Skip to comments.‘Your God’s wrong’: Judge erupts in angry tirade, sends pro-life activist back to jail
Posted on 03/22/2012 12:56:37 PM PDT by Morgana
TORONTO, Ontario, March 22, 2012 (LifeSiteNews.com) An Ontario Court of Justice judge erupted in a lengthy, angry tirade against pro-life activist Mary Wagner and ejected a spectator from the public gallery in a downtown Toronto courtroom Wednesday. The judge then sent Wagner to jail for an additional 92 days, added to 88 days already served prior to trial, after finding her guilty of mischief and two counts of failing to comply with probation orders.
The charges related to Wagners November 8 arrest at the site of the Bloor West Village Womens Clinic. Wagner has been arrested on several occasions for peacefully entering abortion facilities in Toronto, where she presents women in the waiting room with a rose and offers them pro-life counseling.
The remarkable scene played itself out after Crown attorney Derek Ishak and defense counsel Russell Browne made a joint submission to Mr. Justice S. Ford Clements for time served plus a three-year probationary term. But Clements emphatically rejected the submission.
She can sit in jail, if thats the only way to protect people, he fulminated, calling Wagner cowardly for abusing other human beings and not having the courage to make her views known through other channels. This is an extraordinary waste of resources. Get a grip!
You dont get it, do you? Whats the rule of law? Youre required to abide by it Youve lost the right as a citizen to be anywhere near an abortion clinic or to speak to an employee, he said.
Youre wrong and your Gods wrong, he continued. You have complete contempt There is a right to (abortion) in this country You dont have a right to cause (abortion-seeking women) extra pain and grief the way you do.
[Abortion] is legal, he continued, thats all you have to understand You start causing people emotional pain and harm, you think thats okay?
He then asked Wagner whether she would stay away from abortion sites for three years as required by the proposed terms of probation.
I will not, Wagner replied firmly.
Then youre going to jail, said Clements.
Earlier, one of Wagners supporters in the public gallery spoke up and was addressed by Clements. These (life issues) are deeply held beliefs. We respect the rule of law. There are ways to change the law. The rule of law is absolutely fundamental. We see what happens in the streets when the rule of law is ignored, he said. You wouldnt like someone in your vestibule every night. People who cant deal with that, we lock them up.
When the man attempted to reply, he was ejected from the courtroom by Clements.
After a noon recess, Clements observed that joint submissions by the Crown and defense were not binding on a judge. He said in his view, the submission as it was would be contrary to the public interest and would bring the administration of justice into disrepute.
Asked whether she had anything to say prior to sentencing, Wagner said she saw the rule of law as a guidepost, not an absolute. The letter of the law does not always maintain justice abortion is a short-term solution but causes long-term pain, she said.
She added she never acts out of a lack of sensitivity, but rather attempts to love the women to whom she speaks. She also pointed to examples from history where people who were initially regarded as criminals were later found to be in the right.
Clements was unmoved. You have, in some measure, displayed utter contempt for the courts and the rights of others, he said. You appear to be governed by a higher moral order than the laws of our country.
Your determination to break the law is a potential threat to the well-being of society and plants the seeds of lawlessness, perhaps even anarchy You are unable to accord some civility and respect to others. Your view in law is wrong.
In concluding, Clements accepted the testimony of abortion site co-owner Patricia Hasen, who filed a victim impact statement that claimed financial hardship caused by Wagners actions, including the necessity to hire a counselor from another abortion site. Hasen also said she was scared a bit when Wagner allegedly held a door open, adding she doesnt trust this womans peaceful demeanour and worries about potential aggression. These people do not work alone.
Crown attorney Ishak, in his submissions, charged that pro-life activists prey upon the emotional vulnerability of abortion patients as they evidently pursue martyrdom. The flouting of laws, he charged, harken back to the Dark Ages and blurs the line between might and right. He suggested Wagners actions mark an increase in the aggressive nature of pro-life demonstrations, creating emotional distress.
There was no immediate word on whether Wagner planned to appeal either the verdicts or what amounted to a six-month jail sentence. There is also an option to file a complaint with the Ontario Judicial Council over Clementss statements and conduct in the courtroom. According to the OJC website, If you have a complaint of misconduct about a provincial judge or a justice of the peace, you must state your complaint in a signed letter. The letter of complaint should include the date, time and place of the court hearing and as much detail as possible about why you feel there was misconduct.
To write to Wagner in prison:
Mary Wagner Vanier Centre for Women 655 Martin St., Box 1040 Milton, ON L9T 5E6
Another case of the “law” being an a$$.
Coming to an American courthouse near you.
“The law is an arse...” Dickens
“Here stand I. I can do no other.” Martin Luther (upon posting the 95 Thesis)
Can American judge mention God in a courtroom without forcing an automatic appeal?
I guess, all I can say about this is how pleased God will be with his servant, Ms. Wagner. I suppose I could say more about the judge, but lost is lost.
My thoughts exactly. Those of us who believe are going to be challenged like this woman very soon. Keep watch! Evil is all around.
I’m not an abortion supporter but I wonder how we’d react if an atheist came into a church and started passing out atheist literature. Would the church members not have the right to remove him from the property? Someone explain to me how this is any different.
And the problem with this is.........what, exactly?
There’s no difference. Both are trespassing and should be treated accordingly if the owners are so inclined.
>> ...your Gods wrong, he continued.
He should consider changing his name to Rod.
>> You appear to be governed by a higher moral order than the laws of our country.
He says that like it’s a BAD thing!
A church is a little different from a medical office lobby. If she had gone back and disrupted procedures, that would be a better analogy... but she did not. Just so, an atheist handing out literature during a church service is a provocation far beyond what this woman did. Besides, most church-goers are like this woman and would be open to sharing their faith with the atheist. This conversation isn't a two way street.
In NC, we can't even pray on the side of the street with the abortion clinic. I sincerely doubt this prohibition applies to an atheist who wanted to pass out anti-Christian literature in front of a church.
But there is a difference. At the abortion clinic two people enter and only one exits.
But Canadian courts are marching to the beat of SHARIA ... http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/08/sharia_law_in_canada_and_brita.html
The first thing that came to mind was this:
If the woman had been a Muslim would he have treated her this way?
>> Someone explain to me how this is any different.
I don’t know where *you* worship, but in *my* congregation they don’t sign in those in the lobby and then take them back behind the altar rail and kill their babies.
I’d respectfully submit *that* as a difference.
Well...let’s see...one involves murder and the other doesn’t. I hope that clarifies things a bit.
An interesting point and one worth considering. We naturally sympathize with this women because we agree with her views, but the law has to enforced neutrally. If it's illegal for someone to walk into her church and pass out pro abortion literature, then it's just as illegal for her to walk into an abortion clinic and solicit for pro-life counseling services.
I think where the Judge got it wrong was the tone. He should have calmly explained the arguments you and me just made. Then told her she must stay away from the Clinic. Then when she refused, he should have said that although he admired her convictions and regretted having to do it, he would have to send her to jail, just as he would do to someone doing the same thing in her church that refused to stay away.
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