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Jets QB Drew Stanton wants out
espn.com ^ | 3/22/2012 | Rich Cimini

Posted on 03/22/2012 2:06:43 PM PDT by Black_Shark

Tim Tebow's arrival in New York already has upset one New York Jets quarterback -- Drew Stanton.

The veteran backup, who signed a one-year, $1.25 million contract last Friday to be the No. 2 quarterback, has asked to be traded or released, a league source confirmed to ESPN Insider Adam Schefter.

The Jets are currently trying to trade Stanton, a source said.

Stanton is said to be unhappy because he was promised the No. 2 job and turned down more lucrative opportunities with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Kansas City Chiefs to play for the Jets. He received a $500,000 signing bonus, but he could have a hard time finding a new team because the backup jobs are filling up.

General manager Mike Tannenbaum confirmed earlier this week that Stanton was to be Mark Sanchez's primary backup, but the Jets changed the plan when they acquired Tebow late Wednesday night in a trade with the Denver Broncos.

"Tim is our backup quarterback. Mark is our starter," Tannenbaum said Thursday morning on ESPN Radio's "Mike and Mike in the Morning."

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Apparently John Elway turned down a better offer from Jacksonville (where Tebow would start) and instead accepted a worse offer from the Jets (Where Tebow would not start). The rumor going around is that Elway wanted to make sure that Tebow would not even have the opportunity to embarrass him with his play in Jacksonville; in the event of Peyton Manning getting injured. What a jackass.
1 posted on 03/22/2012 2:06:48 PM PDT by Black_Shark
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To: Black_Shark

Elway has always loathed Tebow.
The Jets have already said Tebow is 3rd string and they wont play him unless he changes IE stops talking about his faith.
So what’s Stanton’s beef.
Broncos, dumb move, Manning is 36 and one good hit from a wheel chair.


2 posted on 03/22/2012 2:11:33 PM PDT by svcw (CLEAN WATER & Education http://www.longlostsis.com/PI/MayanHelp2012.html)
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To: svcw

The Broncos did this to get rid of Tebow, the article states as much. If the Jets had any sense they would trade Tebow to Jacksonville and try to repair their locker room.

Btw, first time in my life that I am going to be rooting AGAINST Manning thanks to him being on the Broncos.


3 posted on 03/22/2012 2:15:55 PM PDT by Black_Shark
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To: Black_Shark

according to this guy: http://www.850koa.com/pages/krieger.html the offers were essentially a wash. It doesn’t sound like Jacksonville’s coaching staff did not want Tebow.


4 posted on 03/22/2012 2:17:38 PM PDT by ican'tbelieveit (Washington,DC is FULL of people with Political Experience... How's that Working out for you??)
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To: svcw

Huh? The Jets GM has made it clear that Tebow will be used in the Wildcat and is the #2 QB behind Sanchez. A lot of media guys were insisting Tebow would not be the #2 (to protect Sanchez’s supposedly fragile psyche more than anything else), but Tannenbaum clearly stated Tebow is his backup. He sounded like he felt sorry for Stanton.

Stanton would do well to follow Tebow’s example and count his blessings and make the best of things. Think about it, Tebow goes from being a #1, who led his team to a playoff win, to being a #2 for another team, and he embraces it, and has been nothing but positive.

Stanton gets demoted from #2 to #3 (not a whole lot of difference unless #1 gets hurt) while still making #2 money, and whines and cries like a spoiled, litttle girl.

A real man would just shut up, make the best of it, and if he is as good as he apparently thinks he is, beat out Tebow for the #2 spot in training camp.


5 posted on 03/22/2012 2:19:31 PM PDT by Above My Pay Grade (.)
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To: Black_Shark

Depends on how you look at picks. The NE dynasty has been built on 2 for 1 pick deals. A 4th and a 6th for a player you don’t like and a 7th is a pretty good deal.

As for the Jets mess, well it’s the Jets, they’re a mess.


6 posted on 03/22/2012 2:20:09 PM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: Black_Shark
Oops. Sorry. I thought this thread was going to be about sports.

No disrespect intended, but you folks are delusional.

7 posted on 03/22/2012 2:20:48 PM PDT by GSWarrior (Click HERE to read entire tagline.)
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To: Black_Shark
Oops. Sorry. I thought this thread was going to be about sports.

No disrespect intended, but you folks are delusional.

8 posted on 03/22/2012 2:21:02 PM PDT by GSWarrior (Click HERE to read entire tagline.)
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To: Black_Shark

What does Tebow’s contract say? With any luck he will be a free agent after a year and be able to go someplace else after a year like Farve.


9 posted on 03/22/2012 2:22:26 PM PDT by Average Al (Forbidden fruit leads to many jams.)
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To: ican'tbelieveit

I love it when they bring up the completion percentage. They seem to completely forget that Tebow won 2 National titles in College and that his O-Line was non-existant. Only Ben Roethlisberger has been proven to be better at passing when out of the pocket than in it and yet all the NFL “Experts” (Which is hilarious in and of itself; accurately judging and/or quantifying human behavior is nigh impossible) expect Tim to be a superstar out of the pocket.

Finally, let’s not forget that Tebow has one of the highest overall IQ’s of all QB’s and has by far and away the greatest work ethic. Methinks the NFL hates him because of his outspoken faith...


10 posted on 03/22/2012 2:22:42 PM PDT by Black_Shark
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To: GSWarrior

Delusional? Just because I A)think that Tebow will be an excellent QB due to his past and his amazing work ethic and B) think that Elway made a mistake?

Come talk to me when Manning is being carted off the field and is paralyzed for the rest of his life due to the Bronco’s O-line letting through everyone and their mother.


11 posted on 03/22/2012 2:25:13 PM PDT by Black_Shark
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To: GSWarrior

It is.
About what?


12 posted on 03/22/2012 2:26:02 PM PDT by svcw (CLEAN WATER & Education http://www.longlostsis.com/PI/MayanHelp2012.html)
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To: GSWarrior

66.7
66.9
64.4
70.1

Tebow’s college completion percentage. The guy can pass however it is very hard to pass accurately with A)receivers that would not even start on any other team and B) an o-line that couldn’t block a butterfly.

Let’s see what he can do with a decent O-line and decent receiver before you say I am delusional.


13 posted on 03/22/2012 2:28:31 PM PDT by Black_Shark
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To: Black_Shark

Nah. Sports is business. Denver got a chance to get one of the greatest quarterbacks of all-time and they took it. There was little interest in Tebow because most felt he couldn’t make them any money in a timely manner and weren’t interested in trying to “develop” him.

Tebow has the chance to be of Steve Young quality, but he’ll need another 4 or 5 years of seasoning to get there.


14 posted on 03/22/2012 2:30:29 PM PDT by magritte (Gladys Knight: Mormon Siren?)
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To: Black_Shark

College record means nothing, he’s in the pros now.

His 0-line isn’t that bad.

Nobody expects him to be a superstar out of the pocket actually the primary criticism of him is how horrible he is IN the pocket completely unable to master basic timing passes.

Very intelligently missing your receiver by 5 yards is still missing your receiver by 5 yards and when all that work ethic doesn’t get the ball any closer to your receivers it really didn’t work. Nobody hates him at all, much less for his faith. They simply point out the plainly obvious fact that he’s not a very good QB. He a nice guy, the problem is there’s a bunch of people out there that think just because he prays must mean he’s great at everything and all criticism is evil, meanwhile out here in reality he’s not great and he faces the same criticism every other QB that can’t hit open receivers gets.


15 posted on 03/22/2012 2:31:29 PM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: Black_Shark

That Manning to Denver deal sure stirred up a lot of ensuing hornets nests in its wake and not just related only to Tim Tebow.


16 posted on 03/22/2012 2:35:04 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or tyranny)
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To: Black_Shark

47.3: his completion percentage that matters now.


17 posted on 03/22/2012 2:36:24 PM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: discostu

While Tebow did miss his receivers, I also watched his receivers drop 4-5 catchable passes a game. I would like to know what his completion percentage would be if those drops were factored out.

Btw, I like Tebow because of his MORALS. I could care less that he is a Christian but it’s refreshing to see a young man who doesn’t A)shoot himself in the leg, B)Have 40 different kids by 40 different women, C) Can talk in a way that I can actually understand, D) Works hard and doesn’t complain, E) Hasn’t murdered or raped anyone... the list goes on and on. The NFL, instead of celebrating these virtues, celebrates players such as RAY LEWIS.

Again, I could care less about his faith.


18 posted on 03/22/2012 2:36:58 PM PDT by Black_Shark
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To: Black_Shark
I may be misreading your comments, but it is delusional to suggest that Elway traded Tebow to the Jets over the Bucs because of some pathological need boost his own ego. Tebow was even asked if he had a preference of playing in TB or NYC. It may not have been his final call but at the very least the Broncs went through the motions of soliciting Tebow's input.

It is delusional to suggest that Tebow was traded because of his public displays of faith.

These are football decisions. They may be bad decisions. But they are business decisions. That's all.

19 posted on 03/22/2012 2:38:42 PM PDT by GSWarrior (Click HERE to read entire tagline.)
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To: discostu

Give him a decent O-line and decent receivers and if he still puts up similar numbers I will completely agree with you. Until then, his college numbers matter more.


20 posted on 03/22/2012 2:39:01 PM PDT by Black_Shark
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To: Black_Shark
They seem to completely forget that Tebow won 2 National titles in College and that his O-Line was non-existent.

Did well without an offensive line? It sounds as if he would be a good fit with the Cardinals.

21 posted on 03/22/2012 2:41:04 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler
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To: Black_Shark

BTW, I am a huge Bronco fan and wish that Denver would have kept Tebow. I am skeptical that Manning is going to transform Denver into instant contenders.


22 posted on 03/22/2012 2:42:11 PM PDT by GSWarrior (Click HERE to read entire tagline.)
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an o-line that couldn’t block a butterfly

Yep. Definitely Cardinal material. Except that the Cards do have a couple receivers.

23 posted on 03/22/2012 2:43:01 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler
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To: GSWarrior

Let me clarify: I did not just randomly make up that statement. It was in an article about the St. Louis Rams trading for Tebow on ESPN and was listed as one of the primary reasons why Elway was getting rid of Tebow. Don’t believe me? Go look it up on ESPN and as I said, it is the prevailing RUMOR, not fact.

“It is delusional to suggest that Tebow was traded because of his public displays of faith. These are football decisions. They may be bad decisions. But they are business decisions. That’s all.” Rush Limbaugh owning the Rams ring any bells? The NFL is more than capable of discriminating against people who’s outspoken beliefs are radically different from their own. However, I agree that Tebow was not directly traded because of his faith but I damn sure believe that Tebow was traded because Elway loathes the guy.


24 posted on 03/22/2012 2:43:52 PM PDT by Black_Shark
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To: Black_Shark

The receivers blowing 4 or 5 catchable balls a game still leaves him with a dozen incompletions a game and it would barely tick his percentage over 50%.

As a person he’s great. But he didn’t chose a profession where he gets paid for morals, he picked a profession where he gets paid to complete passes. He doesn’t do that very well, which gets him criticized. As a person Ray Lewis is a POS, but much like Tim he didn’t pick a profession where he gets paid for morals. Lewiss picked a profession where he gets paid to sack QBs, knock down passes, and tackle ball carriers, all of which he does very well; which gets him praised. The NFL is just like the rest of the world, you get praised for doing your job, my boss doesn’t care if I’m moral, my boss cares if I find bugs and prevent us from shipping bad software. Your boss is probably similar.


25 posted on 03/22/2012 2:44:59 PM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: ican'tbelieveit

From the article you linked:

Evidently, the Jaguars’ new owner, Shad Kahn, was interested but his football people were not, including general manager Gene Smith, who drafted Gabbert. Smith wasn’t ready to give up on Gabbert after one year and had the same reservations about Tebow that other executives do

Read more: http://www.850koa.com/pages/krieger.html#ixzz1pstcAjXh


26 posted on 03/22/2012 2:45:27 PM PDT by free me (heartless)
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To: Black_Shark

When on a 3 step drop you miss an open receiver by 5 yards that’s not the o-line or the receivers, that’s the QB. The minute he got drafted his college number meant nothing, he’s now a PROFESSIONAL football player and gets paid to put up numbers in the NFL. Again just like normal world professions, college don’t mean a thing once you’re a pro.


27 posted on 03/22/2012 2:47:42 PM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: free me
including general manager Gene Smith, who drafted Gabbert. Smith wasn’t ready to give up on Gabbert after one year and had the same reservations about Tebow that other executives do

Even if Gabbert is better than Tebow, who is going to put more butts in seats? Tebow would immediately add millions of dollars to the value of the Jags' franchise. Kahn should have overruled him.

28 posted on 03/22/2012 2:48:08 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Black_Shark

Just all a bunch of drama queen soap operas. Either play ball or shut up and stay home.


29 posted on 03/22/2012 2:48:46 PM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
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To: discostu

Hard to do your job when your given substandard tools dontcha think? As I have repeatedly stated, give the kid a good O-line and decent receivers and then look at his numbers. If he puts up similar numbers, I will drop all arguments and agree that he isn’t NFL material. Until then, we’re all just speculating.


30 posted on 03/22/2012 2:50:00 PM PDT by Black_Shark
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To: magritte

I think the main reason Tebow’s trade value was so low is that because of his unique skill set and style of play, a team would pretty much have to rebuild the entire offense around him. It is much harder to simply plug Tebow into an existing system as either a starter or a backup.

Plus, all the Tebowmania could be too much of a distraction with him as the backup. I applaud the Jets for having the courage to give him that role. The fact that they like to use the Wildcat and their new offensive coordinator used it more than anybody at Miami, makes it easier.

Tebow may not be a classic drop back QB, but IMHO, there is no way having a guy with his talent, toughness, leadership and character, can be anything but good for the team that has him. One way or another, he will always make his team better, whehter he is the starting QB, a change of pace guy in the Wildcat, or barely plays at all.

I am a very happy Jet fan. This is beccoming a very, good sports year for me. First Jeremy Lin with the Knicks, now Tebow to the Jets.


31 posted on 03/22/2012 2:50:00 PM PDT by Above My Pay Grade (.)
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To: Black_Shark

There seem to be different stories around about how the Jets plan to use Tebow. Yahoo sports has articles stating he will be used in various roles, but will also be the backup QB to Sanchez. Articles also say the Jets are trying to trade Stanton, and that he wants to be traded.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl


32 posted on 03/22/2012 2:52:20 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Black_Shark

Wow you really are delusional. None of the “facts” you quoted are correct and you clearly have NO football knowledge.

The most delusional thing though is your claim that “the NFL hates players with outspoken faith”.

Get a clue.


33 posted on 03/22/2012 2:52:36 PM PDT by free me (heartless)
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To: Black_Shark

Only a poor performer blames his tools. And again I’ll point out, when you miss open receivers on a 3 step drop is ALL on the QB. And really given his rushing numbers the idea that his o-line was terrible is frankly silly.


34 posted on 03/22/2012 2:54:14 PM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: discostu

Perfectly stated but I’m afraid the sycophants will pay it no heed.

They are a lost cause.


35 posted on 03/22/2012 2:56:44 PM PDT by free me (heartless)
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To: Black_Shark
Give him a decent O-line and decent receivers and if he still puts up similar numbers I will completely agree with you.

There were Bronco games last year when the protection for Tebow was terrible. If he hadn't been able to leave the pocket he'd have completed even fewer passes. Have always been a Manning fan and am not looking forward to seeing Peyton try to operate if the protection hasn't improved.

(And late in the season, Tebow still had better stats for the same number of games as Elway had his first year.)

36 posted on 03/22/2012 2:57:40 PM PDT by Will88
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To: free me

Time will tell. One of us will be eating our own words.


37 posted on 03/22/2012 2:58:32 PM PDT by Black_Shark
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"He received a $500,000 signing bonus, but he could have a hard time finding a new team because the backup jobs are filling up. "

Maybe Stanton should talk to the Broncos....their backup is now Adam Weber, who has never thrown a pass in the NFL, in fact, has never suited up for an NFL game. If Manning goes down, the Broncos will have a BIG disaster on their hands.

38 posted on 03/22/2012 2:59:21 PM PDT by cookcounty (Newt 2012: ---> Because he got it DONE.)
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His 0-line isn’t that bad.

The Patriots exposed the Broncos offensive line as non-existent when relegated to protecting the QB. A lot of people either never played football or quit after getting knocked on their keisters in pop warner. That's the only explanantion I can come up with when people insist Denver's offensive line could protect a pocket QB. Pretty good on rushing but passing? Simply awful.

39 posted on 03/22/2012 3:00:01 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Black_Shark
The guy can pass however it is very hard to pass accurately with A)receivers that would not even start on any other team and B) an o-line that couldn’t block a butterfly.

No kidding, I recall one game his receivers dropped 3 or 4 passes I could have caught. (30 yrs. ago)

40 posted on 03/22/2012 3:03:07 PM PDT by Vinnie
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To: dfwgator

Yes Khan could throw out the tarps if he had Tebow there. But his football people, the GM and Coach did not want Tebow.

I am a huge Broncos fan and a huge Tebow fan. He is a terrific guy and a great football player but a lousy QB.

I am ecstatic we have Manning now. I wish Tebow could have stayed on and been developed if possible but I am not at all sorry to see his cult like drones move on.


41 posted on 03/22/2012 3:03:24 PM PDT by free me (heartless)
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To: Black_Shark

No chance of me eating words on the last part though. The NFL and the Broncos are filled with outspoken religious people. That is a fact. Coaches and players and it’s been that way for a long time.


42 posted on 03/22/2012 3:07:24 PM PDT by free me (heartless)
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To: jwalsh07

You don’t need much o-line protection for a 3 step drop, and when Tebow tries those he misses. Could his o-line be better? Sure. Is that why his completion percentage is under 50? No.


43 posted on 03/22/2012 3:07:24 PM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: Black_Shark

When Manning trots out on the field for the first game in Orange and Blue, it will be a year and a half since he was in an NFL game. He’ll be 36 1/2 years old, perhaps vulnerable to reinjury with a so-so offensive line and looking back on a 5 1/2 year stretch in which he won exactly 2 (two) playoff games.

I kind of understand what Elway did, but it was not necessarily brilliant. I am not at all convinced Manning will be the quarterback he once was...... Time will tell.


44 posted on 03/22/2012 3:09:57 PM PDT by cookcounty (Newt 2012: ---> Because he got it DONE.)
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If Manning goes down, the Broncos will have a BIG disaster on their hands.

I've never been a Bronco fan but was one this year because of Tebow.

I kept drooling over the Broncos using Manning and Tebow in the same backfield running a wildcat formation. I think it could have been unstoppable.

Alas, not to be. My Bronco days are behind me. Last time I was a Jets fan was in Namath days.

45 posted on 03/22/2012 3:10:02 PM PDT by Vinnie
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To: Black_Shark

I just took a look at a Broncos discussion board.

Man is it heated over there!

There are two camps, and they are widely divided:
- Tebow fans who are very ticked off at Elway
- People who are glad to see the Tebow “circus” leave

They’re both wrong:
- The Broncos have under-average receivers and a weak offensive line. Elway needed a better QB to make up for their poor performance. And Elway gave Tebow the choice of JAX or Jets. It was strictly business.
- As a Viking fan, I found the Brett Farve circus to be one of the low points in the history of football. What is Brett doing in the off-season? will he choose to re-sign? And the ultimate embarassment: the “Farve-cam”. Yeah Broncos fans, enjoy your aging mid-life QB crisis and the embarassing soap opera that goes with it. You Bronco fans will soon find out what a real “circus” is.


46 posted on 03/22/2012 3:10:35 PM PDT by kidd
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To: Black_Shark

Just listened to a caller on the radio, didn’t like Tebow at all, so “relieved” that Tebow is gone. People fall out, it seems, either really liking him, or really disliking him.


47 posted on 03/22/2012 3:13:53 PM PDT by ican'tbelieveit (Washington,DC is FULL of people with Political Experience... How's that Working out for you??)
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To: Above My Pay Grade
I agree.

The NFL is a passing league now,,,,not sure what the are gonna do with so many collge teams developing QB's of the style of Tebow.

48 posted on 03/22/2012 3:14:41 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The Global Warming HOAX is about Global Governance)
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I’ve been a Jets fan since, well since they were the Titans. I sat on the 48-yard line, seven rows off the field when they beat Oakland in the 1968 AFC Championship game. Joe Namath NEVER played a game at Shea Stadium that I wasn’t sitting in the stands for.

I think acquisition of Tim Tebow is an absolute PLUS-PLUS for the Jets. In fact, there are NO legitimate negatives to this deal.

I can go on a long diatribe right now about the merits of this trade, the statistics, the facts, the hyperbole, etc., but I shan’t. Instead, I just want to ask the following question to my fellow Jets fans:

It’s third-and-one with two minutes left in a close game. Which quarterback would you trust to get you that one yard, Mark Sanchez or Tim Tebow?


49 posted on 03/22/2012 3:15:17 PM PDT by ObamaMustGo2012 (Obama Must Go In 2012)
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To: discostu

“The receivers blowing 4 or 5 catchable balls a game still leaves him with a dozen incompletions a game and it would barely tick his percentage over 50%.”

You are very bad at math. Tim Tebow has played in 23 regular season games as a pro. In those 23 games, he has completed 167 passes out of 353 attempts (47.3%). That is an average of 8 incompletions per game.

Now, if you consider 4-5 catchable passes dropped per game, and assume even half (2-3 per game) would’ve been caught by better receivers, then that would have resulted in another 46-58 passes caught, resulting in a completion percentage of 60-63%.


50 posted on 03/22/2012 3:17:33 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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