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Warrantless: Police raid wrong house (76 yr old stroke victim)
Copyright 2012, AuburnPub.com, 25 Dill Street Auburn, NY ^ | Posted: Sunday, March 25, 2012 3:00 am | Justin Murphy

Posted on 03/25/2012 7:48:03 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines

There are few people less likely to sell drugs than Fred Skinner.

The 76-year-old lives alone on Mc Neeley Road in Victory, getting by with help from neighbors. Much of his home has been quietly abandoned because he can’t get up and down the stairs; his son, also named Fred Skinner, said his mind “goes in and out.”

Since suffering a stroke last July, he speaks haltingly, sleeps with an oxygen tank and has a pacemaker in his chest.

Skinner doesn’t hear as well as he used to, but there was no missing the pair of crashes he heard late in the morning on March 13.

The first was at the outside door to his front porch and the second was at the inner door from the porch to his living room. About eight uniformed police officers burst into his kitchen, finding him at the table with a plate of breakfast crumbs.

“I was just setting there at the table,” he said. “They busted in and said, ‘Don’t move,’ so I didn’t move. I didn’t know what to do — I didn’t know why the troopers were running through the house.”

The officers spread out into the basement and second floor then quickly returned. Someone was handcuffing Skinner’s arms behind his back when they looked through the mail on the table and saw his name.

“They said, ‘Is this your name?’” Skinner said. “I said, ‘Yes.’ Then they said, ‘Wrong house.’”

The officers left as quickly as they came, leaving his doorknob on the porch floor and the two doors broken open. The whole incident took five minutes.

Once they left, Skinner called Barbara Bailey, his neighbor across the street. Bailey saw five or six patrol cars at the house next door to Skinner’s and went out to them.

She asked who they were and what they were doing; they told her they were conducting a drug raid from Rochester, she said.

“I said, ‘What about Fred Skinner’s house?’” Bailey said. “And he shrugged like he wasn’t telling me a damn thing.”

No one was home at the other house, either -- Bailey said the man who lives there is often out of town. The officers left without an apology or information about how Skinner might get reimbursed for the damage.

The raid was conducted by the Rochester Police Department and the Finger Lakes Drug Task Force, which is led by the Auburn Police Department and, in this case, also involved the Cayuga County Sheriff’s Office.

No one involved would specify the purpose of the raid or say why the officers broke into the wrong house. No arrests have been made in the original drug case, which is still active.

The Rochester Police Department was the lead agency. Department spokesman Stephen Scott declined to comment but said there is an investigation into the incident.

“We haven’t determined there was a mistake yet; the investigation is still ongoing,” he said.


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1 posted on 03/25/2012 7:48:08 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

If LEO’s lost their job and had to pay restitution for these “mistakes”, they would do their homework and make fewer wrong entries.


2 posted on 03/25/2012 7:53:27 AM PDT by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

“We haven’t determined there was a mistake yet; the investigation is still ongoing,” he said.


Well I have! Go fix the old man’s door FFS. Darn good thing the old guy didn’t have a dog.


3 posted on 03/25/2012 7:54:14 AM PDT by cableguymn (Good thing I am a conservative. Otherwise I would have to support Mittens like Republicans do.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

We're from the government, and we're here to help you.

4 posted on 03/25/2012 7:56:14 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

How hard would it be for the entire force that made the entry come back and apologize and make the person whole? Not much.


5 posted on 03/25/2012 7:57:32 AM PDT by TwoSwords
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Please tell me again how no knock warrantless raids are Constitutional?

Did we learn anything from Prohibition???

Yes we did. Prohibition apparently taught us how to create a more efficient Police state.

They can do anything they want to. Exactly what the Founding Fathers had in mind?

6 posted on 03/25/2012 7:57:51 AM PDT by GBA (America has been infected. Be the cure!)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

The cops are reservists who learned this schtick from Iraq & Afghanistan.

Service is noble —I am a patriot.

BUT SOMETHING IS WRONG, and it’s NOT only the “War on Drugs”, although that is most of it.

We train them to be Door Kickers, then whisk them home, and express amazement when they just KEEP DOING IT.

SOMETHING IS VERY WRONG.


7 posted on 03/25/2012 7:58:13 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: Travis McGee

Another one.


8 posted on 03/25/2012 7:58:44 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

I have three simple fixes for this nation-wide problem:

1. A police department posts a $500k bond on each single raid. If they screw up and go to the wrong residence....they lose the bond. Within seven days...it must be paid to the innocent folks affected. Once a police force has to add in the costs of a raid...and that the city or county will only allow one screw-up a year in most cases....then every raid after this one comes with excessive questions about the necessity.

2. The judge who signs raid paperwork? He has to accompany the officers to the location. He is held personally responsible for misbehavior, shooting of pets, and damaged property. Voters who see some idiot freely signing raid paperwork....will fire the guy in the next election.

3. Reduce SWAT training, cost and weapons on every police force. It’s become a joke across the entire nation. When you have a town of 30k residents and the cops have $100k a year for costs....it’s a total waste.


9 posted on 03/25/2012 8:01:10 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

If we designate a Judge to sign-off on such searches, then he should have to take out an INSURANCE POLICY on failed raids:

He’d exercise greater caution in authorizing them, and if the team blew it, then his rates would go up.

It should be a, “Pay as you Pollute” market mechanism: currently the tax-payers have to foot the bill for failed raids, something that assures they’ll continue.


10 posted on 03/25/2012 8:01:31 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: PhiloBedo

How about jail time. Restitution and never work again as a police officer. Additionally no shielding from civil judgments. Put these officers families in the poor house. That way Mrs. Police officer can panhandle for grocery money. Live on the “bad side of town” and be hassled by the cops. Sounds like a good deterrent. Make cops personally criminally and civil liable.

Problem. Solved.


11 posted on 03/25/2012 8:03:18 AM PDT by DariusBane (People are like sheep and have two speeds: grazing and stampede)
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To: pepsionice

GREAT MINDS..!


12 posted on 03/25/2012 8:04:15 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: Behind Liberal Lines; SmithL; Eyes Unclouded; Rodney King; Redcitizen; ellery; dcwusmc; ...
"Whoops... Sorry, citizen. We thought you were someone else" PING

Click the link to be added to the "Whoops. Sorry, citizen. We thought you were someone else" PING list.

13 posted on 03/25/2012 8:04:34 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Linky no worky.

Here is one with pic:

“Warrantless”

http://auburnpub.com/news/local/warrantless/article_c0b6e83e-7621-11e1-a499-0019bb2963f4.html


14 posted on 03/25/2012 8:04:34 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

I just don’t get how these kinds of task forces hit the wrong house so often. It would be one thing if they were operating in a foreign country, where they might not be familiar with the addresses, language, etc. But getting the wrong place in your own town? Especially when it is (apparently) a small burg like this one?


15 posted on 03/25/2012 8:05:06 AM PDT by DemforBush (A Repo man is *always* intense!)
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To: pepsionice

By best friend is a sergeant in a medium sized PD. He constantly joked about their SWAT and what a joke they are. They have a hero complex.


16 posted on 03/25/2012 8:09:03 AM PDT by NELSON111
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To: pepsionice
A police department posts a $500k bond on each single raid

Funds that are payable from their pension fund.

17 posted on 03/25/2012 8:09:28 AM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: Texas Fossil
Linky no worky.

Works fine for me. Weird.

18 posted on 03/25/2012 8:09:38 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Did he have a dog? Did they shoot it?


19 posted on 03/25/2012 8:11:01 AM PDT by SkyDancer (Talent Without Ambition Is Sad - Ambition Without Talent Is Worse)
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To: Hieronymus; VampireStateNY; governsleastgovernsbest; gaspar; NativeNewYorker; drjimmy; Atticus; ...

Upstate NY ping


20 posted on 03/25/2012 8:12:39 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

I am actually kind of amazed that some honest person who had been horribly wronged, maybe with injury or death, in such a raid, or more likely a drug criminal, has not set up a “booby trap” house designed to kill a large number of raiding police at once.


21 posted on 03/25/2012 8:13:57 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." -- Hillary Clinton)
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To: PhiloBedo

Eventually someone is going to shoot back. And the blood will be on these Jack Booted Thugs.

And nothing will happen to them. NOTHING.


22 posted on 03/25/2012 8:16:14 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

This is another good reason I moved out of the Rochester hell hole.

I will never live there again.


23 posted on 03/25/2012 8:16:51 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
good thing he didn't have a dog...
24 posted on 03/25/2012 8:17:49 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

I thought I was touched.


25 posted on 03/25/2012 8:20:16 AM PDT by TwoSwords
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To: gaijin

The problem is not the training these cops get when and if they are in the military.

The problem is the military training, tools, and tactics all cops receive.


26 posted on 03/25/2012 8:22:30 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: pepsionice

Too logical, constitutional and makes too much sense = never happen.


27 posted on 03/25/2012 8:23:56 AM PDT by carriage_hill (I'll "vote for an orange juice can", over Barry 0bummer and another 4yrs of his Regime From Hell!)
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To: pepsionice
3. Reduce SWAT training, cost and weapons on every police force. It’s become a joke across the entire nation. When you have a town of 30k residents and the cops have $100k a year for costs....it’s a total waste.

You fail to realize that the reason for The War on Drugs these days IS the militarization of our local police forces. There has been preparation underway for a very long time for something that will involve the LEOs and their high tech weaponry and armor. And it ain't about drugs.

28 posted on 03/25/2012 8:24:13 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (I will not comply. I will NEVER submit.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

I can’t help but think that this is going to happen more frequently than we would like. Since they put that socialist scum in the western Kremlin we have seen things we all thought would never happen here. I think Nov - January will be most enlightening.

Suddenly wiretapping possible terrorists seems like small change.


29 posted on 03/25/2012 8:25:28 AM PDT by mardi59
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Might have been too many trying to read feed.

It never timed out, but tried to download the html for over a minute.

The SWAT team explosion is insanity. The militarisation of the police in the U.S. is an invitation for disaster.


30 posted on 03/25/2012 8:26:29 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Thankfully Mr. Skinner was not practicing his putting when the dymanic entry was executed....holding a long shinny object is almost a certain death sentence with these JBT’s


31 posted on 03/25/2012 8:26:29 AM PDT by Popman (America is squandering its wealth on riotous living, war, and welfare.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

In America’s early days, certain people would be tarred, feathered and strapped (naked) to a wooden fence rail ... before being ceremoniously carried out of town.


32 posted on 03/25/2012 8:27:37 AM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

In my neck of the woods...we are required to stake out the house...get a written description of the residence...verify everything...take it to supervisor...before even applying for a search warrant...been in law enforcement for 20 years...never had a wrong residence hit....


33 posted on 03/25/2012 8:27:47 AM PDT by bike800
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To: pepsionice

Good ideas but they come to nothing on an internet forum. Contact the town’s newspaper, their city hall, their representatives. Maybe have a look at your own community and ask some questions, then make suggestions.
Besides, you don’t know how much longer you’ll have internet access.


34 posted on 03/25/2012 8:32:04 AM PDT by Lady Lucky (Rallies for religious freedom today - probably one near you.)
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The officers left without an apology or information about how Skinner might get reimbursed for the damage.



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35 posted on 03/25/2012 8:32:17 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: GBA

In 1955 there was no “War on Drugs(TM)”, and this kind of **** never happened. Nobody should need to be Albert Einstein to figure that one out.


36 posted on 03/25/2012 8:34:49 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Wouldn’t be surprised to find that the cops used google maps street scene to find the address.

We all know how reliable that is...


37 posted on 03/25/2012 8:38:52 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
A bunch of adult ADHD heavily armed, poorly trained ninja assassin wannabes use highly suspect tips from criminal "confidential informants" to assault private homes at odd hours:

What could possibly go wrong?

And by the way, between this kind of crap and Katherine Sebelius' daily tyrannies, the Bill of Rights has ceased to function. The Fourth Amendment states clearly:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

38 posted on 03/25/2012 8:41:23 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember
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To: TwoSwords

How hard would it be for the entire force that made the entry come back and apologize and make the person whole?


You kidding? They wouldn’t have given a rats ass if they had scared the guy to death. They probably laughed and joked about the whole thing over some beers later on.


39 posted on 03/25/2012 8:41:36 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Friggin Retarded Asshats. WTF???? They can’t weed Engrish.

They are such tough thugs they have no feelings?

Completely insensitive to what they effect of their actions might have on a completely innocent and elderly man?

Wouldn’t surprise if several of them drown themselves in alcohol and abuse drugs to assuage their guilt for being men of slight integrity and embarrassed for having such small zibs ...

I’m guessing the old man didn’t have a dog for companionship.

Luckily.


40 posted on 03/25/2012 8:43:05 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: bike800
"been in law enforcement for 20 years"

How many of your corrupt brothers did you turn in?


41 posted on 03/25/2012 8:43:56 AM PDT by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Friggin Retarded Asshats. WTF???? They can’t weed Engrish.

They are such tough thugs they have no feelings?

Completely insensitive to what they effect of their actions might have on a completely innocent and elderly man?

Wouldn’t surprise if several of them drown themselves in alcohol and abuse drugs to assuage their guilt for being men of slight integrity and embarrassed for having such small zibs ...

I’m guessing the old man didn’t have a dog for companionship.

Luckily.


42 posted on 03/25/2012 8:43:56 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: chessplayer

Maybe it’s just me. I try to make things right w my customers. It’s often difficult, but I always try.
These slugs embarass me.


43 posted on 03/25/2012 8:46:58 AM PDT by TwoSwords
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Let me guess, the cops were acting on a tip from a "informant"?

"I didn’t know why the troopers were running through the house."

It appears that they didn't know why they were running through the house either.

Storm troopers is more like it.

44 posted on 03/25/2012 8:48:06 AM PDT by csvset
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To: GBA
Nothing in the story says this was a "warrantless" raid. Some headline writer wrote that in. It certainly was an incompetent and bungled exercise; but the PD has apologized and promised to pay for repairs.
45 posted on 03/25/2012 8:49:37 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: pepsionice

I’m wondering...if you don’t have the money to repair the damage done to your house in one of these “mistaken” police raids, what happens? If your door is smashed in and you don’t have the money to repair it immediately are you just vulnerable to criminals?

You can apply to the police department for damages and eventually, IF they admit what they did and pay damages, you can repair the door, but in the meantime, your door is open to any and all criminals passing by.


46 posted on 03/25/2012 8:52:14 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: bike800; Behind Liberal Lines
In my neck of the woods...we are required to stake out the house...get a written description of the residence...verify everything...take it to supervisor...before even applying for a search warrant...been in law enforcement for 20 years...never had a wrong residence hit....

IOW, it ain't rocket science. The problem here is the failure to do standard police work. This means that if this kind of thing happens at all, it IS a management problem. That makes it political.

Making it cost them buckets of money is the only thing that will work.

Do you have a written department procedure to this effect? If we copied it and got some NGO (such as the SAF) to send it to police departments around the country and monitor the consequences, they will have been notified of a "standard of procedure." Failure to perform accordingly would then cost them dearly in court. The SAF (or its equivalent) might then find a nice income in recovered court costs, just as leftist NGOs do when they sue over environmental crap.

47 posted on 03/25/2012 8:54:59 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There is no such thing as "renewable" energy.)
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To: bamahead
With an oink oink here and an oink oink there.

48 posted on 03/25/2012 8:55:27 AM PDT by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

there is a guy, conservative, who has a morning talk show up in Rochester who will shine a light on this disgraceful episode. Maybe the so called peoples elected Representatives to office can put severe restraints on these “peace officers” who dress and act like military assault teams.
Since 911 America has become a police state. The citizens are not the enemy.


49 posted on 03/25/2012 8:55:58 AM PDT by reefdiver ("Let His day's be few And another takes His office")
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To: hinckley buzzard
"Nothing in the story says this was a "warrantless" raid."

The police didn't have a warrant to enter the house they raided. Ergo, "warrantless raid."

50 posted on 03/25/2012 8:58:35 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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