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Fatal Addiction: Ted Bundy's Final Interview
Pure Intimacy ^ | 1/24/89 | Dr James Dobson

Posted on 03/21/2012 8:05:22 PM PDT by Linda Frances

Ted: I’m no social scientist, and I don’t pretend to believe what John Q. Citizen thinks about this, but I’ve lived in prison for a long time now, and I’ve met a lot of men who were motivated to commit violence. Without exception, every one of them was deeply involved in pornography - deeply consumed by the addiction. The F.B.I.’s own study on serial homicide shows that the most common interest among serial killers is pornographers. It’s true.

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Fatal Addiction: Ted Bundy's Final Interview

Ted Bundy granted an interview to James Dobson just before he was executed on January 24, 1989.

Watch online Fatal Addiction: Ted Bundy's Final Interview For more information about Ted Bundy's anniversary interview with Dr. Dobson, visit CitizenLink.com for news reports, expert analysis and excerpts from the interview.

The Interview Ted Bundy, an infamous serial killer, granted an interview to psychologist James Dobson just before he was executed on January 24, 1989. In that interview, he described the agony of his addiction to pornography. Bundy goes back to his roots, explaining the development of his compulsive behavior. He reveals his addiction to hard-core pornography and how it fueled the terrible crimes he committed.

A road that leads to nowhere When Ted Bundy was thirteen years old, he discovered “dirty magazines” in a dump near his home. He was instantly captivated by them. In time, Bundy became more and more addicted to violent images in magazines and videos. He got his kicks from seeing women being tortured and murdered. When he tired of that, there was only one place his addiction could go - from fantasy to reality.

Bundy, a good-looking, intelligent law student, learned to lure women into his car by various forms of deception. He would put a cast on his arm or leg, then walk across a university campus carrying several books. When he saw an interesting coed standing or walking alone, he’d “accidentally” drop the books near her. The girl would help him gather them and take them to his car. Then he would entice her or push her into the vehicle where she was taken captive. After he had molested the girl and the rage of passion had passed, she would be killed and Bundy would dump her body in a region where it would not be found for months. This went on for years.

By the time he was apprehended, Bundy had killed at least twenty-eight young women and girls in acts too horrible to contemplate. He was finally convicted and sentenced to death for killing a twelve-year-old girl and dumping her body in a pigsty. After more than ten years of appeals and legal maneuvering, a judge gave the order for Bundy’s execution. That week, he asked an attorney to call me and request that I come to Florida State Prison for a final interview.

When I arrived, I discovered a circus-like atmosphere outside the prison. Teenagers carried signs saying “Burn, Bundy, Burn,” and “You’re Dead, Ted.” Also in the crowd were more than 300 reporters who had come to get a story on the killer’s last hours, but Bundy wouldn’t talk to them. He had something important to say, and he believed the media couldn’t be trusted to report it accurately. Therefore, I was invited to bring a camera crew to record his last comments from death.

I’ll never forget that experience. I went through seven steel doors and metal detectors so sensitive that my tie tack and the nails in my shoes were enough to set off an alarm. Finally, I reached an inner chamber where Bundy and I were to meet. He was brought in, strip-searched, and then surrounded by six prison guards while he talked to me. Midway through our conversation, the lights suddenly went dim.

Ted said, “Just wait a moment, and they will come back on.”

I didn’t realize until later what had happened. The prisoner knew that his executioners were testing the electric chair that would take his life the next morning.

Ted Bundy wanted to tell the world about pornography What was it that Ted Bundy was so anxious to say? He felt he owed it to society to warn of the dangers of hard-core pornography and to explain how it had led him to murder so many innocent women and girls. With tears in his eyes, he described the monster that took possession of him when he had been drinking. His craze to kill was always inflamed by violent pornography. Quoted below is an edited transcript of the conversation that occurred just seventeen hours before Ted was led to the electric chair.

James C. Dobson: It is about 2:30 in the afternoon. You are scheduled to be executed tomorrow morning at 7:00, if you don’t receive another stay. What is going through your mind? What thoughts have you had in these last few days?

Ted: I won’t kid you to say it is something I feel I’m in control of or have come to terms with. It’s a moment-by-moment thing. Sometimes I feel very tranquil and other times I don’t feel tranquil at all. What’s going through my mind right now is to use the minutes and hours I have left as fruitfully as possible. It helps to live in the moment, in the essence that we use it productively. Right now I’m feeling calm, in large part because I’m here with you.

JCD: For the record, you are guilty of killing many women and girls.

Ted: Yes, that’s true.

JCD: How did it happen? Take me back. What are the antecedents of the behavior that we’ve seen? You were raised in what you consider to be a healthy home. You were not physically, sexually or emotionally abused.

Ted: No. And that’s part of the tragedy of this whole situation. I grew up in a wonderful home with two dedicated and loving parents, as one of 5 brothers and sisters. We, as children, were the focus of my parent’s lives. We regularly attended church. My parents did not drink or smoke or gamble. There was no physical abuse or fighting in the home. I’m not saying it was “Leave it to Beaver”, but it was a fine, solid Christian home. I hope no one will try to take the easy way out of this and accuse my family of contributing to this. I know, and I’m trying to tell you as honestly as I know how, what happened.

As a young boy of 12 or 13, I encountered, outside the home, in the local grocery and drug stores, softcore pornography. Young boys explore the sideways and byways of their neighborhoods, and in our neighborhood, people would dump the garbage. From time to time, we would come across books of a harder nature - more graphic. This also included detective magazines, etc., and I want to emphasize this. The most damaging kind of pornography - and I’m talking from hard, real, personal experience - is that that involves violence and sexual violence. The wedding of those two forces - as I know only too well - brings about behavior that is too terrible to describe.

JCD: Walk me through that. What was going on in your mind at that time?

Ted: Before we go any further, it is important to me that people believe what I’m saying. I’m not blaming pornography. I’m not saying it caused me to go out and do certain things. I take full responsibility for all the things that I’ve done. That’s not the question here. The issue is how this kind of literature contributed and helped mold and shape the kinds of violent behavior.

JCD: It fueled your fantasies.

Ted: In the beginning, it fuels this kind of thought process. Then, at a certain time, it is instrumental in crystallizing it, making it into something that is almost a separate entity inside.

JCD: You had gone about as far as you could go in your own fantasy life, with printed material, photos, videos, etc., and then there was the urge to take that step over to a physical event. Ted: Once you become addicted to it, and I look at this as a kind of addiction, you look for more potent, more explicit, more graphic kinds of material. Like an addiction, you keep craving something which is harder and gives you a greater sense of excitement, until you reach the point where the pornography only goes so far - that jumping off point where you begin to think maybe actually doing it will give you that which is just beyond reading about it and looking at it.

JCD: How long did you stay at that point before you actually assaulted someone?

Ted: A couple of years. I was dealing with very strong inhibitions against criminal and violent behavior. That had been conditioned and bred into me from my neighborhood, environment, church, and schools.

I knew it was wrong to think about it, and certainly, to do it was wrong. I was on the edge, and the last vestiges of restraint were being tested constantly, and assailed through the kind of fantasy life that was fueled, largely, by pornography.

JCD: Do you remember what pushed you over that edge? Do you remember the decision to “go for it”? Do you remember where you decided to throw caution to the wind?

Ted: It’s a very difficult thing to describe - the sensation of reaching that point where I knew I couldn’t control it anymore. The barriers I had learned as a child were not enough to hold me back from seeking out and harming somebody.

JCD: Would it be accurate to call that a sexual frenzy?

Ted: That’s one way to describe it - a compulsion, a building up of this destructive energy. Another fact I haven’t mentioned is the use of alcohol. In conjunction with my exposure to pornography, alcohol reduced my inhibitions and pornography eroded them further.

JCD: After you committed your first murder, what was the emotional effect? What happened in the days after that?

Ted: Even all these years later, it is difficult to talk about. Reliving it through talking about it is difficult to say the least, but I want you to understand what happened. It was like coming out of some horrible trance or dream. I can only liken it to (and I don’t want to overdramatize it) being possessed by something so awful and alien, and the next morning waking up and remembering what happened and realizing that in the eyes of the law, and certainly in the eyes of God, you’re responsible. To wake up in the morning and realize what I had done with a clear mind, with all my essential moral and ethical feelings intact, absolutely horrified me.

JCD: You hadn’t known you were capable of that before?

Ted: There is no way to describe the brutal urge to do that, and once it has been satisfied, or spent, and that energy level recedes, I became myself again. Basically, I was a normal person. Ted: I wasn’t some guy hanging out in bars, or a bum. I wasn’t a pervert in the sense that people look at somebody and say, “I know there’s something wrong with him.” I was a normal person. I had good friends. I led a normal life, except for this one, small but very potent and destructive segment that I kept very secret and close to myself. Those of us who have been so influenced by violence in the media, particularly pornographic violence, are not some kind of inherent monsters. We are your sons and husbands. We grew up in regular families. Pornography can reach in and snatch a kid out of any house today. It snatched me out of my home 20 or 30 years ago. As diligent as my parents were, and they were diligent in protecting their children, and as good a Christian home as we had, there is no protection against the kinds of influences that are loose in a society that tolerates....

JCD: Outside these walls, there are several hundred reporters that wanted to talk to you, and you asked me to come because you had something you wanted to say. You feel that hardcore pornography, and the door to it, softcore pornography, is doing untold damage to other people and causing other women to be abused and killed the way you did.

Ted: I’m no social scientist, and I don’t pretend to believe what John Q. Citizen thinks about this, but I’ve lived in prison for a long time now, and I’ve met a lot of men who were motivated to commit violence. Without exception, every one of them was deeply involved in pornography - deeply consumed by the addiction. The F.B.I.’s own study on serial homicide shows that the most common interest among serial killers is pornographers. It’s true.

JCD: What would your life have been like without that influence?

Ted: I know it would have been far better, not just for me, but for a lot of other people - victims and families. There’s no question that it would have been a better life. I’m absolutely certain it would not have involved this kind of violence.

JCD: If I were able to ask the kind of questions that are being asked, one would be, “Are you thinking about all those victims and their families that are so wounded? Years later, their lives aren’t normal. They will never be normal. Is there remorse?”

Ted: I know people will accuse me of being self-serving, but through God’s help, I have been able to come to the point, much too late, where I can feel the hurt and the pain I am responsible for. Yes. Absolutely! During the past few days, myself and a number of investigators have been talking about unsolved cases - murders I was involved in. It’s hard to talk about all these years later, because it revives all the terrible feelings and thoughts that I have steadfastly and diligently dealt with - I think successfully. It has been reopened and I have felt the pain and the horror of that.

I hope that those who I have caused so much grief, even if they don’t believe my expression of sorrow, will believe what I’m saying now; there are those loose in their towns and communities, like me, whose dangerous impulses are being fueled, day in and day out, by violence in the media in its various forms - particularly sexualized violence. What scares me is when I see what’s on cable T.V. Some of the violence in the movies that come into homes today is stuff they wouldn’t show in X-rated adult theatres 30 years ago.

JCD: The slasher movies?

Ted: That is the most graphic violence on screen, especially when children are unattended or unaware that they could be a Ted Bundy; that they could have a predisposition to that kind of behavior.

JCD: One of the final murders you committed was 12-year-old Kimberly Leach. I think the public outcry is greater there because an innocent child was taken from a playground. What did you feel after that? Were they the normal emotions after that?

Ted: I can’t really talk about that right now. It’s too painful. I would like to be able to convey to you what that experience is like, but I won’t be able to talk about that. I can’t begin to understand the pain that the parents of these children and young women that I have harmed feel. And I can’t restore much to them, if anything. I won’t pretend to, and I don’t even expect them to forgive me. I’m not asking for it. That kind of forgiveness is of God; if they have it, they have it, and if they don’t, maybe they’ll find it someday.

JCD: Do you deserve the punishment the state has inflicted upon you?

Ted: That’s a very good question. I don’t want to die; I won’t kid you. I deserve, certainly, the most extreme punishment society has. And I think society deserves to be protected from me and from others like me. That’s for sure. What I hope will come of our discussion is that I think society deserves to be protected from itself. As we have been talking, there are forces at loose in this country, especially this kind of violent pornography, where, on one hand, well-meaning people will condemn the behavior of a Ted Bundy while they’re walking past a magazine rack full of the very kinds of things that send young kids down the road to being Ted Bundys. That’s the irony.

I’m talking about going beyond retribution, which is what people want with me. There is no way in the world that killing me is going to restore those beautiful children to their parents and correct and soothe the pain. But there are lots of other kids playing in streets around the country today who are going to be dead tomorrow, and the next day, because other young people are reading and seeing the kinds of things that are available in the media today.

JCD: There is tremendous cynicism about you on the outside, I suppose, for good reason. I’m not sure there’s anything you could say that people would believe, yet you told me (and I have heard this through our mutual friend, John Tanner) that you have accepted the forgiveness of Jesus Christ and are a follower and believer in Him. Do you draw strength from that as you approach these final hours?

Ted: I do. I can’t say that being in the Valley of the Shadow of Death is something I’ve become all that accustomed to, and that I’m strong and nothing’s bothering me. It’s no fun. It gets kind of lonely, yet I have to remind myself that every one of us will go through this someday in one way or another.

JCD: It’s appointed unto man.

Ted: Countless millions who have walked this earth before us have gone through this, so this is just an experience we all share.

Ted Bundy was executed at 7:15 am the day after this conversation was recorded.

Life on the Edge, Dr. James Dobson, Copyright © 1995 Word Publishing, Nashville, Tennessee. All rights reserved.

1 posted on 03/21/2012 8:05:31 PM PDT by Linda Frances
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To: Linda Frances

I’ve only posted a few things here. I think I did someone wrong???


2 posted on 03/21/2012 8:07:35 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Only God can change a heart, but we can pray for hearts to be changed)
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To: Linda Frances

I don’t give rat’s behind what Ted Bundy thought. About anything.


3 posted on 03/21/2012 8:11:39 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Ted’s final con job, trying to portray himself as a “victim.”


4 posted on 03/21/2012 8:13:06 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Linda Frances

A lot of men look at porn, it’s the nature of the beast - men like to look at women, especially naked women

Normal men don’t then go and kill young women, dump their bodies in secluded areas, and then return to have sexual intercourse with the rotting corpses.

I dont’t believe a word of what psychopath Bundy says about his crimes. He was a master manipulator. You want to believe something as simple as “I was addicted to porn” Bundy’s fooled you too.


5 posted on 03/21/2012 8:22:56 PM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: KosmicKitty
I remember that interview. Bundy blamed his sickness on "pornography".

Millions of young boys saw naked ladies in his dad's "stash". We all grew up OK.

I liked seeing naked females. I did not want to mutilate and rape them.

6 posted on 03/21/2012 8:32:48 PM PDT by boop (I hate hippies and dopeheads. Just hate them. ...Ernest Borgnine)
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To: dfwgator

They fried his ass close to here.


7 posted on 03/21/2012 8:35:00 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: boop

I was attending UF when Ted had his date with “Old Sparky.” Me and my friends held a party to celebrate Ted riding the lighting, we even made French Fries.


8 posted on 03/21/2012 8:37:09 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: EEGator

I only wish Danny Rolling fried on Old Sparky, instead of getting the needle.


9 posted on 03/21/2012 8:39:27 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: EEGator
By the way, if you DO like to kill women, here's the result:
10 posted on 03/21/2012 8:39:58 PM PDT by boop (I hate hippies and dopeheads. Just hate them. ...Ernest Borgnine)
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To: dfwgator

Just in time for Danny Rolling.


11 posted on 03/21/2012 8:40:19 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: boop

He never looked better.


12 posted on 03/21/2012 8:41:10 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: dfwgator

You beat me to it. Disregard post 11


13 posted on 03/21/2012 8:43:19 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: KosmicKitty

Normal men don’t. We cannot know what caused Bundy to go over the edge, really, but Scripture says that we all, except for the grace of God, are capable of murder. Some of us have expressed thoughts that Jesus would regard as murderous thoughts, so we need to be careful that we do not judge his motives for disclosing what he’d done. What he did was evil, but sin is sin in God’s eyes, so let us be careful that we do not sin in our own hearts. I’m glad he acknowledged his sins, that he understood that there was nothing that would ever compensate for the loss of those women and young girls. A very sad story for everybody. It doesn’t right anything, but it does give evidence of the evils of pornography. It IS addictive. Some say it’s not rue, and for some it will not become so, but for too many others, it is like the first hit of heroin or cocaine.


14 posted on 03/21/2012 8:45:36 PM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: boop

I don’t like to kill women.


15 posted on 03/21/2012 8:46:16 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Linda Frances

Ted Bundy was a sociopath who savagely beat, raped, and mutilated women. He loved publicity, as he made clear in his trial.

Dr. Dobson had no proof of what Bundy said beyond Bundy’s own word. The word of a man whose last violent act was to slaughter a 12 year old and leave her body in a pig shed.

There are mothers and fathers still out there today who will themselves die and go to their own graves no knowing where their children are buried because Ted Bundy didn’t get a postponement of his sentence in exchange for his confession.

Further, Bundy later recanted what he’d said to Dr. Dobson. This interview is literally worth nothing except to act as torture for those whose children are still missing. This was Ted Bundy blaming everyone for everything and accepting no blame himself.

Frankly, and in plain language, Dr. Dobson was wrong to give Bundy the platform. He was flat out wrong to give him publicity. Bundy never before or after said that pornography was an issue, and flat out denied that it was a factor in interviews after the fact.

Unholy monsters like Ted Bundy deserve a bullet through the skull, and not one thing more.


16 posted on 03/21/2012 8:58:56 PM PDT by mountainbunny (Seamus Sez: "Good dogs don't let their masters vote for Mitt!")
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To: Linda Frances

Hmmm..., well, if porn is the intersection of Ted Bundy and Rick Santorum then what is the intersection of Mitt Romney and John Wayne Gacy...? Clowns...?


17 posted on 03/21/2012 9:05:04 PM PDT by freebilly (Obama Sings While America Sinks....)
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To: Linda Frances

Ted Bundy, walking the green mile, and having a little last minute fun with old Rev. Dobson. Walking the mile while having blaming it on porn instead of his own mental disease.
Sittin’ in Ole Sparky thinking of his last little joke...

Bundy was a lying, manipulating sociopath, during this interview, and to the final jolt.


18 posted on 03/21/2012 9:05:51 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: boop
Huge, huge difference between enjoying the centerfold of Playboy and getting into the type of sick violence mixed with porn crap which Dr. Dobson interviewed Bundy about. A buddy of mine in the upper echelons law enforcement has been in on the arrest of some of the most vile humans imaginable-- the type who deserve to be kicked off the planet. He says, without exception, they are all into the porno and violence mix. Discovering their stash of violent porn is more common, even, than discovering their stash of drugs.

I have to believe Bundy was on the level for at least this time in his life.

19 posted on 03/21/2012 9:10:05 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: boop
Huge, huge difference between enjoying the centerfold of Playboy and getting into the type of sick violence mixed with porn crap which Dr. Dobson interviewed Bundy about. A buddy of mine in the upper echelons law enforcement has been in on the arrest of some of the most vile humans imaginable-- the type who deserve to be kicked off the planet. He says, without exception, they are all into the porno and violence mix. Discovering their stash of violent porn is more common, even, than discovering their stash of drugs.

I have to believe Bundy was on the level for at least this time in his life.

20 posted on 03/21/2012 9:13:49 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman
Also common among serial killers:
21 posted on 03/21/2012 9:20:22 PM PDT by DaveyB (Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. -John Adams)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Looking at some dirty magazines, reading Detective Magazine and watching slasher movies are not going to turn you into a serial killer. If that was true half of America would be crazed psychopaths. When I was a teenager we used to read Detective Magazine once in awhile. It was pretty tame. My sister and I have probably seen every slasher movie ever made. So far no murders unless she’s holding out on me.

The guy was a psychopath. Wasn’t it the pop star Blondie that said she got in the car with Bundy once? He pulled up to her on the street and offered to give her a ride. After she got in the car she realized the the door handle on the inside was missing. He was acting weird and she got scared and finally somehow got the door open and jumped out while the car was moving. Later she saw him on TV and realized he was the same guy who picked her up.


22 posted on 03/21/2012 9:39:10 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Well, correlation doesn’t equal causation. It’s true that for the majority of ordinary, well adjusted men, domination is a part of sexual arousal. It’s a part of the normal human sexual dynamic, that men naturally get aroused by a sense of power or virility, and women get aroused by men who express those qualities as well. So to say that it is a causal factor in murderous behavior would require a whole lot of evidence, and not just the kind of correlation you are pointing out.

The more likely scenario, is that men who happen to have tendencies towards deviant violent behavior, whatever the root cause, are more drawn to fantasy materials that reflect these themes than ordinary men. That doesn’t equate to the materials causing the behavior or the tendencies, but it could be an aggravating factor in them going from fantasizing to acting out on their fantasies.


23 posted on 03/21/2012 10:15:19 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Georgia Girl 2

“If that was true half of America would be crazed psychopaths”

Yes, this is what a lot of these crusaders seem to completely fail to grasp. If being exposed to materials that Bundy talks about turns you into a psycho, then millions and millions of men would be psychos. Conversely, if only psychos derived enjoyment from these materials, given the rarity of their conditions, there wouldn’t be a profitable mass market for the purveyors. All one has to do to see that there is such a market is to poke your head into the seedier side of the internet nowadays.


24 posted on 03/21/2012 10:19:06 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: dfwgator

“Ted’s final con job, trying to portray himself as a “victim.”

Yep. Bundy was a sociopathic sexual thrill killer. And a sociopathic liar to boot. He never did confess to several girls he almost certainly killed.

The porn con job was his final “FuchU” to society. This “news” about the Bundy “porn made me do it” scam is only about 23 years old.

We’re so lucky his final killings occurred in Florida, a state that knows how to deal with people like that.


25 posted on 03/21/2012 10:23:41 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Linda Frances

Regular porn is nothing like porn that has violence in it. And there is no “natural”progression from one to the other, someone has to have been damaged by a woman or had terrible relationships with women, plus a lot of other things wrong with them to even consider that to be what they would want to do to someone else.


26 posted on 03/21/2012 10:31:24 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
That's the point. Men who read Playboy or even Hustler DON'T kill women. However Men who kill women have a tendency to read porn. Often of the violent kind.

A sicko happens to enjoy porn, too.

Even if porn never existed these guys would still kill women. Bundy was being an ass$ole "blaming" his rampage on viewing naked ladies in a magazine.

27 posted on 03/21/2012 10:34:24 PM PDT by boop (I hate hippies and dopeheads. Just hate them. ...Ernest Borgnine)
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To: Linda Frances

Con man. Nothing more..nothing less.

They all have some kind of excuse to exonerate themselves.


28 posted on 03/21/2012 10:38:41 PM PDT by berdie
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To: Linda Frances
Ted: I’m no social scientist

Nope, he wasn't. What he was, was a manipulative, calculating serial killer. Ted Bundy's endorsement does not help any viewpoint.
29 posted on 03/21/2012 10:40:29 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Linda Frances

Doesn’t look like “conservative” men on FR understand even yet.


Billy Graham:

Pornography treats people as mere objects to be used for our own selfish gratification. Pornography also destroys the meaning of true love. The Bible is clear: “But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality,
or of any kind of impurity” (Ephesians 5:3).

Never forget that what goes on in our minds eventually influences the way we act. Jesus warned, “I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart” (Matthew 5:28).

Make it your goal to keep your mind pure, as well as your
body.


30 posted on 03/21/2012 11:01:28 PM PDT by donna (Republicans won't change their ways until conservatives draw the line.)
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To: Vigilanteman
I agree with you Vigilanteman. I'm female and I've viewed porn before, slasher horror films, etc

But what Ted Bundy was interested in wasn't your typical Playboy as you say. And you can't just find it on the Internet. It's extremely violent pornography that most men would turn off and be disgusted by. I'm not saying that sort of thing caused Bundy’s murderous rages, but it certainly didn't help and was more like pouring gasoline on an already burning fire.

What always scared me about Ted Bundy was that he could seem so rational and normal. I picture myself at 18 helping someone with a broken arm, although I thought of myself as always super cautious. I have two daughters and I fear how many people like him are out there. It scares me to even think about it.

31 posted on 03/21/2012 11:08:08 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: Secret Agent Man

My postulation is a stretch to say the least. I’m not an analyst, but I do think my argument could be proven by thinking outside the box. Bad Karma could be a close description. How is bad Karms unleashed such that innocent people are laid waste to? Perfect posession is another term. Unbalanced. Might have been able to be cured with MRI treatment.
I base my guess on these excerpts from the article:

“no way to describe the brutal urge to do that, and once it has been satisfied, or spent, and that energy level recedes, I became myself again.”

“Then, at a certain time, it is instrumental in crystallizing it, making it into something that is almost a separate entity inside.”

“a compulsion, a building up of this destructive energy
It was like coming out of some horrible trance or dream”

“liken it to being possessed by something so awful and alien”
“brutal urge to do that, and once it has been satisfied, or spent, and that energy level recedes”

He was a living breathing Twilight Zone episode, with part of his phyche inhabited from an alternate reality or dimesion. He had lost touch with reality, which fed off of itself. In other words he became a devil worshipper in his own mind. There are characters in the Fringe series something akin to what I describe, however I am having a mental block right now on what they call them though.

My guess is, the voices in his head never ceased for him, but he fed off them instead. He never could just come out and say he listened to the voices in his head and acted on them. If most people hearing evil voices in there heads got treatment instead and just said no to them, based on their knowledge of right and wrong, then the rest of us wouldn’t have to be in a constant state of situational awareness and could sleep better at night.

His dying by electrocution could have screwed up the FABRIC OF TIME for his whole life, making him suseptible to listening to the voices in his head, for which he was completely unable to deal with, because he lost his moral compass. He probably never really accepted Christ for one thing, and was never capable of uttering “get thee behind me in the name of Jesus Christ,” to the satan that confronted him.


32 posted on 03/22/2012 12:08:53 AM PDT by quickquiver (No, means N O.)
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To: donna
Conservatives in general will agree with you and everything you quoted Billy Graham as saying. But here is one conservative who will not agree with any suggestion that the "solution" to psychopathic murder is to ban pornography.

It is to be noted that Ted Bundy credits alcohol abuse as well as hard-core pornography with stimulating his madness. Yet I would not believe that you or any other conservative on this forum would realistically advocate the return of prohibition in order to control psychopathic murderers.

Billy Graham speaks to the individual and his relationship with God but conservatism speaks to the individual and his relationship with government which is an entirely different matter. That which is good and meet for the individual in his relationship with God is not necessarily a reason to legislate.

I believe that social conservatives, of whom I count myself one on many issues, do a great disservice to our cause and to their own cause when they seek to legislate in areas best left to the grace of God.

I would agree with the posters who have suggested that a psychopath might be interested in pornography and the causation might run the other way, in other words, the pathology precedes and creates interest in pornography rather than pornography generating the pathology. I also agree with the posters who suggest that anecdotal evidence is not persuasive because, even if true that most of the serial murderers and rapists indulge in pornography, that does not show causation because coincidence does not prove causation.

One might say that who cares which came first, the chicken or the egg, pornography or the pathology, because there is nothing uplifting about pornography even if it does no harm. So there is absolutely no reason not to ban it. But one might apply that logic to bringing back prohibition and banning alcohol. The unintended consequences of legislating in these areas cannot be fully understood much less anticipated.


33 posted on 03/22/2012 12:24:42 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: KosmicKitty

I read a statistic in The New York Post about four or five years ago that said 22% of the people who view porn on the internet are women. I wonder if that explains female public school teachers raping young boys.


34 posted on 03/22/2012 12:31:15 AM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Linda Frances; All
I know wikipedia isn't all that great, but there was a lot more going on in his household then it being a “good Christian home”, with signs of insanity from an early age. Take a look at the wiki page.
35 posted on 03/22/2012 12:33:59 AM PDT by MacMattico
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To: nathanbedford

As always, your posts are too long to read and if one does, they are boring. Don’t waste you time.


36 posted on 03/22/2012 12:50:49 AM PDT by donna (Republicans won't change their ways until conservatives draw the line.)
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To: Linda Frances

i think you did fine linda. thank you for this post. this is probably one of the few instances where statistics are showing a real effect on those men and boys prone to criminal behavior.

i have no doubt of the spiritual corruption porn inflicts young boys and men. as a young man, i never realized just how much it weakened my character and interfered with my relationships with women until i decided to just stop looking at any of it. i stopped going to hollywood movies. i stopped watching crappy tv shows. i immediately noticed an improvement in my life and spiritual condition.

i wish i had never been exposed to any of it as a young man and i’m glad God has given me the strength and wisdom now to keep it away from my young children. this article strengthens that conviction further.


37 posted on 03/22/2012 12:52:06 AM PDT by dadfly
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To: Linda Frances
Since the late 1980s when Bundy was active, rape and murder have plunged in the US.* There is actually a pretty strong negative correlation between the availability of porn and these crimes. To put it another way, if porn were causal, wouldn't you expect an increase in rape and murder?

* http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

38 posted on 03/22/2012 1:04:50 AM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: donna
Perhaps reading Twitter would tax your attention span less.


39 posted on 03/22/2012 1:51:03 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Ken H

Decrease in electrocutions.


40 posted on 03/22/2012 2:05:08 AM PDT by quickquiver (No, means N O.)
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To: Linda Frances

One good thing we can all agree on.....

Today, American serial killers rarely get past three or four victims before they are caught.

Law enforcement cooperation, public awareness, the Internet, a shared criminal database, surveillance cameras, electronic transactions, cell phones, DNA, etc.....

A repeat violent criminal needs a lot of luck to stay out of jail these days.


41 posted on 03/22/2012 2:44:45 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: Linda Frances


42 posted on 03/22/2012 3:27:42 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas gerit ;-{)
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To: donna
As always, your posts are too long to read and if one does, they are boring. Don’t waste you time.

Nine Lines of a well-written, well-reasoned post are "too long to read" and "boring?"

Real problem is you disagree with him, but can't come up with any decent arguments.

Typical, and I don't know if it's a sad commentary on FR, society, or both.

43 posted on 03/22/2012 3:50:52 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Ken H

Actually, the fact that the murder and rape rate has DECLINED rapidly at the exact same time as:

1) Easy availability of internet porn has exploded
2) Introduction rapidly increasing popularity of violent video games
3) Popularity of Gangsta Rap, Death Metal, etc. has increased

Is an awfully inconvenient embarrassment for a lot of people for axes to grind, from across the political spectrum.


44 posted on 03/22/2012 4:07:12 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Linda Frances
Remind me again - how many times has Hugh Hefner been convicted of murder, manslaughter, assault and battery, any violence?

Not saying that Hefner is a model citizen living a model lifestyle, but somehow he seems to have avoided violent crime, and how much porn has he looked at anyway?

Accepting Ted Bundy’s excuses for his murders just makes the people accepting the excuses look like dingbats of the first order.

Alternative hypothesis: Ted was bored on death row, so he came up with various attention-getting cons, this being one of them. Give the marks what they want.

Ted Bundy ate food, therefore eating is a gateway to violent murders.

45 posted on 03/22/2012 4:46:20 AM PDT by Cheburashka (If life hands you lemons, government regulations will prevent you from making lemonade.)
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To: mountainbunny
Ted Bundy was executed 17 hours after this interview. Might have been last ditch effort to do something right after all he had done that was so horrific.He might have really believed what the bible said; that no matter what you do, if you come to God seeking forgiveness, he will forgive you; God knows every heart; whether you are truly sorry and changed your thinking, actions, life,and accept His will and ways and for Ted his punishment of execution. It does not matter what we think. God knows if he did it to put on a show or to just gain heaven period or if he really turned to God in true repentance. It's not for me to judge; God will be final and faithful true judge.
46 posted on 03/22/2012 5:08:25 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Only God can change a heart, but we can pray for hearts to be changed)
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To: Cheburashka
Ted bundy drove this:



Are VW drivers (like me) violent murderers?
47 posted on 03/22/2012 5:18:40 AM PDT by fredhead (It's my Herbie year...check out the number on the side of the famous VW.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I can understand that. I was just trying to show people what “illegal porn” leads to. The porn that Rick said he wanted laws enforced on.


48 posted on 03/22/2012 5:23:35 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Only God can change a heart, but we can pray for hearts to be changed)
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To: KosmicKitty

I was on a different thread and we would discussing the “illegal porn” that Rick want the laws enforced; there is a difference from this and legal porn. Rick does not want to add any new porn laws. I told someone I would post the difference.


49 posted on 03/22/2012 5:26:46 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Only God can change a heart, but we can pray for hearts to be changed)
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To: KosmicKitty; boop

I don’t think Bundy is talking about run of the mill porn here.


50 posted on 03/22/2012 5:28:41 AM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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