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Posted on 03/22/2012 12:56:37 PM PDT by Morgana
Cowardly? She's got the courage to stand up for her convictions and calmly defy you, you overreaching chucklehead.
Your final analysis is spot on.
One comment regarding the slave - the slave WAS the property, and slaves represented a large part of the owner’s capital assets. So, while a bit tenuous, the slave property/real property do have some parallels, though not perfect (but what analogy is perfect?).
In the Bible, in "Acts," you'll find many accounts of Apostles preaching in defiance of the "law."
God called on them to preach His Gospel, even though the authorities rejected it. They were beaten, imprisoned and murdered for their stand with Him. You don't strike me as one who would suffer for God; rather you would compromise with evil.
The legality of an action does not make it right, nor acceptable to God. Consider the actions of the NAZIs. Technically, their actions were "legal." Some churches chose to "go along" with the law. Do you think this was acceptable to our Lord?
If an atheist came into my Church, I'd consider that an incredible opportunity to witness for Jesus, the King of kings and the Lord of lords. I serve him rather than your temporal masters.
Bringing up the Nazis when there are innocent people (born or pre-born) being killed is completely legitimate. Bringing up the Nazis or the Taliban because someone thinks fornication, pornography, or public nudity is wrong and should be discouraged is a violation of Campion’s Law.
When Mormons come to my door, I let my sons talk to them about Boy Scouting, when we have time. The Jehovah’s Witnesses are neighbors and know I’ll be friendly and take their literature (which I sometimes read - forgiveness, sensible child rearing, and family togetherness are universal), so they can count me for their quota, and also my dog likes them.
“In NC, we can’t even pray on the side of the street with the abortion clinic. “
They arrested civil rights leaders for praying on the street in the 60’s.
Well...one gives honor and glory to Jesus and the other offers praise and the other gives honor and glory to molech.
Who do you worship, slumber1?
So...what would you choose?
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My God just happens to have created the universe.
What did this bozo ever do ? Collect a State salary ? Mumble a bunch of jibberish no one will remember or care about in a 100 years ?
‘Clements was unmoved. “You have, in some measure, displayed utter contempt for the courts and the rights of others,” he said. “You appear to be governed by a higher moral order than the laws of our country.”
You appear to be governed by a higher moral order!?! You think? That is kind of the whole point.
“You appear to be governed by a higher moral order!?! You think? That is kind of the whole point.”
Lib-ism only recognizes government as the Supreme Being.
Religion is an opiate for us Proles, remember ?
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God bless,
Alan
O Canada!
Land of our forefathers,
Thy brow is wreathed with a glorious garland of flowers.
As is thy arm ready to wield the sword,
So also is it ready to carry the cross
Thy history is an epic
Of the most brilliant exploits.
Thy valour steeped in faith ...
A society that will not defend the unborn ... soon, they will not defend themselves ... and will surrender and sue for peace when militarily invaded. The people feel guilty when fighting in defense of their homeland and soon stand down.
The abortion rate in Yugoslavia was the highest in Europe and plunged to almost zero ... as they blew up their country.
Pro-Life bump
i’d have to pray on it. and the situation and consequences would have to be real not hypothetical. it’s tough, i’ve got kids to support.
Yeah, and slavery was legal at one time, too, Your Dishonor.
God bless this brave woman.
If this were a liberal, everyone would be fawning over her, how “brave” and “wonderful” she was for “taking a stand”.
Oh, and one final thing, Judge: Her God is NEVER wrong!
(1) The atheist in slumber1's example is specified to be "handing out literature" and not "trying to protect someone who is about to be beheaded and dismembered."
You're right in thinking that handing out literature is not an absolute right (not always and everywhere) but attempting to save someone about to kill or be killed is not just always and everywhere a right, but a duty.
(2) Even if the arrestee was indeed just handing out literature (without any larger justification of preventing imminent bloodshed), a penalty of 88 days plus 92 days (total 6 months in jail) would be excessive.
The excessive severity of the penalty was apparently motivated by the judge's view that Mary Wagner's actions were "aggressive" and they "victimized people," when what she actually did (according to the record) was open a door, give one or more women roses, and speak to them by offering to help them.
Not aggressive, no victims.
See the differences?
Almost any law is properly set aside in application if there is a life-saving necsessity, and this is recognized in law. I don't know what the principle is called in Canada, but in US law it is called a "necessity defense" or "competing harms defense."
For instance: say you look into a parked car on a day when the temperature is 85 degrees, and see a baby in the back seat with the windows all closed and the doors locked, the the child sweat-drenched, red-faced and apparently unconscious. You can smash open a window, unlock the door, and take the child out of the car, before you even call 911. You could carry the baby into te nearby ER, or try to revive him yourself.
Ordinarily smashing the window of somebody's car, orening their locked car door, and removing their child against their express will would be property destruction, trespassing, abduction. Illegal. In this case, however, police would not arrest; charges would not be made; juries would not convict; judges would not sentence.
It doesn't even have to be for the sake of saving a child's life. You could even do it for a valuable dog.
There as a series of cases in the USA (IIRC in St. Louis in the 1980's) where pro-life defendants were acquitted on just these grounds. It should be so everywhere.
If somebody was for some reason (drunk, psychotic) about to smack a toddler on the head with a concrete block, would the proper response be going to a public thoroughfare and leafletting against head trauma?
Fair enough questions. If all the pro-abortion woman did, in your example, is exactly what Mary Wagner did (enter the property, hand out flowers, and talk in a reasonmable way, i.e. with no force or threat of force o coercion) it would be reasonable to request her to leave or to engage her in conversation. If it became necessary to arrest her (e..g it was closing time and she wouldn't leave) I think it would be reasonabel to have the police removfe her, but not arrest heer, and certainly nmot jail her for 6 months.
However this case is different, due to lives being in imminent danger.
Do you think the purpose of law is the protection life and property (in that order)?
Or is it "the orderly administration of injustice"?
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