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Looking for another rifle
Vanity | 03/22/2012 | Peter from Rutland

Posted on 03/22/2012 8:55:06 PM PDT by Peter from Rutland

I'm looking for another rifle. I want this one for if the fecal matter hits the oscillating unit, you know basic target shooting at the club, *cough*. Should be high caliber but not ridiculous. I don't want to spend ridiculous dollars for something that looks great but is inferior. It must be semi-auto, not one shot. I can't think of a better place to ask for opinions. Makers, calibers and model suggestions welcome.


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1 posted on 03/22/2012 8:55:09 PM PDT by Peter from Rutland
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To: Peter from Rutland
Choice 1: Armalite AR-10 in .308 Win/7.62 NATO.

Choice 2: Springfield Armory M1A in .308 Win/7.62 NATO.

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2 posted on 03/22/2012 8:58:35 PM PDT by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: Peter from Rutland

Springfield M1A


3 posted on 03/22/2012 9:00:27 PM PDT by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: Peter from Rutland

If you can afford those, they are excellent options. I am kinda in the same boat. I already have a Colt AR-15 and a M1 Garand. I’m thinking about saving now for either the M1A Springfield or an AK-47. Leaning AK, but my combat veteran brother, who packed an M-14 in Vietnam is pushing the M1A.


4 posted on 03/22/2012 9:01:30 PM PDT by Crapgame (What should be taught in our schools? American Exceptionalism, not cultural Marxism...)
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To: Peter from Rutland

What rifles do you currently have?


5 posted on 03/22/2012 9:01:38 PM PDT by barmag25
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To: Peter from Rutland

Can’t go wrong with an SKS or AK rifle. Durable, easily cleanable, reliable, lots of ammo and parts available. Good round for close to medium range encounters, as you aren’t going to be a sniper.


6 posted on 03/22/2012 9:03:20 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Crapgame
By way of disclosure, I can't afford either of those guns and wish that I owned a copy of each. The closest thing I've got to an EBR (Evil Black Rifle) is a Winchester 94 lever-action .30-30.

Hey, it's better than throwing rocks.

7 posted on 03/22/2012 9:04:25 PM PDT by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: Peter from Rutland
Check out one of the FN FAL variants. I have a L1 A1 that I
built from parts that I love. It is accurate and reliable.
It is a bit heavy.
8 posted on 03/22/2012 9:07:57 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: Peter from Rutland

While reading this thread, the words of former U.S. Senator from Texas Phil Gramm crossed my mind.

I think it was at an NRA convention when he said,
“I have more guns than I need but not as many as I want.”


9 posted on 03/22/2012 9:09:28 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (I'm NOT smitten' with Mittens)
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To: Peter from Rutland

Look up K Var, they are importing VEPR and Saiga rifles chambered in Russian 7.62mm; NATO 7.62mm and 5.56mm. Based on AK 47 system, very rugged and reliable. Prices are low cost for its durable construction.


10 posted on 03/22/2012 9:09:47 PM PDT by Fee
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To: Peter from Rutland

Remington makes a 300 win mag that can be found most places for $350 to $400.


11 posted on 03/22/2012 9:11:43 PM PDT by barmag25
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To: Peter from Rutland

Don’t forget to “lose” it in a “boating accident.”


12 posted on 03/22/2012 9:11:54 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Peter from Rutland

Yes as others have said, get a standard caliber. I have had several Colt AR-15 H-Bars and I can’t think of much better rifle period. They have a 1-7 twist so will handle the heavy bullets in 5.56. They will also shoot the lighter bullets OK.

If I am in a situation where I need a semi-auto, and it could happen, I am in a bad way, probably not going to make it out.

Maybe not for you but I personally would get a bolt action in .308 or 30-06. Remington is hard to beat but there are plenty of others. I would insist on way better than average accuracy. If the gun will not shoot 1 moa or better, I would see if it could be improved. If not trade it and start all over.

There are also plenty of good scopes. For the money the Nikons are unbeatable. You will never go wrong with a Leupold.

Also everyone should have a Ruger 10-22. Not that it is any better than others but it is reliable and there are plenty of high capacity mags for it.


13 posted on 03/22/2012 9:12:14 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Peter from Rutland

The laws for your state are rather complicated. You would be better off asking a local dealer what you can buy. Either that or move to another state.


14 posted on 03/22/2012 9:12:14 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Peter from Rutland

AR-10 but it is expensive to shoot even though it’s superior.

AR-15 if you’re on a budget.


15 posted on 03/22/2012 9:12:47 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Peter from Rutland
If you have any tool skills, you can build an AR 15 in just about any reasonable caliber you desire. For around $700 you can order parts and build a very good working AR in 5.56 NAto. For another $150 you can build a 7.62 x 39 on the AR platform. The great thing about ARs is the ease of switching calibers by switching uppers and mags. And some calibers can use the sandard AR 5.56 mags bu at reduced ammo count (a thirty rd 5.56 will hold about eight 7.62 x 39 and feed reliably).

If you decide to build your won, think along lines of a 'pistol' upper which goes on a carbine lower. The 11.5 inch upper receivers work just fine with a pistol buffer, and if you decide to go further, you can turn it into an SBR for a $200 federal tax stamp app. All you'll need to do is register a lower receiver like you would buying an entire gun, then build on it what you want so long as you abide by the laws of SBR and pistol format for ARs.

And if you're looking for something that will shoot like a bullet hose without delicate maintenance, the AK and SKS flavors are inexpensive and hit hard and accurately inside 150 yards. They are heavy, however. I reccommend the AR platform and I build 11.5 piston kit pistols in 5.56. If the SHTF scenario arrives, the pistol weapons can be transformed into SBRs very easily with a stock and buffertube assemly.

16 posted on 03/22/2012 9:13:46 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Peter from Rutland

Can’t go wrong with virtually any AR type rifle, as long as it’s from one of the good manufacturers, or you could just build your own. Can’t go wrong with an AK47 either. FN-FALs are also good. I have some AR type rifles, but my semi-auto heavy hitter is a PTR-91(HK91 clone 7.62NATO/.308 made new in the US). Would just LOVE to get me a Barret .50!


17 posted on 03/22/2012 9:15:53 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Peter from Rutland

Your next rifle should be an unrifled .50 caliber barrel.

Sandia’s Self-Guided Bullet Prototype Can Hit Target A Mile Away
armedselfdefense.blogspot.com ^ | 02/01/2012

Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2012 1:10:09 PM by Sasparilla
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2841187/posts


18 posted on 03/22/2012 9:16:05 PM PDT by Kevmo (If you can define a man by the depravity of his enemies, Rick Santorum must be a noble soul indeed.)
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To: Oberon
Any new (and most used) 7.62 x 51 battle rifles are going to set you back a grand or more. As others here have suggested, you can still find good values in the AK variants, with plentiful ammo, and an ever increasing volume of aftermarket/custom accessories. That gets you a 7.62 x 39, which ballistically is not really all that different from your .30-30.

If you're willing to go down to 5.56 and have the time and willingness to shop around, you can purchase the receiver, upper and components and build a custom rifle from the ground up. If you want something out of the box, take a look at S&W's M&P-15. The base model is pretty decent value with an MSRP of $739.

19 posted on 03/22/2012 9:16:36 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: CrazyIvan
All the rifles mentioned are excellent. However before we can make a recommendation he must define range and accuracy that is needed. An SKS with a thirty round clip is deadly but its accuracy at longer ranges is lacking. At a 100 meters it will ruin you whole day.

A Remington 700 chambered for .270 or 30:06 will reach to 300 yards if you have a decent scope on it. 100 yards every time, 200 yards most of the time, 300 yards if you are good, have match ammo, and can read the wind correctly. After 300 yards it gets very damn iffy.

20 posted on 03/22/2012 9:17:35 PM PDT by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: Oberon
The closest thing I've got to an EBR (Evil Black Rifle) is a Winchester 94 lever-action .30-30.

The ballistics of the venerable 30-30 aren't much different than the 7.62x39. Great medium range round. Get an AK or SKS. Cheap, fun.

21 posted on 03/22/2012 9:17:56 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: Fee

Those are the best prices I have seen on VEPRs in years.


22 posted on 03/22/2012 9:18:37 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Peter from Rutland
I was thinking the same thing about a month ago. I've already got an AR-15, but wanted something higher caliber. I got a Mosin-Nagant a few months back and I really like it, but then I wanted something around the same caliber in a higher capacity semi-automatic. I did a bit of research and just purchased a Springfield M1A .308 earlier today.
23 posted on 03/22/2012 9:22:08 PM PDT by Teotwawki (To Him be the glory throughout all generations.)
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To: Peter from Rutland

M1A.


24 posted on 03/22/2012 9:23:32 PM PDT by meatloaf (Support House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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To: Peter from Rutland

.308/7.62x51 is one of the most popular calibers so in a shtf situation, you won’t be stuck with something you have trouble getting ammunition for. Pretty much every manufacturer makes rifles in this caliber but if you are looking for a good value (Relatively speaking) plus something that will last for a century and is easy to fix and maintain, find a Springfield M1A.


25 posted on 03/22/2012 9:23:43 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: umgud

I think I personally would choose a model 94 but did not mention it because he was asking about semi-autos. I would also have a Williams or Redfield receiver sight with the standard front one.

Model 94s are so easy to carry and in a fight you can shoot one then load one from loose cartridges in your pockets etc. That way you can always keep a full mag ready.

A model 92 in either .44 or .357 mag might be an even better choice.


26 posted on 03/22/2012 9:24:35 PM PDT by yarddog
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“It must be semi-auto, not one shot”

Your choice is not semi-auto or one shot. There are plenty of bolt action rifles with internal magazines. I’m in much the same shape you are and am leaning towards a Remington 700P in .308. I just don’t have the 2 grand to build a decent one just yet.


27 posted on 03/22/2012 9:25:50 PM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: CrazyIvan; Peter from Rutland

Ditto on the FAL. You could get a decent basic one for arond 800 bucks the last time I checked. Don’t wait! Prices are going up! I bought my M1A many years ago. The price has tripled in 20 years.


28 posted on 03/22/2012 9:27:34 PM PDT by wjcsux ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: yarddog

OP wanted something cheap, reasonable power and semi-auto. You’re right, the Mod 92, 94 does all but the semi-auto thing.


29 posted on 03/22/2012 9:29:37 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: Peter from Rutland

DPMS .308 semi auto


30 posted on 03/22/2012 9:30:49 PM PDT by gleneagle
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To: Peter from Rutland

Weapons choices are like opinions, they are personal.
Handle a variety, shoot them and choose.
You can do this at many good shooting ranges and gun clubs all over the country.
When the SHTF I would prefer the following.
308/7.62 for distance defense.
223/5.56 for close in defense.
12 gauge slugs or 00 buckshot for home defense.
45 pistol for room defense.
A good fighting knife, preferably double edged, for hand to hand.
God forbid I should ever need any of those.


31 posted on 03/22/2012 9:33:57 PM PDT by TayNinhCrusader10
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To: Peter from Rutland
For low dollars just get a Remington 770 or any of the other similar variants like the Savage Axis makes, etc in 308/762. $350 or so.
Savage Axis 308
32 posted on 03/22/2012 9:41:03 PM PDT by An American! (Proud To Be An American!)
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To: Peter from Rutland
Here's a helpful chart. :)
33 posted on 03/22/2012 9:41:17 PM PDT by 1066AD
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COPY & PASTE FROM MY POST ON THE SAME SUBJECT ON SUNDAY, JUNE 12, 2011 FOLLOWS. FIGURED IT WAS WORTH REPEATING.

Buy ammo. And, do it correctly.....I have a few friends who still don't get it, ie: when I ask, "how much ammo do you have on hand?" I get a few answers of : Got plenty, plus 14 guns in the closet. Have 3 or 4 boxes of 12 ga, a couple for my kids .410, couple of boxes each for my 6 rifles, and a bunch of partial boxes for all my hand guns. I tell them that's fine if they can stay in the house and shoot out the windows, B-U-T if they need to run outside and shoot from behind the car or garage, they may find themselves in the do-do. One can only carry a couple of long guns (of different calibers) and a couple of handguns while on the run, along with their ammo. You shoot up those 3 - 20 round boxes of .30/06, 4 boxes of 7mm, 3 boxes of .45 ACP and you no longer have 3 guns....just 3 clubs.

Designate one shotgun, one rifle and one handgun as your primary "social unrest" home defense weapons and load up on the ammo for them. Having 20 guns doesn't do you any good if all you have is a few rounds for each. Kinda hard to watch out the FRONT living room window where the armed looters are moving around and dig through the BACK bedroom closet for more ammo. ("I KNOW I have at least a half box of .270 somewhere from last deer season......where the hell is it ???").

If you can't afford lots of expensive high caliber ammo, get a few bricks of .22 ammo. 300 rounds flying out that window from your .22 rifle and pistol may not drop a 250 lb man, but a wound in the arm with a .22 will slow him down, take him off the attack and put HIM on defense. Plus, with a bucket of .22 ammo, your wife and kid can easily load one gun while you shot the other.

Don't forget magazines / clips. It's great that you have 1 EXTRA mag that came with your favorite deer rifle, B-U-T a total of 2 mags with only 5 rounds each isn't going to last long until you hear "click" and stop shooting to reload them. If you can't get oversize mags, get a sack full of the "regular" ones.

AND, as noted by another FREEPER after my post; Ensure you have slings on your long guns, so you will have at least one hand free when on the move. If you don't want to "mess up the looks" of your beautiful 375 H & H Magnum with swivels and sling, at least have some precut lengths of small size rope or strapping handy to use for an 'emergency' sling. You can always tie it around the stock and forearm (or barrel) and throw it over your shoulder. It doesn't have to be 'pretty', just a temporary jerry-rig that could save your life.

34 posted on 03/22/2012 9:42:50 PM PDT by jmax
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To: TayNinhCrusader10

good list. don’t forget the .22LR for small game.


35 posted on 03/22/2012 9:42:50 PM PDT by barmag25
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To: Fee

Good suggestion


36 posted on 03/22/2012 9:44:16 PM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: 1066AD

Thanks-saving for later


37 posted on 03/22/2012 9:48:36 PM PDT by GILTN1stborn
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To: Peter from Rutland

Here’s what every hunter and gun enthusiast should have in their arsenal:

1. .22 good for teaching — pump or lever action preferable
2. .22 good for having fun — MP5 clone works well for this
3. .2x caliber high powered that can be used for both varmints and deer if desired or if someone needs a loaner rifle/wants a lighter recoil rifle
4. M4 in .223 decked out
5. Short barreled M4 decked out (requires stamp)
6. AR in higher caliber
7. High .2x/ low .3x rifle (7mm, .270, .308, etc.)
8. Something classic (Win 94, etc.)


38 posted on 03/22/2012 9:49:17 PM PDT by 1L
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To: Peter from Rutland
Before you buy another rifle, how much ammo do you have?
I recommend Georgia Arms for Ammunition.
When the delivery truck (UPS) came with my ammo, He said "I got your Obama Kit. It's a 100 pounds. Can you handle it, or do you need some help?

I told him, "I got it no problem."
39 posted on 03/22/2012 9:59:14 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: Peter from Rutland

A high caliber is a good choice, but make sure you have a good 22LR in your collection.
The 22LR will be the most useful weapon of all. You can buy years worth of ammo now for a small investment. They are accurate, and It will bring down all small game, wild and domestic (there won’t be much big game to bring down after a few weeks). Though they are not the best choice for home defense, after the SHTF, the bad guys will have a hard time getting bullets for their guns in a short time, while you have thousands. Nuff said on that.
The report does not carry far, giving away your position, and all members of the family can use it. Oh, and you can still have your large bore defense weapons if it comes down to “them or you” situations.


40 posted on 03/22/2012 10:22:42 PM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: Peter from Rutland

Notice To All Gun Owners!!!! Tagging A Gun Owner’s Vehicle

http://lonestarwatchdog.blogspot.com/2012/03/notice-to-all-gun-owners-tagging-gun.html


41 posted on 03/22/2012 10:23:23 PM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: Peter from Rutland

Whatever you get, go to an Aplleseed clinic and learn how to shoot it. See my tagline.


42 posted on 03/22/2012 10:25:58 PM PDT by ebshumidors ( Marksmanship and YOUR heritage http://www.appleseedinfo.org)
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To: Peter from Rutland

Whatever you get, go to an Appleseed clinic and learn how to shoot it. See my tagline.


43 posted on 03/22/2012 10:26:15 PM PDT by ebshumidors ( Marksmanship and YOUR heritage http://www.appleseedinfo.org)
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To: Peter from Rutland

FAL in .308, which will also fire 7.62x51 NATO


44 posted on 03/22/2012 10:28:09 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Peter from Rutland

Read ‘Boston’s Gun Bible’ before you buy anything else.


45 posted on 03/22/2012 10:35:30 PM PDT by ebshumidors ( Marksmanship and YOUR heritage http://www.appleseedinfo.org)
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To: Peter from Rutland
If you can, try looking into the SKS. You can pick one up cheap. Make sure that they are Sov/Block made. Same for an AKS 47. They will get the job done in the short and medium range targets. I bought a SKS some years back and over the years have been modifying it with composite stock, rails,
scopes,etc. The gun handles well and tons of cheap ammo.
46 posted on 03/22/2012 10:54:22 PM PDT by baddog 219
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To: Whenifhow

supposedly an urban legend

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/01/frank-williams/the-truth-about-gun-store-car-tagging/


47 posted on 03/22/2012 11:25:18 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Peter from Rutland

Get an M1 Garand from the CMP. A practical cost effective classic.


48 posted on 03/22/2012 11:26:06 PM PDT by Bizhvywt
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To: Peter from Rutland
For the budget minded, the Doublestar Star 15 CAR 16" HBAR .223 is an affordable choice. It's a nice AR-15 knock off in semi-auto and I can attest to its accuracy. Bud's Gun Shop has them right now for $659.00.


49 posted on 03/22/2012 11:40:40 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (If my candidate doesn't win the nomination I'm going to kick my feet, cry like a baby, and stay home)
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To: Peter from Rutland

Springfield Armory M1A .308. I ran thousands of rounds of surplus from Argentina, So. Africa, Hungary, Russia and all kinds of ammo through it before I cleaned it.

Zero malfunctions and accurate. 1-1.5 @ 100yrds depending on how much I concentrated.

Luv it and my SHTF goto weapon.

Fast on target, easy to clean and if I ever ran out of ammo is so heavy I can easily KO an opponent with one swing.

Surplus ammo can be had for .40-50 cents per round and will easily reach out to touch someone @ 800-1000 yrds.

Favorite cordless long distance drill.


50 posted on 03/23/2012 12:09:00 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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