even they know the market is very ticked off at this stupid requirement for a separate data plan per device. It’s highway robbery, and I guarantee you’ll see a lot of pressure on these providers from the likes of Apple, Motorola, Samsung, etc. who manufacture these devices and have a vested interest in seeing more people purchasing them....and therefore seeing “barriers to entry” (e.g. outrageous data plan costs) reduced or removed.


14 posted on 03/21/2012 5:08:22 AM PDT by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: Las Vegas Dave
Is this the high-tech, commercial equivalent of a Jonestown?

Koolaid drinkers untie!

15 posted on 03/21/2012 5:26:41 AM PDT by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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To: RightOnline

Barring new technology, over the air bandwidth is a fixed supply, all of these new devices represents increasing demand.


16 posted on 03/21/2012 5:28:23 AM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

The modern day “Golden Calf!”


17 posted on 03/21/2012 5:35:56 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: Highest Authority
IPAD 4 is suposed to be released within 6 months.

I know. I'm writing this from my encampment in front of the Apple store on University Avenue in Palo Alto. I'm determined to be the first to snag one this time. I'm worried, though, that I'll be mistaken for an OWSer and catch diseases or get mugged.

18 posted on 03/21/2012 6:00:31 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Las Vegas Dave
>normally sedate tech analysts who called the new tablet "dazzling" and "revolutionary."

from what i hear, "SIZZLING" would be a more apt description

19 posted on 03/21/2012 6:08:24 AM PDT by TheRightGuy (I want MY BAILOUT ... a billion or two should do!)
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To: dangerdoc
We rustics may be way ahead of the curve. I cancelled my streaming netflix as soon as I saw what it did to my internet bill, but I kept the DVD service. Anyone coming to my home from a big city gripes about the limitations--but they're going to be paying more for theirs, and they haven't learned to limit how they consume: they just think it's like air to breathe.

The big providers are already talking about it. If there was a way to invest and make money on how dismayed the users are going to be--

20 posted on 03/21/2012 6:29:40 AM PDT by Mamzelle (*lol*)
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To: rlmorel

Probably because everyone who actually uses their brain when shopping for portable electronic devices can see that Apple products suck for most people, cost them more money and does less.

Apple is good for one kind of person: the one who doesn’t want options because being told what to do and how to do it is easy.

I’ve had an Asus t91mt for quite a while. I laugh my butt off every time I’m on the bus and I flip my screen around to use the keyboard and the iPad user next to me says, “Whoa, where did you get that?” I have *never* had an iPad user *ever* not ask the question.

I tell him/her that it was on the market a year before iPad, runs a real OS (I have Windsows 7 with MS Office on it, as well as Ubuntu), I use Rhapsody, MOG and rip my CDs to flac lossless and can buy software and music from anywhere I please. When I ask, “Why did you go with the iPad?” I always get the same response. “It’s what everybody has.”

With the new Asus Transformer Prime with the built in phone . . . Oh well. Nobody will buy it. Apple will “invent” the idea a year later and sell its slower version to millions for twice the price. The Sheeple will flock.


21 posted on 03/21/2012 6:30:01 AM PDT by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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To: rlmorel
Isn’t that the whole point?

Which leaves the question.... aren't phones for talking?
Very few I know who have IPhones don't rush home to watch the latest movie on the.. I phone or any other telecommunications device. They all rush home to watch it on their LED TV or other television or video device.
So where else do they use the video capabilities? In the office? while driving? At the kids game or school play?
Perspective folks. A $29 tracfone will let you talk just as clearly and for far less.
Maybe it is a cult thing...that the practical millions just don't get.
22 posted on 03/21/2012 7:01:43 AM PDT by JSteff ((((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.))))
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To: Las Vegas Dave

I have an iPad 1 and have never felt the urge to “upgrade”.


23 posted on 03/21/2012 7:32:13 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Leroy S. Mort

Not to worry.

That’s just Apple colluding with the administration to provide free birth control...


24 posted on 03/21/2012 8:13:32 AM PDT by moonhawk (Rush, Mark, Sean: Conservative talkers. Sarah, Newt: Conservative DOers. Mitt: Conservative faker)
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To: Sans-Culotte

I have the iPad 1 and don’t have the urge to use it.

Without a case, it is too slippery to prop up, with the case, it is just as bulky as my Transformer and doesn’t have a keyboard.

Luckily, it was free. I had a ipad 2 given to me this year but was able to get a store card instead and bought my wife a nice camera with the money.


25 posted on 03/21/2012 8:26:34 AM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: dangerdoc
Without a case, it is too slippery to prop up, with the case, it is just as bulky as my Transformer and doesn’t have a keyboard.

I find it OK for net surfing; but I hate typing on it. It is a bitch to correct spelling errors (the built-in spell-check is way too aggressive, so I turned it off). I find I do not sometimes reply to emails or message boards because the typing is too laborious. It's nice to be able to sit outside on the deck with a cigar and catch up on news or play a game. And I can sit in the den with my wife and surf while keeping her company. I also have a few Kindle books on it.

It will be good to take on trips to keep up with news and email; but it will never be more than a convenience item. Mine was free, too, BTW. I doubt I would have bought it otherwise.

26 posted on 03/21/2012 8:41:46 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: cizinec
"...Probably because everyone who actually uses their brain when shopping for portable electronic devices..."

No need for that. If we are having a civil discussion, why do you feel the need to insult a large group of people?

27 posted on 03/21/2012 9:28:00 AM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

1080p is 1080p no matter what the device capability is. The media has to be made better than 1080p for it to look better. ATM there really isn’t any media out there.


28 posted on 03/21/2012 9:29:17 AM PDT by BreezyDog (PLAN A: A Peaceful Restoration of the Republic.....PLAN B: A Restoration of the Republic)
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To: JSteff

An iPad or iPhone is a handy platform for when you need some bit of information on the go, but if you are exceeding a data plan on an iPhone, that is problematic to me.


29 posted on 03/21/2012 9:31:45 AM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: BreezyDog

I don’t know, maybe it is me, but what is the point of watching 1080P on a screen that small?


30 posted on 03/21/2012 9:33:40 AM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: Highest Authority

I’m waiting for the iPhone 6 and the ipad5.


31 posted on 03/21/2012 9:35:59 AM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: morphing libertarian

For my Filipino friends the inako (Ay Naku!).


32 posted on 03/21/2012 9:38:00 AM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: rlmorel

I’ll watch tv on my iPhone via my SlingBox if I’m waiting in line somewhere or want to watch a game where a tv is inaccessible. Other than that I wouldn’t watch a movie on screens that small. Maybe on a plane.


33 posted on 03/21/2012 10:08:12 AM PDT by BreezyDog (PLAN A: A Peaceful Restoration of the Republic.....PLAN B: A Restoration of the Republic)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

“Is this the high-tech, commercial equivalent of a Jonestown?”

Somebody’s waking up. Siri is literally fraudulent in the iPhone 4S. It is the clearest cut case of false advertising since the turn of the century.

I recently did quite a bit of research in pursuit of replacing my phone. We are more backward a nation than we think we are in many respects.

1. Privacy is dead. Windows Mobile 7.0 drops native support for synchronizing with Office via USB. The user base is up in arms. They now only synch with office online. Neither Apple nor Android phones offer any USB synch either. Apple wants you synching via iTunes (of all things), and Android wants you to port your life to Google Apps (of all things). The Google bit is particularly arrogant given their new privacy policy, which in a phrased summary is ‘you have none’.

2. I fully intended to jettison my Blackberry, thinking they’ve been lapped by all the other phonemakers and OS providers. They are the only one offering seamless synch via USB. Email is still secure, and rock solid. The Torch has enough apps and then some to make me happy, and it is both fast and 3G (not 4G, which is exorbitantly expensive).

I was absolutely gobsmacked. I was ready to buy a Windows Mobile device, because synching with desktop apps was a big need of mine (privacy again). I found out that Android apps and phones tended to be buggy and required phone reboots on a frequent basis, while Apple Apps were well tested, expensive, and required you stay completely in the Apple bubble.

I bought the Blackberry. I had already had the funeral for my 8300, and was looking forward to a bright new Android world.

Bottom line: Blackberry was the only phone I didn’t have to sell my soul for (privacy). The rest REQUIRED a religious conversion, of sorts.

Now, I have to say, Blackberry needs to fire their entire marketing department and start over again, immediately. They have a superior product, overall.


34 posted on 03/21/2012 10:14:39 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: BreezyDog

Right, I would too. But that is rare, and I don’t think watching an occasional Netflix movie and and there would wipe out your data plan. Or would it?


35 posted on 03/21/2012 10:40:52 AM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: rlmorel

I went a bit far, but I understand why the author has an ax to grind, and the ax to grind is with Apple’s marketing and people’s willingness to believe the ridiculous. I am nonplussed as to why so many consumers would voluntarily enslave themselves to Apple and the iStore.

For instance, I can buy an 8GB iPod nano for $100. I rip all my CDs to FLAC lossless using EAC. Now I have to download software to translate the files into a file the nano can read. I can’t use Rhapsody To Go service. WMA? Sorry, mate, you’ll have to get *another* piece of software to convert the files. Ogg-vorbis? Nope. So what does this media player actually play? Well, MP3, AIFF, WAV (uncompressed), AAC, and Audible files. Sure, I could use Apple’s format lossless, but then I have to convert it for every other player I have . . . unless I *only* buy Apple products.

I *could* buy a Sansa Clip+ 8GB for $60. Spend the saved cash on a 32GB micro SD, which gives me 40GB to the Apple 8GB and I can play . . . dang near any file. Ogg-vorbis, FLAC, WAV compressed, WMA, WMA (secure), etc. Drop Rockbox on top and the audio is even better. No, it doesn’t have a touchscreen and you can’t shuffle the music by shaking the thing (whaaa???), but the music doesn’t sound like crap.

My wife is a personal trainer and teaches group exercise classes. I love watching the snotty instructors show off their new iPods and, even though the system has a special interface just for iPods, struggle to get them to play. When they do, the iPods sound like something out of a tin can. They go on and on about transferring their music from one account to another in iTunes. Good grief. My wife has sold more Sansa Clip+ players because people in the class come up and ask why her music doesn’t sound like crap, like everybody else’s.

I have yet to find an Apple product that didn’t trade freedom for perceived “ease of use.” Sure, slavery is easier when it comes to making decisions, but these aren’t really tough, life changing decisions. Oh well, it’s a free(ish) market and there are just enough of us out there who buy enough “not Apple” to keep the prices nice and low.

Don’t delude yourself into thinking you are getting bleeding or even cutting edge. You are paying a premium for demand for the sake of demand . . . and getting a decent tablet computer with a great screen. It’s almost equivalent to a good netbook without a keyboard. Eh.


36 posted on 03/21/2012 1:27:11 PM PDT by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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To: RinaseaofDs

“Now, I have to say, Blackberry needs to fire their entire marketing department and start over again, immediately. They have a superior product, overall.”

+1


37 posted on 03/21/2012 1:54:06 PM PDT by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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To: wolficatZ

Actually, the new iPad does handle colors differently. The colors on the new iPad are supposedly more vivid. I forget which source I was reviewing the other day, but a comparison was made and it was impressive.

As for the new screen, how could Apple make the claim you could see movies with more clarity? If they’re presented in 1080 by Netflix, that’s all the resolution you’re going to get.

As for other sources, at least you’ll see them in the 1920x1080 format, instead of the 1060 x 800 (or approximately that on the previous iPads.

As for viewing photos, it’s the most lifelike resolution I’ve ever seen. I went in to an Apple store and put my hands on one. You could see every detail of a girl’s face in one. It was almost as if you were looking through a window at the girl.

These attacks on Apple sound amazingly close to those against ‘Reardon Steel’ in ‘Atlas Shrugged’.


38 posted on 03/21/2012 2:26:06 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (I believe in Cap and Trade. I know, I know... Cap spending and trade Obama!)
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To: cizinec
"...I have yet to find an Apple product that didn’t trade freedom for perceived “ease of use.” Sure, slavery is easier when it comes to making decisions, but these aren’t really tough, life changing decisions..."

Honestly. Freedom and Slavery?

I know these types of conversations on FR about Apple products ttend to go a little far into hyperbole, but do you really think people who might not know or care about WMA files are losing their freedom? Or that they think they are slaves because they can't use Rhapsody?

As a conservative, I expect you would agree that people should have the freedom to buy the products they wish using money they earned themselves?

You are also free to feel disdain for them, but why waste your time and energy?

39 posted on 03/21/2012 3:45:23 PM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: dangerdoc
"Barring new technology, over the air bandwidth is a fixed supply, all of these new devices represents increasing demand."

First, there is PLENTY of available bandwidth. That is NOT the problem; not even close.

Second, of course these devices represent increasing demand. The cell carriers are having a field day with the influx of new devices hitting their networks (look at your cell bill lately? have a tablet and a smartphone?)

Third, yes.....they're raping the public and they full well know it. They can only keep the shearing of the sheep up for so long, so they're taking max advantage while they can.

40 posted on 03/21/2012 6:15:45 PM PDT by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: Mamzelle
It’s only a matter of time before your cheap internet has a “cap”—like rural users.

Caps are designed for one purpose, they protect the Cr@p TV channels they provide. People are already cutting the cord, they want to put a stop to that.

I can get basic Cable with 19 megabit brood band, but it is only about $30.00 less than getting all the Movie channels and unlimited phone. So I get 300 channels that I never watch because it is just easier than the hassle of carving out enough to make it useful.

If I Just want Internet then the price goes up to about $50.00 for 4 megabit. Thee seems to be a plot to keep you tied to all this loser tv channels.

41 posted on 03/22/2012 11:14:47 AM PDT by itsahoot (Tag lines are a waste of bandwidth, as are my comments.)
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To: cizinec
Apple is good for one kind of person: the one who doesn’t want options because being told what to do and how to do it is easy.

I sense a little hostility here.

If you cant afford a Maybach then a pinto will get you where you want to go. No one cares what you drive, unless of corse you need a chick magnet type of car.

It may surprise you but no one cares what portable device you use, so why does it upset you when people actually want to by Apple products?

Free market works except for those damn Svengali sales people at Apple that dupe those poor dummies into buying their product.

42 posted on 03/22/2012 11:25:18 AM PDT by itsahoot (Tag lines are a waste of bandwidth, as are my comments.)
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To: JSteff
A $29 tracfone will let you talk just as clearly and for far less.

Which explain why apple is doomed,

The iPhone is a great computer that happens to have a crappy phone built in. I don't carry one to make phone calls, but I carry one, and if I am going to be in the car I carry an iPad. You apparently don't have a clue what they are for.

43 posted on 03/22/2012 11:31:04 AM PDT by itsahoot (Tag lines are a waste of bandwidth, as are my comments.)
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To: RightOnline
You have a smart phone? Data plan. You have a 4G tablet? Yet another data plan. Have a hot spot? Still ANOTHER data plan.

Actually, with tethering, you only need one - on your phone. Just use a WiFi iPad. I bought the iPad 3 WiFi and like it - as a significant upgrade over my iPad 1. If I owned an iPad 2 it would have been a much harder sell.

LTE on the iPad seems to be an unnecessary extravagance at this time. Just wait until the iPhone 5 comes out and use it a a personal hotspot. Most people have their phones with them almost all the time and their iPads with them only part of the time, so keeping the data service on the phone only makes more economic sense.

44 posted on 03/22/2012 11:35:41 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: RinaseaofDs
Apple wants you synching via iTunes (of all things)

Strangely enough when I hook my iPhone to the computer it syncs just fine. You have to set it to back up to the cloud, i fact you must have an iCloud account to sync to the cloud, then you have to set that option on your computer. If you don't want to sync to the cloud, just don't select that option, have it sync to the computer, easy peasy.

45 posted on 03/22/2012 11:37:04 AM PDT by itsahoot (Tag lines are a waste of bandwidth, as are my comments.)
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To: itsahoot

Yes, however, that only works for files. It doesn’t work with your Outlook, or any other desktop office application I can think of.

I know it’ll take all the tunes you’ve ripped and synch them to the iPod. I do that with the kids all the time. Try synching your schedule, contacts, tasks, notes, email.


46 posted on 03/22/2012 11:41:13 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: RightOnline

Asus Padfone is an innovative product PLUS it solves the multiple phone/pad subscription plan situation.

Latest I read they don’t have a carrier yet, but it will come.

http://event.asus.com/mobile/padfone/


47 posted on 03/22/2012 11:58:35 AM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: RinaseaofDs
Try synching your schedule, contacts, tasks, notes, email.

I don't use outlook so I don;t have that problem, I synced all those things before the iCloud, and I still could, but I don't because I like to sync my iPhone from anywhere. I am 73 years old so I could care less about learning a new system, even Apple's changes are annoying. I actually don't even need an iPhone, I use it as an iPod, but it also has apps for most of my talk radio buddies, so I can get Levin anywhere. Navigon comes in handy, but I rarely drive anymore, so it is more a toy that I just hate to throw away. The Phone has an unlimited data plan so If I could get one of the grandkids to change numbers I would pass it on. Then move to the New iPad and use MagicJack to make free phone calls. I was kind of hoping for an intermediate size iPad that would be easy to carry, but hey I would like a nice 20 inch for my bedroom. {:-)

48 posted on 03/22/2012 12:03:55 PM PDT by itsahoot (Tag lines are a waste of bandwidth, as are my comments.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

I wonder if apple does this on purpose.

yesterday it was the overheating.

today it is these three items.

What will the fix be, more coupons?


49 posted on 03/22/2012 12:12:37 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory
I wonder if apple does this on purpose.

Apple doesn’t do it, the Apple hater do it. FUD is an industry.

50 posted on 03/22/2012 12:26:01 PM PDT by itsahoot (Tag lines are a waste of bandwidth, as are my comments.)
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