Skip to comments.Sarah Ann Dunham Sortoro (Every one save these images now)
Posted on 03/24/2012 5:13:20 PM PDT by Yosemitest
One thing that is documented is that Stanley took baby Barry to Seattle (where she had gone to high school) all by herself when he was just a month old (if he really was born in August 1961) - she attended UW but didn’t last long and went back to Hawaii. She never lived with BHO Sr.
I don’t believe the Africa/Kenya stuff has anything to do with our PINO, nor do I believe that BHO Sr. is the real baby daddy. What I do believe is that this is the Mother of all SCAMS against America and Barry & Michelle are having quite a hoot over it all (as well as Soros).
She looks just like the guy.
What the hell good are they if they’re out of focus and you can’t read them... kinda like UFO photographs...
Anybody ever notice how Dunham looks like Paul McCartney?
Interesting. Thanks for posting.
Yeah she looks like someone you really would not want to date even with beer glasses on!
Don't harsh my mellow. Don't crush my dreams. These far-reaching circumstantial allegations are indisputable proof that Obama was born in a mud hut somewhere in Kenya.
There's more going on in Southeast Asia than what you ever imagined.
Thanks for this thread.
try side by side. pain in the ass scrolling up down, up down, up down to try to match
There is absolutely nothing to stop a Congressman with a spine from demanding hearings.
Unfortunately, that would require a Congressman with a spine.
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The laws were different in 1961. If he was born overseas he would not be a US citizen because she was not old enough to pass on citizenship to him.
Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.
She did not live in the US for 5 years after the age of 14 before he was born ( she was 18 ). If he was born overseas, not only would he not have "natural born" citizenship, he would not have US citizenship.
Why is that?
We have some pictures of Barack Obama AFTER he was born, but, again, there don't seem to be any pictures of his mother during her nine months of pregnancy.
I don't know about others here, but I find the lack of even one picture of Obama's mother during the nine months of her pregnancy very odd.
The question of whether or not Stanley Ann Dunham was married or lawfully married to Barack Hussein Obama is very complicated because it is also very problematic in evidence and circumstances.
The problems begins with Stanley Ann Dunham purportedly becoming pregnant in early November 1960 at 17 years of age and shortly before her 18th birthday. The unmarried Stanley Ann Dunham allegedly names Barack Hussein Obama as the father of their forthcoming baby by sometime in December 1960. At this point in time Barack Hussein Obama has already been married to another woman in Kenya with whom he has produced children. Nonetheless, Barack Hussein Obama and Stanley Ann Dunham claimed to have been lawfully married in Wailuku, Maui, State of Hawaii, on February 2, 1961, by a person duly authorized to perform marriage ceremonies and ever since that date have been and are now husband and wife (divorce papers). Other sources have alleged the marriage ceremony had been performed as a Muslim marriage by a Muslim cleric. Based on the evidence of the official divorce documents, it appears as if the State of Hawaii acknowledged the existence of a lawful marriage which was to be terminated by an official divorce. This official evidence then prompts a number of corollary questions.
Why has no one been able to find the Hawaiian marriage license and Hawaiian marriage certificate for this marriage reported by the Hawaiian divorce court?
In later years the State of Hawaii required a bride who is 18 years of age to submit proof of age in the form of a birth certificate to be filed with the application for a marriage license. If this requirement was also in force in 1961, why has no birth certificate for Stanley Ann Dunham been found with an application for a marriage license?
Were no marriage license application, birth certificate, marriage license, or marriage certificate found because they never existed and the divorce court had been deceived into accepting fraudulent evidence of such a marriage ceremony?
There were some men in that era who found it expedient to use extraordinary measures to placate girlfriends anxious to be properly married. They simply found an impostor to pretend to be a lawful clergyman performing a marriage ceremony. The duped girlfriend then went forward believing she was a lawfully married wife, when in reality she was not married at all. Barack Hussein Obama knew he would be committing the felony crime of bigamy under U.S. laws Did he perhaps resort to pretending to marry Stanley Ann Dunham and expect this faked marriage to help him obtain permanent residence in the United States, yet reserve a defense against a possible felony charge of bigamy in the event the multiple marriages, real and unreal, were discovered?
Did Stanley Ann Dunham knowingly enter into a sham marriage to assist Barack Hussein Obama Sr. fraudulently obtain permanent U.S. residence as the spouse of a U.S. citizen?
Did Barack Hussein Obama marry Stanley Ann Dunham in Kenya? The answer to that question is that it would have been very very unlikely, although not entirely impossible. Until recent years, Kenya maintained the colonial era legal prohibitions against inter-racial marriages between so-called Europeans and Africans in Kenya, whether or not they are native to Kenya. Marriages between an African race husband and a European race wife, although both born in Kenya, have been annulled as illegal under Kenyan law decades after 1961. So, it appears highly likely that Barack Hussein Obama Sr. was prohibited against entering into such marriages within Kenya.
A U.S. Consulate issued Certificate of American citizenship, if it had been issued in the name of Barack Hussein Obama Jr. raises a number of problems.
If Stanley Ann Dunham was married to Barack Hussein Obama on 2 February 1961 or was deceived into believing she was so married, did she travel on a U.S. Passport under her new married name, Mrs. Barack Hussein Obama, Stanley Ann Obama, or Stanley Ann Dunham Obama?
If she traveled on a U.S. Passport as the married wife of Barack Hussein Obama, who had British citizenship, then how is it possible for her baby, Barack Hussein Obama Jr., to have been issued a Certificate of American Citizenship by the U.S. Consulate in Kenya?
Stanley Ann Dunham was only 18 years of age in August 1961, which made her 1 year too young for U.S. And international law to confer statutory U.S. Citizenship upon the child. A married mother had to be at least 19 years of age to confer her U.S. Citizenship upon her child, otherwise the child’s citizenship is required to be the same as the father’s citizenship. Did Stanley Ann Dunham obtain a U.S. Passport that falsified her age to make her appear to be 19 years of age and fraudulently eligible to confer her U.S. Citizenship to her child by a statutory Certificate of American citizenship?
If a mother is unmarried and father’s citizenship undetermined, the citizenship of the foreign born child becomes the U.S. Citizenship of the mother. Did Stanley Ann Dunham travel to Kenya as an unmarried 18 year old female and apply for her child’s statutory Certificate of American Citizenship on the claim the father of the child and the father’s citizenship were unknown? If so, then how did she later persuade the Hawaiian divorce court she was married on 2 February 1961 at Maui, Hawaii and had remained married to that day in divorce court? Did she lie to the U.S. Passport Office, the U.S. Consulate, the Hawaiian Divorce Court, some of them, or all of them?
Was Barack Hussein Obama Jr. born with U.S. Citizenship, or was he never a lawful U.S. Citizen?
Was Barack Hussein Obama Jr. born with statutory U.S. Citizenship?
If so, how is it even possible for him to have born a Natural Born Citizen of the United States, or was he born a Natural Born Citizen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain as Sir Winston Churchill was also the son of a former U.S. Citizen mother? Should Sir Winston Churchill have run for election to the Office of the President of the United States after being voted out of office as the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain?
You are mistaken. The Certification of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States of America is proof of staturoty citizenship, meaning U.S. citizenship conferred by the act of a statute; whereas natural born citizenship requires no act of a statute to confer citizenship. In other words, any child whose citizenship is evidenced by such a certificate is by definition not a natural born citizen eligible to the Office of the President.
Could be his half-sister.....
I think Obama has Madelyn Dunham’s eyes and eyebrows.
thank you for taking the time to try it . My screen still has them virticle. Aloha
Now compare that 1972 signature to her signature on the 1961 birth certificate where the signature does not touch the line, especially see how the last half of the name "unham Obama" does not touch the line.
Not only does the signature not touch the line on the long form birth certificate, but the signature is perfectly aligned along the line , that is, the tiny space between the bottom of the letters and the line are almost perfectly the same from beginning to end.
A person who claimed to be a computer expert wrote on World Net Daily that such a perfect alignment on the long form birth certificate was almost impossible for a human to do when writing his signature.
The computer expert said that the space was only one pixel wide between the letters and the line, which, the expert claimed, was impossible for a human to do when writing his name to any document.
On the other hand, the computer expert said that setting up such a perfect alignment of letters in the signature was no problem for a computer to do.
So to me, the Stanley signature on the 1961 long form birth certificate looks like a forgery when I compare it to Stanley's signature on this 1972 document.
There's more going on in Southeast Asia than what you ever imagined.
Main thing that looks alike is their chins, and not all that much as her’s is pointier and longer, maybe the foreheads a little.
What would the LAME Stream Media have done if Bush had tried that?
I hope that everyone who knows that Obama's long form is a forgery votes against Obama come election day Nov. 2012.
Also, with each passing day, it looks more and more that Obama and his staff have no idea how to run the federal government, even if his ObamaCare is declared legal by the Supreme Court.
Did the images just disappear while I was reading the thread. I wanted to go back and check something in the first page and the images of the forms were wiped. Spooky.
And now they’re back.
I am missing something, please list the important piece of evidence here, and the conclusion it supports.
Side note: all of the documentation I have seen WRT Barack Hussein Obama, the POTUS has him labeled as “Barack Hussein Obama II,” NOT Jr. Even though under normal conventions, a baby boy named after his father would be a Jr.
The Sr. and Jr. were used for the convenience of indicating whether the father or son were being duscussed. Their names and titles vary along with the various documents. Obama has used many aliases in any case.
OK - i get that.
Can you tell me what the revelation is here? I follow this story, but I only see that this is a clue to finding on target documents, but by themselves just prove that there was a kenyan born baby that got US citizenship in the BHO II timeframe.
Real easy ~ go to google.com, and put quotes around her name.
One possible scenario could be that she did not amend her passport yet with her new name ( could have been a number of reasons for that ). After birth, she found out what the law was. So, instead of claiming that she was married, she told the consulate officer that she was unwed - there was no way to prove otherwise. Thus the COC was issued despite her being underage.
Likewise with the U.S. Passport records of Stanly Ann Dunham which are reported to have been destroyed, the trail of evidence has been stonewalled. The Immigration and Naturalization Service forms used by U.S. Customs for arriving passengers on microfilm at the National Archives is missing the one week of records for August 1961 in which it is suspected Stanly Ann Dunham returned to the United States with the newborn child. This is the only week of 1961 in which such records are missing, according to the Maricopa County Sheriff's Department and its Cold case Posse.
The INS record discovered in the out of the way library implies the effort of the Obama Administration and associates to scrub any evidence from government and other records has failed to be complete and effective in all respects.
Although the INS record does not name Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Hussein Obama, the probability that there could have been another U.S. citizen mother giving birth to her child in that region including Kenya in the month of August 1961 and seeking the assistance of a U.S. Consular officer to obtain a certificate of citizenship are vanishingly small. Such an event in 1961 is virtually unique. Therefore it appears this piece of evidence can be fairly regarded as a preponderance of evidence providing reasonable cause for a legal investigation of a foreign birthplace for Barack Hussein Obama. Rather than preclude the likelihood of Obama’s birth in Kenya, this piece of evidence strongly suggests the possibility or even a probability of Obama’s birth in Kenya despite all of the previous doubts of its even remote possibility. In other words, this evidence is a potential game changer in the investigation of Obama’s native origin/s and citizenship.
You’re right. I forgot to include that scenario, when I got sidetracked wondering why this 17 or 18 year old girl would have reason to have obtained a U.S. Passport before her ostensible marriage to Barack Hussein Obama on 2 February 1961. A U.S. Passport was not required to travel between the State of Washington and British Columbia, so why would such a young girl have obtained a U.S. Passport under her own maiden name before her alleged marriage? It would appear more likely she would have either obtained the U.S. Passport under her married name or under her maiden name after the date of the alleged marriage.
“Although the INS record does not name Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Hussein Obama, the probability that there could have been another U.S. citizen mother giving birth to her child in that region including Kenya in the month of August 1961 and seeking the assistance of a U.S. Consular officer to obtain a certificate of citizenship are vanishingly small.”-WX
OK I get it - thanks.
Which document shows an August birth? (I only saw 1961.)
BTW - I also concur on the scrubbing, but I wanted to know what was worth scrubbing here.
What we really need is the record/index of citizen born abroad approvals granted or documents issued, with names on it. Where were these issued? Where were/are the records kept?
Keeping this reply short, it is derived by the overlap of the multiple documents. One document has a timeframe running from July 1960 through June 1961, another from July 1961 through June 1962, and the missing week in the passenger arrivals microfilm in the first week of August 1961 only. Putting them all together, they imply the first week of August 1961, including 4 August 1961, as the only time period in which all of the records coincide as a window of opportunity.
“what was worth scrubbing here[....]
Some of the obvious records went missing, such as the U.S. Passport file for Stanley Ann Dunham in the timeframe relevant to August 1961. The passenger arrival records held on microfilm at the National Archives for the first week of august 1961 was reported missing by the Cold Case Possee at the 1 March 2012 press conference. As usual, there have been other records such as these reports discussed in the other Freeper article which appears to have been unanticipated and overlooked by anyone scrubbing the past records. By themselves, they are not necessarily damaging. In combination, however, they tend to isolate the one week in the beginning of August which just so happens to coincide with the alleged date of birth of Obama. Given the rarity of a mother with American citizenship giving birth in that region inclusive of Kenya in 1961, the coincidence and rarity are compelling circumstances practically demanding a convincing and evidentiary explanation. Absent these discovered records, we would not have the evidence so narrowly bracketing and focusing upon the same week as the alleged 4 august 1961 birth of Obama.
Be sure to check out comment #90 and check out all links on this thread.