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Nine Ways the Jets Can Use Tebow (anti Christian bigotry)
Wall Street Journal ^ | March 2, 2012 | Kevin Clark, Scott Cacciola

Posted on 03/22/2012 8:16:13 AM PDT by garjog

Some of the nine ways:

"3. Team chaplain

Tebow's role as the Jets' unofficial team chaplain would blend nicely with his duties as custodian of the locker-room Swear Jar. All proceeds would go to a year-end pizza party.

4. Team chaperone ...

Based on our casual perusal of the sports pages, football players are no strangers to the social scene...

6. Make him the designated 'Hail Mary' guy....

7. Convert him to tailback.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Religion; Society; Sports
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To: garjog

I’ve got to be honest, I’m not sure he’s way off base.

I heard the GM of the Jets on the radio today, and he said outright they traded for him because he’s a good guy who can help the locker room. They have no intent of playing him beyond wildcat formations, and they mostly got him because their locker room is a mess and he’s a good guy.

He said that about 5 or 6 times.

So, it’s difficult then to argue with the premise of the article when the GM of the team says the same thing.


2 posted on 03/22/2012 8:19:33 AM PDT by hitchwolf
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To: garjog
NY(or is it NJ?) is definitely not the place for Tebow...it can only get worse...I know, I live here(unfortunately)...

For the most part, this is zer0bama country....where they don't cling to guns and religion....

otherwise known as pagan Marxist country.

3 posted on 03/22/2012 8:22:40 AM PDT by Vaquero (Molon Labe)
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To: hitchwolf

He starts with a plausible premise and puts a nasty bigoted spin on it.


4 posted on 03/22/2012 8:23:30 AM PDT by DManA
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To: garjog

Write to Kevin Clark at kevin.clark@wsj.com and Scott Cacciola at scott.cacciola@wsj.com

My email:

Hi Kevin. I was amazed by the religious bigotry on display in your satirical column this morning the the WSJ about Tim Tebow.

Are you that clueless? You insult millions of Christians when you make jokes about “hail mary”, “conversion guy” and suggest that Tebow, one of the most popular QB in history, should be the team chaplain and chaperone.

Would you print this kind of bigoted references to a highly admired man’s faith if he was a Muslim?

Would you make anti gay jokes if he was a member of the GBTL community?

If he advocated free contraception, would you make anti woman “slut” jokes?

Your jokes started my day off in a rage. And I don’t even like football.

Sorry, but I am telling all of my friends to let you know how un-pleased we are with the sports page today.


5 posted on 03/22/2012 8:24:51 AM PDT by garjog
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To: hitchwolf

As soon as Mark Sanchez has a bad game, Tebow will be in there...


6 posted on 03/22/2012 8:26:50 AM PDT by Beaten Valve
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To: hitchwolf

Well I find this really insulting.

See the photo.

http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/PJ-BG087B_SP_TE_G_20120321224702.jpg


7 posted on 03/22/2012 8:27:50 AM PDT by garjog
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Actually most of those are pretty accurate. And given the stuff we know about the Jets the “insulting” ones are more a slam on NYJ than Christians, they do need a team chaplain/ chaperone, this is the team with a foot fetishist for a coach, one receiver that’s served multiple drug suspensions and another receiver that shot himself accidentally.


8 posted on 03/22/2012 8:29:25 AM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: discostu
another receiver that shot himself accidentally.

Not so much a moral failing as a case of brazen stupidity.

9 posted on 03/22/2012 8:33:35 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo
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To: Beaten Valve

Well then the team will implode.

Have you see some of the Jets players reactions to this? Antonio Cromartie came right and said he hates it and wants to know why they did it.

The Titanic be sinking.


10 posted on 03/22/2012 8:35:32 AM PDT by hitchwolf
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To: garjog; hitchwolf; All
Shame on the WSJ!

No matter the intent of the writers, their sarcasm(?), wherever it was intended to point, only contributes to unenlightened public discourse about persons of faith in public places.

11 posted on 03/22/2012 8:41:14 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: garjog

Who do the Jets think their fans are — atheist intellectuals? Oh, wait, it’s New York...


12 posted on 03/22/2012 8:42:23 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The facts of life are Tory." -- Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Beaten Valve
As soon as Mark Sanchez has a bad game, Tebow will be in there...

Like that will be an improvement. Sanchez had better regular season stats than Tebow and Sanchez sucks. This season is shaping up to be a disaster. I should be used to it by now as a Jets fan, but it still stings.

13 posted on 03/22/2012 8:45:05 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: garjog

Very well done.

The anti-Christian double standard needs to be confronted with hammered with extreme prejudice, EVERY time it is deployed.


14 posted on 03/22/2012 8:45:39 AM PDT by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: hitchwolf

This is the equivalent of the Palins going to the DNC convention. It makes me sick because he is a good guy who is absolutely going to be trashed. But he knows this and maybe he figures it’s his calling to change hearts.

I feel really bad for him and what is coming but have to remember that Jesus went among sinners instead of sitting on a safe little throne. I know we should do the same as best we can. Still...I think they will do everything in their huge power and cruelty to tear him apart so they can be comfortable in their amoral world.


15 posted on 03/22/2012 8:47:58 AM PDT by Aria ( 2008 wasn't an election - it was a coup d'etat.)
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To: Thane_Banquo

A lot brazenly stupid people get there through moral failings. It’s usually a vast quantity of ego that makes them decide that not only does the law of man not apply, but also the laws of physics and common sense.


16 posted on 03/22/2012 8:47:58 AM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: hitchwolf

“Antonio Cromartie came right and said he hates it and wants to know why they did it.”

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I can understand the reservations on a purely football basis.

But, would Cromartie have the exact same reaction to ANY mediocre backup QB the Jets acquired?


17 posted on 03/22/2012 8:48:29 AM PDT by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: hitchwolf

Atheists don’t watch football.


18 posted on 03/22/2012 8:55:28 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: EyeGuy

Who gives a rip what cromartie thinks? He is a loser with a bad attitude, afraid to hit and fouls like crazy when gets beat. As a lifelong Charger fan I was elated to see him go. Watch some of his greatest “hits” and you will see that despite his physicality, he is negative and not just on the field. I think 8 illegitimate kids a last count. Could be more by now. You would think that all that alimony and support would have him playing harder but NOPE just coasting and flapping his gums. I am sure his opposition to Tebow has far more to do with a guilty conscience than any commentary on skills.


19 posted on 03/22/2012 9:00:01 AM PDT by 1malumprohibitum
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To: Lazlo in PA

Take a day off, PLEASE. Every Tebow thread has multiple posts by you “attempting” to appear like carefully considered critique. Everybody gets it, you can take a break now.


20 posted on 03/22/2012 9:03:31 AM PDT by 1malumprohibitum
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To: hitchwolf

On any team in the league, regardless of the starting QB, I believe a 3rd and 5 - 8 package with Tebow as QB would be interesting


21 posted on 03/22/2012 9:03:37 AM PDT by fso301
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To: 1malumprohibitum

Hey n00b. There have been 8 Tebow threads this week that I could quickly find. I have been on two. Beyond that, what is it to you on my opinion on this trade? If you don’t like it, tell me where I am wrong or move on. These are sports threads for crying out loud.


22 posted on 03/22/2012 9:16:21 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: 1malumprohibitum
As a lifelong Charger fan ...

Why are you bothering with matters concerning the Jets anyway? You don't care if they win or lose.

23 posted on 03/22/2012 9:19:12 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: EyeGuy

Yeah Cromartie would have. He’s got a long rep of having a flapping mouth. Heck it wouldn’t even have to be a mediocre QB, just somebody that doesn’t like the right rappers.


24 posted on 03/22/2012 9:20:49 AM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: Lazlo in PA
Bwahahahaha. Someone from 2008 is calling someone else a noob.

That's rich.

25 posted on 03/22/2012 9:26:31 AM PDT by NELSON111
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To: NELSON111

I was coming up with a polite slam. That all I could come up with at the time.


26 posted on 03/22/2012 9:34:59 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: hitchwolf

No one. No one is more of a class act in the NFL right now than Tim Tebow! 99% of those men’s men would be crying like babies if they’d endured what he’s put up with.


27 posted on 03/22/2012 10:01:11 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: discostu
I not sure what the Moral Condition dictates. have to do with the fact That TeBow is a professional Quarterback.

Does your remark suggest That ALL Christians who work in any profession should take on the role as Chaplin for that Organization?

NO it is taking a swat at a persons beliefs and making a joke out of it. And Lately It seems to be That If you are a professing Christian You are automatically Relegated to “stereotypical Hypocrites who hate and judge everyone” and add no value oh and are the butt of every moral joke.

28 posted on 03/22/2012 10:22:36 AM PDT by Sanity is my name
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To: Sanity is my name

He’s a team leader type with strong moral character now joining a team that desperately lacks in both. And the GM specifically mentioned that in the trade press conference.

All Christians that take on the Witness roll (which Tebow has) DO take on the roll of organizational chaplain. It’s part of being a witness.

It’s not taking a shot, it’s paying attention to the press conference and Tebow. Nobody said anything about hate and judge, that comes straight from you.


29 posted on 03/22/2012 10:32:49 AM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: garjog

Wow. Did you wake up this morning deciding to be a victim? If you’re offended by the “hail Mary” comment, maybe you should read the stats cited, and where you drummed up your outrage over “conversion guy” is beyond me. Maybe you should stop expecting to be offended and start paying attention to what was actually written.


30 posted on 03/22/2012 10:33:13 AM PDT by stormer
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To: NELSON111

+1


31 posted on 03/22/2012 10:35:11 AM PDT by stormer
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To: Lazlo in PA

Because I like Tim Tebow, as an athlete and as a person. I never liked the Broncos either but I rooted for them hard core after Tebow started playing for them. This was even when they were playing the Chargers and for the play offs. I will root for the Jets if he is playing and I will make sure I watch all their games just to see him play. I am simply tired of all the irrational anti christian hatred that gets sent his way. Especially when it is disguised as football/skills critique.

I have said it before on other Tebow threads, he came into this last season as a noob third stringer with no pre season and he did far better than anyone had any right to expect. The critique is that he did not do better (which is ridiculous) or that he did it ugly. I (and many others) can see that with a full off season and training he will continue to realize what his haters fear most. My only concern with going to the Jets is that they will not give him the training he deserves.


32 posted on 03/22/2012 11:43:14 AM PDT by 1malumprohibitum
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To: stormer

“Did you wake up this morning deciding to be a victim? “

Well, OK you maybe right. I actually didn’t get a chance to send the email since I was rushing off to work.

You think that the article is accurate and doesn’t make fun of the man’s religion.

Hmm. Seems to be that the language are gratuitous attacks on the man’s religion. Perhaps I was reacting more to the graphic. http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/PJ-BG087B_SP_TE_G_20120321224702.jpg

Other minorities, like gays, feminists and Muslims are treated deftly, but now it seems open season to make fun of Christians for no other reason than their faith.

Call me crazy but singling out a person’s religion for deprecation when it is unrelated to the news is unprofessional journalism, even if it is on the sports page in a satirical piece.

Tebow is known for the “hail marys” and the “conversion” reference is technically accurate but at the same time these references are double entendres that are meant to get a chuckle.

In other words, he may be a mediocre athlete, but way make fun of his religion?


33 posted on 03/22/2012 1:35:20 PM PDT by garjog
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To: 1malumprohibitum

Maybe he is reacting more to the idea of having someone with a clear moral behavior in his midst. Going to be a conscience for him.


34 posted on 03/22/2012 2:05:06 PM PDT by ican'tbelieveit (Washington,DC is FULL of people with Political Experience... How's that Working out for you??)
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To: garjog

You’re putting way too much effort into being offended if you think the hail mary and conversions references are double entendres. They’re standard football terms, they were standard football terms before Tebow was born, and assuming the sport finds a way to survive the concussion crisis they’ll be standard football terms long after he you and I are dead.


35 posted on 03/22/2012 2:08:22 PM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: discostu

“too much effort into being offended if you think the hail mary “

You think that since Hail Mary is a common football term, it isn’t intended as a joke.

But it is paired with other anti-Christian allusions that make me think it is part of a theme of making fun of Tebow’s faith.

*”Jeremy Lin Entourage Member” — that is an insult to both Christian athletes. Come on, can’ you see it?

*”Team chaplain” — no player is a team chaplain, so this is directly making fun of his faith. That is an unfair slam.

*Team chaperone” — why would they say this if not trying to be humorous at Tebow’s expense?

These are personal cuts to the guy’s religion I think.


36 posted on 03/22/2012 6:44:52 PM PDT by garjog
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To: garjog

It is repugnant to attack an athlete because of his faith.

“Why Are Anti-Christian Bigots So Eager to Prey On Tim Tebow?

By Todd Starnes, December 12, 2011, FoxNews.com

“It’s become something of a sport to attack Christians in this nation....

“Stephen Tullock, a linebacker for the Detroit Lions, personified the anti-Christian attacks when he mocked Tebow after sacking the quarterback. As Tebow picked himself up off the gridiron, Tullock started “Tebowing” – a mocking prayer on bended knee.

“I told a friend of mine that I might have a couple sacks this game and if I get him, I going to Tebow it,” Tulloch told the Denver Post.

“There was no outrage – no editorials of condemnation. There were no calls for religious tolerance – nothing but silence from the chattering class.

“Imagine for just a moment if Tebow had been a Muslim. Imagine Tullock sacking the quarterback and then pulling out a prayer rug and offering a mocking prayer toward Mecca. Imagine that..”

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/12/12/why-are-anti-christian-bigots-so-eager-to-prey-on-tim-tebow/


39 posted on 03/22/2012 7:48:29 PM PDT by garjog
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To: garjog

There’s nothing insulting about being a Jeremy Lin entourage member. In fact it’s a pretty apt joke, they’re both exciting players, both strong Christians, both now based in New York. In fact I wouldn’t doubt if they do hang out together.

You should inform the Reggie White era Green Bay Packers that no player is team chaplain. No insult there.

Remember who’s on the NYJ, they’ve got a foot fetishist head coach, they’ve got one wide receiver that’s served multiple drug suspensions, they’ve got another wide receiver who shot himself with an illegally concealed weapon while out drinking. The team NEEDS a chaperone.

None of those are personal cuts at Tebow. If there’s a slam at all it’s on Ryan, Holmes and Burress, the guys he’s suggesting get chaperoned.


40 posted on 03/23/2012 7:10:24 AM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: discostu

Great analysis. I guess I have to agree with you are others on this thread who corrected my first reaction to the article. My impression is that it was Tebow slamming again.

The media can be hard on him as I understand.

Maybe you are right. (I know and care almost nothing about football).

I didn’t send the email to the authors, I composed it then had to rush off to work.


41 posted on 03/23/2012 7:38:09 PM PDT by garjog
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To: garjog

The media is hard on all players putting up mediocre stats, it’s their job, sports media criticizes. Heck even guys that put up good stats but do other stuff that can be considered negative get slammed, that’s how they fill their time. Super awesome player is super awesome is boring copy, and in this day and age of multiple all sports TV networks, multiple all sports radio stations in every city, multiple sport magazines, and hundreds of sports websites nobody has time for boring copy. Tebow really doesn’t get slammed any more often than anybody else, the difference he’s got a larger group of more loyal fans that get irritated when he gets slammed.


42 posted on 03/24/2012 11:47:07 AM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: discostu

“nobody has time for boring copy.”

Yes, Tebow drama is probably making the sport writers happy. No conflict or criticism, boring stories.


43 posted on 03/24/2012 7:26:26 PM PDT by garjog
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